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Author:  zompist [ Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:00 pm ]
Post subject:  New Almeopedia

I've basically redone the Almeopedia. You can find it here:

http://www.almeopedia.com/almeo.html

The problem with the Wiki version was speed. For a long time, it's been taking 40 seconds just to load a page. That made it almost impossible to consult, and extremely painful to modify.

I've been on a kick of using Javascript with large files (see and ), so I applied the same methods to the Almeopedia. It's lightning-fast... at least on my computer. This will make it a lot easier to work with and expand.

It's not quite as fast online, but that's because of cacheing. As soon as your browser has cached the big files, a page should load in less than a second.

The "How do I use this" link on the front page should tell you all you need to know to explore.

The conversion involved loading every damn page— 800 pages— and copying over the text. I took the opportunity to update the text, add maps, and add a portal to every page. But I haven't yet tried out every page, and there are undoubtedly typos, missing pictures, etc. There is a special category (:2017) for pages that are new or largely rewritten.

Unfortunately, all this means the thing is no longer editable by everyone. I'm sorry about that. I still invite you to e-mail me corrections or new articles, but I realize that doing it on-page was very convenient. But for me, it was more important to make the thing usable, and to enable me to make quick edits. Plus, since it's now my code, I can do programming things like facilitate the historical atlases, improve the choose-your-own-adventure, and implement a SFW button. Plus I could customize the Wiki-style markup to avoid a lot of busywork.

Another regrettable loss is the talk pages. I don't think I have the patience to load the 800 pages again to check for those.

As I was converting files, I realized that I could solve another impending problem: the Skouras Atlas needed to be converted to something besides Flash, which is deprecated these days. So, the entire Historical Atlas of Skouras now lives in the Almeopedia (like the Arcél one).

I've left the old version up for now, but I'll probably remove it in a few months to save disk space.

If you have pages on the old Almeopedia, make sure you get the info. The only thing I remember running into is a page on Qedik, which if still valid should be moved to the Akana wiki.

I've tested the page extensively in Safari and a bit in Firefox. I'll check IE tonight, now that it's up. Browsers being what they are, there is undoubtedly some grotesque Javascript incompatibility I'm not aware of yet.

Going forward, my aim is that every page have added value over what's already on zompist.com. In a very few cases, that means I've removed pages that duplicate VV pages, or which really didn't say anything useful.

Author:  hwhatting [ Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Almeopedia

Looks good! Although I miss the ability to edit.

Some things I noted:
- On the Bod'neay page there are lots of brackets that need to be cleaned.
- Curym: in "inhabited byhunter-gatherers", a space is missing
- Eši: Is the sentence near the top of the article starting with "There, she was associated ..." in italics intentionally? "COmo" with two capital letters. In the last sentece Vlerë isn't linked.
- Gallene: brackets / formatting
- Kaltenia: This sentence seems unfinished: "Their language family is Kalténian, which is spread"
- Koleva: "an epic poem by Teltailes" - that name is intentional, right? ;-) Third paragraph: "disguised as a body" -> "disguised as a boy"? 4th paragraph - "Teltailers".
- Oruseon: "He probably marks the tradition" -> "He probably marks the transition" ?
- Thermometer: space missing in the 3rd paragraph ("recentsuggestion")
- Vlerë: Last paragraph "bit not surprisingly" -> "but not surprisingly"?

For me, the SFW mode creates the "business" headlines, but does nothing with the pictures (I use IE 11).

Will there be a "changes / new articles" feature that lets you follow when new content is added?

Author:  zompist [ Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Almeopedia

Thank you, Hans-Werner! Should be corrected.

I added a "What's New" link to the front page.

Author:  So Haleza Grise [ Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Almeopedia

It looks like there is an error with the language box that means the words for "big" and "river" are identical in every language. E.g. in the Verdurian article, both are listed as selë. The "Sample wordlist" page appears like it doesn't have the box in it.

The map on the "multilingualism" page doesn't seem to work. The diagram of the script on the Tžuro language is also missing I think.

In the "Thermometer" article there is a missing space: "thusmaking"

Some of the "author" tags don't seem to have come across properly. I haven't checked every page for this, but here are a few that I've noticed:

Old Skourene
Old Verdurian
Proto-Eastern
Elkarîl
Ismaîn

Author:  zompist [ Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Almeopedia

Thank you! Should be fixed.

