Help your conlang fluency (2)

[Ambrisio]

Proto-Ginösic: Nuuken Sänskritdrõm ngouldrõ ḳoldrõm dorpõn tostentrun tri; ngoulken prie baid ḳoltedrõ tosmiisro.
Estonian: Ma saan vahet näha Sanskrit keelel ja sinu loodud keelel; pole täpsustamise järele vajadust.
I can tell the difference between Sanskrit and your language, there is no need for you to specify the language.

(Also i want to know more about Saashvirmahaa grammar. Does it have all the cases and verbal inflections? For one thing, how do you count in Saashvirmahaa?)

[abaddamn]

I can tell the difference between Sanskrit and your language, there is no need for you to specify the language.

Tam sā! Āșānir na thanti dus samskritāmahem ryavagad bhūḑarusma vana
That's great! Most people can't unless they already know Sanskrit.

(Also i want to know more about Saashvirmahaa grammar. Does it have all the cases and verbal inflections? For one thing, how do you count in Saashvirmahaa?)

Yes. Cases and verb inflections are involved. Though it is extremely kitchen sinky, involving 9 cases for the 3 masculine (a, e, o) and the 3 feminine genders (~ā, ~i, ~u), and 5 neuter classes (~an, ~aj, ~ak, ~ad, ~r). The verbs follow a highly regular conjugation system that strengthens or weakens the verb in question depending on aspect/mood, tense and person being affixed afterwards.

Yes, counting in Saashvirmahaa uses binary notation:
1. laj (1)
2. vaj (2)
3. valaj (2+1)
4. raj (4)
5. ralaj (4+1)
6. ravaj (4+2)
7. ravalaj (4+2+1)
8. yaj (8)
9. yalaj (8+1)
10. yavaj. (8+2)

[Ambrisio]

Luks tri Nuusdrõ ḳolmäk keikõntoon: kun, dor, gõnik, nguu, toukõ, keikõ, kundrin, dordrin, gõnikdrin, ia nguudrin.
Counting in Proto-Ginösic is base 6: one, two, three, four, five, six, one-and-six, two-and-six,three-and-six, and four-and-six.

Ngouldrõ luks tosiro preiprei naa Sänskrit ḳol. Poltri qed kunnetrin "aham" (nuu) to ḳoltegõns ngoun balta nuunõs.
Your numbers are quite different from Sanskrit. Maybe it was just "aham" (I) that fooled me.

Ia kekkonpõn-kekrelpõn tri bopres naa Eesti ḳolmäk? Nuumäk tri qõstui uḳõittedrõ uḳõnken.
Is the strengthening and weakening a bit like Estonian? (I would like to see an example or two).

(Note on etymology: Qõstui /'ʔɤs.tʰuj/ is "desire", literally "heart-void". One of my favorite words. Also uḳõit /u.'qɤit/ 'example' and uḳõn /u.'qɤn/ 'see' are related, c.f. Estonian näide and näha.)

Ia poltri, nuuken trem pettri Kuasaa ḳoltoon, bet trika Sänskrit ḳolpai.
And maybe I should get to work on Quosaw, which is also based on Sanskrit.

[hwhatting]

Though it is extremely kitchen sinky, involving 9 cases for the 3 masculine (a, e, o) and the 3 feminine genders (~ā, ~i, ~u), and 5 neuter classes (~an, ~aj, ~ak, ~ad, ~r).

Fa tás trés "gantés" munniás sam táfis trifis beniafis fau wéri gantés fau ancarrunamuna parmaitatais santis?
QUESTION-PARTICLE the.FEM.PL.NOM three.FEM.NOM gender.PL.NOM male.FEM.PL.NOM with the.FEM.PL.INSTR three.FEM.PL.INSTR female.FEM.PL.INSTR or truly gender.PL.NOM or class.PL.NOM inflexion.SG.GEN be.PRES.3PL
Are the three masculine and three feminine"genders" really genders or inflexion classes?

[abaddamn]

Luks tri Nuusdrõ ḳolmäk keikõntoon: kun, dor, gõnik, nguu, toukõ, keikõ, kundrin, dordrin, gõnikdrin, ia nguudrin.
Counting in Proto-Ginösic is base 6: one, two, three, four, five, six, one-and-six, two-and-six,three-and-six, and four-and-six.

Kenta cir yavag vāgyavag duś cań vahasi? Kam utam ci gonikdrin dur ati? (tam yavalaj-vāgyavag dur aathati)
How do you do say for example, 18 base 10? Is it gõnikdrin? (that can also be 11 base 10).

