Verians

[Shades Of Grey]

Can we expect anything more on the Verians? I find that non-mamallian aliens are intresting. I especially take niely to ampibious aliens. So I was just curious as to how much more.. if any we could see or learn about it. And also I was wondering if you were going to build on it.

[zompist]

Can we expect anything more on the Verians? I find that non-mamallian aliens are intresting. I especially take niely to ampibious aliens. So I was just curious as to how much more.. if any we could see or learn about it. And also I was wondering if you were going to build on it.

I wasn't planning on it... besides the pronoun stuff, it's not that interesting a language.

[Shades Of Grey]

I've seen worse

[Shades Of Grey]

I divine or royal kie
a single person the
multitude, group-mind thie
we including you khase
excluding you khath
objective-- hardly with me khe
you singular familiar se
singular sie
plural use
one a person die
several persons udie; due

third person pronouns:
singular: either sex: 1 le
2 lue
on land: 1 vse
2 vsue
in the sea: 1 ke
2 kue
physical sex: 1 to
2 tue
mental sex: 1 fe
2 fue
maternal sex: je
an object ve
an animal, alien, etc. de
plural including you lase
excluding you: 1 lie
2 luie
objects vie
animals, aliens, etc. alie

complex pronouns

I/We I and we thakh
You/We We isakh
Le/We We ilakh
You/They You isal
Le/They Le and they ilal

Quite a few of these would seem to overlap, but these would express some nuances. "We objective" khe would be used to dissociate oneself from the action, for instance. Use 'you plural' would be used to address multiple peopel; lase "(3p) plural: including you" would be used to refer to a group not being addressed as a whole, but which includes the listener.

The Verians were amphibious and had three sexes, thus the 3s pronouns for land and sea use and for different sexes. (Why no combinations of these, or any 3p pronouns, and why the maternal sex only gets one pronoun, I don't know.) The pairs marked 1 and 2 are obviative-- i.e. two referents of that category can be disambiguated with their own pronoun.

The complex pronouns had a meaning rooted in Verian psychology, I believe. Think of "I/We" as a special pronoun for a spiritual melding of myself and others. (Not the same as a group mind, which has its own self-referring pronoun.)

I think it has potential!!!

[gach]

Well like Zom himself said it's not so interesting. The system makes many distinguishions in person and number. But where are all the more interesting parts, psonouns do not stop just to personal pronouns. It would sure be interesting to give verbal meanings to pronouns and expesially to interrogative pronouns.

[Shades Of Grey]

Like I said it has promise.. thats all I was sasying.. I was just saying that it could become a good more intresting language. I was just wondering ifhe was going to do it or not. I am done bugging Zomp about this subject.