Romanization challenge thread

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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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Consonant Phonology*

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   R    L   E   P   
   /p/  /f/   /b/  /-/
   /b/  /v/  /m/  /-/
   /t/  /h/  /d/ /-/
   /d/  /ð/  /n/  /-/
   /k/ /x/  /g/  /tʃ/
   /g/ /ɣ/ /ŋ/  /dʒ/
   /m/ /v/ /-/  /-/
   /n/  /ɲ/  /-/  /-/
   /f/  /h/  /v/  /-/
   /v/  /-/  /-/  /-/
   /θ/  /-/  /-/  /-/ 
   /ð/  /-/  /-/  /-/  
   /s/  /-/  /t/  /-/
   /z/  /-/  /-/  /-/
   /ʃ/  /-/  /-/  /-/
   /ʒ/  /-/  /-/  /-/
   /h/  /-/  /-/  /-/
   /l/  /ð/  /-/  /-/
   /ʎ/  /-/  /-/  /-/
   /r/  /ʃ/  /-/  /-/
   /w/  /-/  /-/  /-/
   /j/  /-/  /-/  /-/
   /ts/  /-/  /-/  /-/
   /tʃ/  /-/  /-/  /-/
   /dʒ/  /-/  /-/  /-/  
  
Consonant Orthography

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  <Pp>
  <Bb>
  <Tt>
  <Dd>
  <Cc>
  <Gg>
  <Mm>
  <Nn>
  <Ññ>
  <Ff>
  <Vv>
  <Þþ>
  <Ðð>
  <Ss>
  <Zz>
  <Xx>
  <Jj>
  <Hh>
  <Ll>
  <Łł>
  <Rr>
  <Ww>
  <Yy>
  <Tz ts>
  <Tx tx>
  <Dj dj>
  
Eclipsis is the eclipsing consonant before the eclipsed consonant. Lenition is a consonant + <h> or a consonant + < ̇> in handwriting. An apostrophe separates digraphes. <Qq> and <Ȝȝ/Gg gg> mark /k/ and /g/ radicals before front vowels.

Vowel Phonology*

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  R    W   Rh  
  /ᴀ/  /ə/  /-/ 
  /æ/ /-/ /e/ 
  /e/ /ɛ/ /-/ 
  /i/ /-/ /-/ 
  /o/ /ɔ/ /-/ 
  /ø/ /œ/ /-/ 
  /u/ /-/ /-/ 
  /y/ /-/ /-/ 
 
Vowel Orthography

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  <Aa>
  <Ää>
  <Ee>
  <Ii>
  <Oo>
  <Öö>
  <Uu>
  <Üü>
 
Stress is marked using < ́> on the stressed syllable or < ̃> if the vowel originally had an umlaut. Vowels are separated using these accents or a trema.

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*Symbols used are R=radical, L=lenited form (if any), E=eclipsed form (if any), P=palatalized form (if any), W=weakened form (if any), and Rh=prerhotic form (if any).
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lemme try that again

· /m n p t k v s ʃ h w l r j/ <m n p t k v s z h w l r y>
· /wm jn/ <wh ñ> unless the /w j/ are already written
· /wt wk ws wr/ <wt wk ws wr>
· /st ʃt/ <st zt>
· /pn tn kn sn ʃn/ <pn tn kn sn zn>
· /stn ʃtn/ <stn ztn>
· /tl kr/ <tl kr>

2b. Rhymes

· /a ə o/ + (/p t k s h/) <a u o> + <p t k s h>
· /a ə o/ + /m v/ + (/t k s h/) <a u o> + <m v> + <t k s h>
· /a ə o/ + /n w l r/ + (/m p t k v s h/) <a u o> + <n w l r> + <m p t k v s h>
· /a ə o/ + /ʃ/ + (/m p t k v h/) <a u o> + <z> + <m p t k v h>

· /a ə o/ + /j/ + (/p k h/) <e i ö> + <p k h>
· /a ə o/ + /j/ + /m v/ + (/t k s h/) <e i ö> + <m v> + <t k s h>
· /a ə o/ + /j/ + /n/ + (/m p t k v s h/) <e i ö> + <n> + <m p t k v s h>
· /a ə o/ + /j/ + /ʃ/ + (/m p t k v h/) <e i ö> + <z> + <m p t k v h>

3. Sample text.

[ʉvɕtɛɲ ɛjməsav w̃owʉpop mɛjmoɕt ahnɛjv amɛjv ɛɲohawom owəs̠t w̃ovʉmɛjv
w̃owapəl arʉmojp əs̠tiɲos ɛɕtkop orosɛj ʉvipⁿəs əs̠təs̠ ɕiɕʉm ɛjvokas̠təs
ətiɲəst alok ɕan amowoɲ w̃omot vəs̠tamos̠t iɕɛjp ɛɲajɛjm ɛjmokɛɕt]

Uvzten emusav whowupop memözt ahnev amev enohawom owuzt whovumev
Whowapul arumöp uztinos eztkop orose uvipnus uztuz zizum evokaztus
Utinust alok zan amowön whomot vuztamozt izep eneem emokezt


Although I like my first one better, so [ɕ] <z> and [s̠] <j>:

Ufzteñ eimusav whowupop meimozt ahneiv ameiv eñohawom owujt whovumeiv
Whowapul arumoip ujtiños eztkop orosei uvipnus ujtuj zizum eivokajtus
Utiñust alok zan amowoñ whomot vujtamojt izeip eñayeim eimokezt
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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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Anaan:

/m n ŋ/
/p b t d ʦ ʣ tɕ dʑ k g/
/f v s z ɕ ʑ h/
/ɾ l/

/a aː e eː i iː o oː u uː ɚ/
/ai au ia io iu ua ue ui iau uai/

tones: /a˥ a˩ a˥˩/ (high, low, falling) Low tone is most common, and normally, long vowels have a low tone. There are exceptions, however.