Ngouldrõ luks tosiro preiprei naa Sänskrit ḳol. Poltri qed kunnetrin "aham" (nuu) to ḳoltegõns ngoun balta nuunõs.
Your numbers are quite different from Sanskrit. Maybe it was just "aham" (I) that fooled me.

Sam āryag rulati, hajasmi.
That happens alot, LOL.

Ia kekkonpõn-kekrelpõn tri bopres naa Eesti ḳolmäk? Nuumäk tri qõstui uḳõittedrõ uḳõnken.
Is the strengthening and weakening a bit like Estonian? (I would like to see an example or two).

Ārmahāka(verb): vidara (cut, slice)
vidr(weak): vidrivati (he might cut something), vidrmań (cutting something is...)
vidar(root): vidarasi (you cut something), vidațrum (to cut it/something)
vidār(strong): vidāryam (I hope you cut something), vidārai (cut it!)

Are the three masculine and three feminine"genders" really genders or inflexion classes?

Kam cir antītakta durati?
What is an "inflexion class"?

[Ambrisio]

18-drõ nrostrun tri "gõnikkeikõs" qõn "gõnikkeis". Ia 19 tri "gõnikkeiskun". 11 tri "toukõdrin".
The word for 18 is "gõnikkeikõs" or "gõnikkeis". And 19 is "gõnikkeiskun" (three-sixes-and-one). 11 is "toukõdrin".

And by the way, I would like to see Saashvirmahaa phonology.

[abaddamn]

Saashvirmahaa phonology.

Sāșvrmahā hāvanak (Sashvirmahaa Phonology)

Ahan-samta (vowel table)

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lājahan: a /ə/   i /ɪ/   u /ʊ/   e /e/   o /o/      (single vowels)
vājahan: ā /ɑ/   ī /i/   ū /u/   ai /ɑɪ/ au /ɑʊ/    (double vowels)

Ñāstahan-samta (consonant table)

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        plosive     v-plosive   aspirate    v-aspirate  liquid      nasal       fricative
patan:  pa /pə/     ba /bə/     pha /pʰə/   bha /bʰə/   va /ʋə/     ma*/mə/     fa /fə/    (labials)
tatan:  ta /tə/     da /də/     tha /tʰə/   dha /dʰə/   la /lə/     na /nə/     sa /sə/    (dentals)
țatan:  ța /ʈə/     ḑa /ɖə/     țha /ʈʰə/   ḑha /ɖʰə/   ra /rə/     ņa /ɳə/     șa /ʂə/    (retroflexes)
catan:  ca /cə/     ja /ɟə/     cha /cʰə/   jha /ɟʰə/   ya /jə/     ńa /ɲə/     śa /ʃə/    (palatials)
katan:  ka /gə/     ga /gə/     kha /kʰə/   gha /gʰə/   ha /hə/     ña /ŋə/     xa /xə/    (velars)

* Exception: ~mC becomes a nasalized vowel. Eg: samta /sə̃tə/ (chart/table)


Vayakvenka ca: (And in conventional format)

Consonants: (C)
stops (T): /p b t d ʈ ɖ c ɟ k g/ <b p t d ț ḑ c j k g>
aspirated (Th): /pʰ bʰ tʰ dʰ ʈʰ ɖʰ cʰ ɟʰ kʰ gʰ/ <bh ph th dh țh ḑh ch jh kh gh>
liquids (L): /ʋ l r j/ <v l r y>
nasal (N): /m n ɳ ɲ ŋ/ <m n ņ ń ñ>
sibilants (S): /f s ʂ ʃ x h/ <f s ș ś x h>

Vowels: (v)
short: /ə ɪ ʊ e o/ <a i u e o>
long: /ɑ i u ɑɪ ɑʊ/ <ā ī ū ai au>

Phonotactics
Format: Cv <--> CCCCv
Cv(C)
CCv(C) (NTv, LTv, STv, NThv, LThv, SThv, TNv, TLv, TSv, ThLv)
CCCv(C) (NTSv, NTLv, STLv, LTSv, SLNv, TTSv, TTLv, NTTv, STThv, LTThv, NTThv)
CCCCv(C) (LNTLv, LSTLv, NSTLv, NTSLv, LNThLv, NSThLv)
Examples: Mara (Cv), Virya (CvCCvC), hankșā (CvCCCv, NTSv), samņārșțra (CvCCvCCCCv, LSTLv) antramktya (vCCvCCCCv, vNTLvNThTLv)

Aham cis Sāșvrmahāvaha dus tebad iskānur mūtāñur ņāryati.
I hope it removes any confusion you may have about Sashvirmahaa pronunciation.