Author:  Mornche Geddick [ Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Almeopedia

Whenever I click on a link in the new Almeopedia I get this sort of thing:

There is no article yet for Xengiman.
There is no article yet for Almea.
There is no article yet for Magic.
There is no article yet for Ktuvoks.
There is no article yet for Clothing.
There is no article yet for Jippirasti.
There is no article yet for Diversions.
There is no article yet for Tourism.
There is no article yet for How do I use this thing?.

And for a change..

:People Topics found: 0

I respectfully submit that the new Almeopedia is not user-ready.

Author:  hwhatting [ Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Almeopedia


Author:  zompist [ Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Almeopedia

Mornche, what browser and OS are you using?

Author:  Frislander [ Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Almeopedia

The direct link to the Almeopedia from your main page still takes you to the old version: you have to go through the Virtual Verduria page in order to get to it.

Author:  Mornche Geddick [ Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:16 am ]
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Author:  So Haleza Grise [ Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Almeopedia

It does look like the "Sample Wordlist" page stil doesn't have the language box it had on the old version.

Author:  Mornche Geddick [ Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Almeopedia

So, is it script blocking, or do I blame Firefox?

Author:  zompist [ Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Almeopedia

It works fine on Firefox on my Mac. I will have to download Firefox on the PC to see if there's any difference.

There should be an error console on Firefox— on my machine it's Tools > Web Developer > Debugger. If it gives you a specific error message, that would be helpful.

I don't know how NoScript works, but the page works via Javascript, and it loads server .txt files. My guess is that you have scripts turned on (otherwise you wouldn't be getting a "page not found" thing at all, since that's generated by Javascript), but the add-on is disabling reading other files. Does my numbers pages work for you?

Author:  zompist [ Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Almeopedia


Author:  hwhatting [ Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Almeopedia


Author:  Mornche Geddick [ Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Almeopedia


Author:  Aldwinkle [ Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Almeopedia

Not enough Rifter articles.

Author:  Mornche Geddick [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Almeopedia

Can there ever be enough rifter articles?

Author:  vec [ Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Almeopedia

Overall, great. I admire your holding on to the HTML4 look—the Metaverse remains a bastion of original web aesthetics that otherwise are almost completely gone.

That said, I hope you take the opportunity to make some of the pictures on here (especially maps) somewhat larger and perhaps wrap them in such a way that they scale properly on mobile, and if you could make the type-sizes go up on mobile, that would be awesome. Right now you have to zoom and slide to make out the text which makes reading a hassle.

Here's some good information about how to do this:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/doc ... t_meta_tag

Author:  zompist [ Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Almeopedia


Author:  So Haleza Grise [ Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Almeopedia

The "Diversions" and "Tourism" links on the front page seem not to work because I think they are pointing to articles rather than categories.

Author:  zompist [ Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Almeopedia

Thanks, SHG, should be fixed.

I increased the text size slightly all over. I'm not sure what's best for mobile— apparently the new hotness is "media queries", but I'm not comfortable with adding scripts I can't test. :P I did realize I can test on my iPad, and the bigger text looks nice there, but I realize that phones may be another beast entirely. If someone knows how to add some CSS to scale up text appropriately only for mobile, I'd love to get a snippet.

Author:  alynnidalar [ Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Almeopedia

Meh, maybe it's old-fashioned, but you could always just base it on screen width. (which also makes it convenient to test that it's working, because you just have to resize your browser window)

Author:  Mornche Geddick [ Mon Dec 25, 2017 6:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Almeopedia


Author:  Arkasas [ Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Almeopedia

Couple issues I've noticed:

- the pictures in the Arcél atlas do not work. Skouras is fine, though.
- indeed, you have quite a few maps and other pictures that aren't functional
- because the pronunciations were done in brackets, many now are links to "pages" named for the first syllable
- the link to the mothership leads you to almeopedia.com/www.zompist.com, which isn't particularly helpful.

I'd also hope that something can be done about images in general, particularly maps. Some are far too large (such as the map of Apoyin), while others are far too small to be of any use (for example, that nice new map of Téllinor you've snuck in there). I'm not sure what can be done about this in your framework. Perhaps some could be put on pages of their own?

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