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Author:  So Haleza Grise [ Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Dhekhnami questions

I thought I would start a new thread for these. I wasn't sure if there was a better place for them to go.

It's not spelled out explicitly, but based on the examples I assume that plurality is compulsory in Dhekhnami (and Munkhashi), so a phrase like techêdhnadzu kash is the only acceptable form (just like ďin icëlani in Verdurian) and a phrase like **chêdhnadzu kash would be incorrect.

This makes me think that example sentence: Ghimbaban gebubakh techêdhnadzu the icëlan may have escaped has some errors. Either the noun should be singular, like the gloss, or the verbs should be plural. I'm not sure what the plural forms are: gepubakhu for the second verb maybe (I think the voicing on the p is wrong?). But there might be an error in the lexicon for “escape”: çimpits is what is listed for “escape” but there are two example sentences that use a verb for “escape” and it's not that verb in either of them. Maybe it got confused with çimpan “throw away” but there is still a voiced consonant in there that I can't work out. Out of date sound change maybe? As a side issue, did the verbal plural in Dhekhnami evolve from the dual, or the plural, or both?

I think din = dzan shideh is a typo for dzan shidhe.

In the first example text, demadôf penath dhnala roromat bigo is inconsistent with the gloss. I think it should be demathôf penath dhnala Gelat wiwigo. I'm not sure if it's an inclusive or exclusive “we” however, or if just “me” can stand in for “we” in that context.

Author:  So Haleza Grise [ Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dhekhnami questions

Po zombeth ghyiruth pwashino?

Author:  zompist [ Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dhekhnami questions


Author:  TSSL [ Mon Nov 07, 2016 2:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dhekhnami questions

What are the Dhekhnami sound changes? I couldn't find them on the language page, and I do like being able to follow how a descendant emerges from the parent language.

Author:  zompist [ Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dhekhnami questions

Here is the original sc file. Sorry about the weird characters; this was pre-Unicode. The rewrite rules tell what they mean.

C=ptçkf†ßxbdjgv∂Ωmnñlryszwc≈3¬
G=bdjgv∂Ωmnñ≈
P=pbmfv
V=aeiouâêô
I=iuy
E=ieê
S=ptçkbdjgnm
Z=bdjgbdjgnm
W=f†ßxv∂Ω≈nm
N=nm
T=tdkg
D=ßΩx≈
A=âêeu
Â=êeio
* rewrite rules
ch/ç/_
th/†/_
dh/∂/_
lh/¬/_
sh/ß/_
zh/Ω/_
kh/x/_
ts/c/_
* the meat
t/tç/_r
tl/tç/#_
d/dΩ/_r
S/Z/V_r
S/Z/V_l
S/Z/#_w
l/w/_C
l/w/_#
p/w/ß_
r/w/P_
r/b/m_
r/y/C_
m/w/VS_
m/b/_n
d/r/V_V
S/W/V_S
S/W/V_#
T/D/_I
S/Z/V_V
t/dâ/#_N
k/gâ/#_N
p/bâ/#_N
n/nâ/#_T
x/3/E_
x/3/_E
¬/tl/#_
¬/tl/V_V
¬/t/_#
¬/t/_C
¬/l/_
S/Z/_G
dz/z/#_
j/dz/#_
c/s/#_
ç/c/#_
t//_ç
tß/ç/#_
dß/j/#_
dΩ/j/#_
* vowel raising before nasals
A/Â/_N
u/o/_r
ô/o/_w
ê/o/_w
â/a/_
u/o/_kC
u/o/_gC
a/ô/_gC
a/ô/_kC
u/o/w_
uw/o/_C
ê/e/_#
ô/o/_#
e/ê/_CC
o/ô/_CC
ê/e/_CV
ô/o/_CV
r/y/_C
* spelling rules
c/ts/_
ç/ch/_
†/th/_
∂/dh/_
x/kh/_
ß/sh/_
Ω/zh/_
≈/gh/_
3/ç/_

Author:  BGMan [ Mon May 22, 2017 8:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dhekhnami questions


Author:  zompist [ Tue May 23, 2017 10:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dhekhnami questions

The borrowings date back to when the Carhinnians were in control.

It's likely that they were high-status pronouns at the time. In a hierarchical system, pronouns can demote over time and new ones need to be innovated for the higher slots.

Author:  So Haleza Grise [ Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dhekhnami questions

How are reflexives handled in Dhekhnami (or Munkhâshi)? If they are explained in the grammars I must have missed them.

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