[Ambrisio]

Õska kõn tri Sänskrit, /f/ ia /x/-drõ liistoon. Tri olriil kõnken?
So this is just Sanskrit with /f/ and /x/. Is there a reason for this?

Ṣṭrām muḍumiḷu kāṇḷāṅgarīmalpeṭitau miṇahuḷu. Taviratibhohau koḷi hanārcesi kāṇḷāṅgau lomitahyaṁ (kopārcoma kalvārcoma taku arṇavuṣehi). Cal yautame saṁskṛtatibhohakrāṇa pārahai chovi.
And by the way, this inspires a conlangery challenge--to take a phonology of an existing language and develop a conlang with radically different features (maybe a different kind of morphology or syntax). I once did that with Sanskrit too.

(This language is called Jhabhai /ɟ^hab^haj/.)

[abaddamn]

Õska kõn tri Sänskrit, /f/ ia /x/-drõ liistoon. Tri olriil kõnken?
So this is just Sanskrit with /f/ and /x/. Is there a reason for this?

Ya, tvam yańo 'sivā hāvanenka mahāvanenka ca sativa na.
Yup, you're right there but only in phonology and basic grammar.

Omketa cir visarga dam nițram darmusma tebac cis fa xa duś cyus pa ka dvaś c' āmeka santiva. Pra-Inda-Yuropamahayam etatum syati ca
I was aiming to disable the visarga (~ah) everywhere, so /f/ and /x/ are only there for /p/ and /f/ in the plural. And also to make it sound more like P.I.E.

Ṣṭrām muḍumiḷu kāṇḷāṅgarīmalpeṭitau miṇahuḷu. Taviratibhohau koḷi hanārcesi kāṇḷāṅgau lomitahyaṁ (kopārcoma kalvārcoma taku arṇavuṣehi). Cal yautame saṁskṛtatibhohakrāṇa pārahai chovi.
And by the way, this inspires a conlangery challenge--to take a phonology of an existing language and develop a conlang with radically different features (maybe a different kind of morphology or syntax). I once did that with Sanskrit too.

Kam Jhabhaimahās sammahās tava viryeka santi?
Is Jhabha this language of yours at the moment?

[Jerian]

[nʋinsḭ lʌːs zðarinḭs nɪlḭnɪ̈s]
to.have 1s extreme.augment.obj headache
I have such a fucking headache right now.

[nælinḭ.jis silḭsmɪl lʌːs]
to.work.entire too.much.v 1s
I've been doing too much work.

[Burke]

finfinu pinu, mupanwa! kapinunag, atasi mikenu katamiwe munigka, kag atahug nemisi sihuwe hitenuwafan.
good-ATTRIBUTIVE morning, everyone-DAT! this-morning-ADV, 1st-INDIRECT in-ATTRIBUTIVE this-place-OBLIQUE INDIRECT-new, and 1st-DIRECT cheer-INDIRECT 2nd-DAT DIRECT-give-OPT-PERF.
Good morning everyone! I'm new here today and wanted to say hello to you.

(I tried to figure out how you guys gloss, but couldn't figure it out. My b)

[finlay]

looks fine - use a dash if it's an affix and a dot if it's part of the same thing.

can't remember how to say it in my conlang, but have some pickles and tea anyway!

[Burke]

looks fine - use a dash if it's an affix and a dot if it's part of the same thing.

can't remember how to say it in my conlang, but have some pickles and tea anyway!

ΟΠΑ!

[Ambrisio]

Ṣṭrām muḍumiḷu kāṇḷāṅgarīmalpeṭitau miṇahuḷu. Taviratibhohau koḷi hanārcesi kāṇḷāṅgau lomitahyaṁ (kopārcoma kalvārcoma taku arṇavuṣehi). Cal yautame saṁskṛtatibhohakrāṇa pārahai chovi.
And by the way, this inspires a conlangery challenge--to take a phonology of an existing language and develop a conlang with radically different features (maybe a different kind of morphology or syntax). I once did that with Sanskrit too.

Kam Jhabhaimahās sammahās tava viryeka santi?
Is Jhabha this language of yours at the moment?

Proto-Ginösic: Kin, ie kõntrun prin tospom Jhabhaidrõ tri.
Jhabhai: Oho, koṭa Jhabhai tibhohaca ṇḷujakalmeṇa ta.
Yes, but this is an old version of Jhabhai (it needs revision).

[abaddamn]

Rasultas? Kenta?
Revision? In what way?

Kam Jhabhaimahair mahāsultakum bhūḑarvasmi cairaņas sati?
Do you mind if I have a look at the gloss for Jhabhai?

[Astraios]

Sā́ níɣwā indoeurópikā ésti, yān φrégū dī́ksin. Albánikā tān evū́, ar áddan éywan séχeti, douṣánt sperrā́an. Sádan negnū́ṣkan, pā́ tān gérβtī. Spéðnas, yas tān wék, negríφt, ka dā́mē énē newézeti.

/'sa 'nʲawa indoeu'ropeka 'aste ja 'ragu 'diʃe | al'baneka ta a'vu ar 'ad 'ew 'saha du'ʃan pa'r | 'sad na'nuʃa 'pa ta 'garoti | 'pan ja ta 'wak na'reft ka 'dame 'ane na'waza/

This is the Indoeuropean language I showed before. Albanian inspired it, so it has a single branch, without sisters. I don't know how to write it. The people who speak it don't write, and don't live in this country.

They do actually. They just don't use the Latin alphabet. The first line is the classical language (their Sanskrit), and the transcription is the modern descendants of each of the classical words, as opposed to the actual spoken language of today (though the two are in fact quite similar, at least in educated urban speech, thanks to rampant archaicizing). At the moment there's no loanwords (except the language names), because I can't decide if their post-IE ancestors lived in the real world or if they accidentally went through a portal to a different planet.

[Nannalu]

Ячӏўнъйѣпѣӷик, тyтхѣԓисѣӷӏ, нъѣԓмѣӷӏ:
Jač'uengjæpæǧik, tutħælisæǧ', ngælmæǧ':
The first sentence, in actuality, in Nelman:

Ԓѣчўнйнёкӏѣӷў юпичхухӏyк?
Læčuenynjok'æǧue jupičħuħ'uk?
Will a certain young man dance with me?

[Thry]

Sycer, fy nae. *hebd hand*
['sɛi̯.kaɾ fɛi̯ naɛ̯ eβd an]
Sure, why not. *gives hand*

[Nannalu]

Sycer, fy nae. *hebd hand*
['sɛi̯.kaɾ fɛi̯ naɛ̯ eβd an]
Sure, why not. *gives hand*

Ԓуючхухӏyв!
[ɬujutʃˣuχ'uw]
Now, we dance!

[Thry]

Haves scoenen awen! Faer lirnest at dansen sau?
You have beautiful eyes! Where did you learn to dance like this?

[R.Rusanov]

Sā́ níɣwā indoeurópikā ésti, yān φrégū dī́ksin. Albánikā tān evū́, ar áddan éywan séχeti, douṣánt sperrā́an. Sádan negnū́ṣkan, pā́ tān gérβtī. Spéðnas, yas tān wék, negríφt, ka dā́mē énē newézeti.

/'sa 'nʲawa indoeu'ropeka 'aste ja 'ragu 'diʃe | al'baneka ta a'vu ar 'ad 'ew 'saha du'ʃan pa'r | 'sad na'nuʃa 'pa ta 'garoti | 'pan ja ta 'wak na'reft ka 'dame 'ane na'waza/

This is the Indoeuropean language I showed before. Albanian inspired it, so it has a single branch, without sisters. I don't know how to write it. The people who speak it don't write, and don't live in this country.

Dîm dambam xapĺeś, braḱar. Jasti derna anxynta sansakritâm, ja latinâm?
diːm dambam xaplʎeʃ, brat͡sar. jasti derna anxɨnta sansakritaːm, ja latinaːm?
You have a cool language, brother. Is the orthography based off Sanskrit, or off Latin?

[Nannalu]

Haves scoenen awen! Faer lirnest at dansen sau?
You have beautiful eyes! Where did you learn to dance like this?

Mйнѣн ӷyпймeчхe!
Mother taught me!

[Astraios]

Dîm dambam xapĺeś, braḱar. Jasti derna anxynta sansakritâm, ja latinâm?
diːm dambam xaplʎeʃ, brat͡sar. jasti derna anxɨnta sansakritaːm, ja latinaːm?
You have a cool language, brother. Is the orthography based off Sanskrit, or off Latin?

Ne, ésti pi ya mḗra minyán. Ka θéryas ési!
/'na 'aste 'pe ja 'mer me'nʲa | ka 'harʲ 'ase/
No, it's what I thought was pretty. And thanks!

[clawgrip]

Nabemack'u'p dolmajot'et. Shibemuq'ebushel taxo beiladilojet nabexulkitk'u'p.
I want to speak this language. I recently started remaking it after eleven years and want to practice it.

[abaddamn]

Haves scoenen awen! Faer lirnest at dansen sau?
You have beautiful eyes! Where did you learn to dance like this?

Mйнѣн ӷyпймeчхe!
Mother taught me!

Se cir Amahanka Tayanka ca.
In b4 Pride and Prejudice.