/i/ and /u/ become [j] and [w] when they begin a diphthong

(C)V(C)
Nasals and /l/ are the only allowed final consonants, any consonant other than /ŋ/ may begin a syllable.

/ga˩ma˩ po˥˩koː˩ a˩naː˩po˥˩koː˩ɾai˩.
a˩naː˩a˩ po˥˩koː˩ a˩naː˩po˥˩koː˩ɾai˩.
ta˩kua˥nmi˥a˩ a˩naː˩po˥˩koː˩a˩ i˩nfo˩a˩l kua˥tɕi˥˩i˥nɕa˥ŋʦi˥˩pu˥˩.
heː˥pa˩n a˩n li˥˩a bo˥ɾui˩ ɾua˩ koː˩.
ni˩nɚ˩, ma˥˩nɾe˩n ɕio˩?/
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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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Mailin:

Phoneme inventory:
/m n ɳ ȵ ŋ/ m n ņ ń ŋ
/p pʰ b t tʰ d ʈ ʈʰ ɖ tɕ tɕʰ dʑ k kʰ g q qʰ/ p ph b t th d ţ ţh ḑ c ch j k kh g q qh
/(ɸ) s ʂ ɕ x χ/ f s ş ś h ħ
/w l ɾ ɻ j/ w l r ŗ y
/i ɪ ɛ a ɔ ɤ u ai au ɛi ɛu/ i ь e a o ъ u ai au ei eu
/ɸ/ is only found in loanwords.

Allophony:
The voiced stops /b d ɖ dʑ g/ are realized as fricatives [v ð ð̢ ʑ ɣ] intervocalically. [ð̢] is a retroflex slit fricative.
/w l ɾ ɻ j/ are devoiced after an aspirate.
/s ʂ ɕ/ assimilate in voicing to the following consonant.

Phonotactics:
The maximal syllable structure is (C(R))V(C). Any consonant can occur in the onset except word-initial /ɻ/. The onset can also consist of a non-glide consonant followed by one of /w l ɾ j/, except a labial followed by /w/, an alveolopalatal or a uvular followed by /j/, a nasal other than /m/ followed by /l ɾ/, a coronal followed by /l/, or /lɾ ɾw/. Only sibilants, /l ɾ ɻ/ and a homorganic nasal can occur in the coda, but non-clitic words must end with a vowel. Two aspirates can never occur in consecutive syllables, the first one is deaspirated. /ɪ ɤ/ can't occur in the last syllable.

Stress:
The first syllable of the root is stressed, if it falls on the penult or antepenult, unless that syllable has /ɪ ɤ/ as the nucleus. If the first syllable of the root falls further back than the antepenult, but the antepenult is still part of the root and it doesn't have /ɪ ɤ/, it is stressed; otherwise the stress falls on the penult. If both the penult and antepenult have /ɪ ɤ/, the stress falls on the ultima. Examples:
Root *eudъn
éudъna, eudъnáħi, eudъnъşţhí
Root *dyaqh
dyáqha, dyáqhaħi, dyáqъşţhi
Root *thrьt
thrьtá, thrьtáħi, thrьtъşţhí
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Anaan:

/m n ŋ/ ‹m n ng›
/p b t d ʦ ʣ tɕ dʑ k g/ ‹p b t d c dz ć đ k g›
/f v s z ɕ ʑ h/ ‹f v s z ś ź h›
/ɾ l/ ‹r l›

/a aː e eː i iː o oː u uː ɚ/ ‹a ā e ē i ī o ō u ū er›
/ai au ia io iu ua ue ui iau uai/

Tones : /a˥ a˩ a˥˩ aː˥ aː˩ aː˥˩/ ‹à a ȁ á ā ȃ›

/i/ and /u/ are written ‹j› and ‹w› when they begin or end a diphthong.

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/ga˩ma˩ po˥˩koː˩ a˩naː˩po˥˩koː˩ɾai˩.
a˩naː˩a˩ po˥˩koː˩ a˩naː˩po˥˩koː˩ɾai˩.
ta˩kua˥nmi˥a˩ a˩naː˩po˥˩koː˩a˩ i˩nfo˩a˩l kua˥tɕi˥˩i˥nɕa˥ŋʦi˥˩pu˥˩.
heː˥pa˩n a˩n li˥˩a bo˥ɾui˩ ɾua˩ koː˩.
ni˩nɚ˩, ma˥˩nɾe˩n ɕio˩?/

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Hokkien:

/pʰ p b tʰ t d tsʰ~tɕʰ ts~tɕ dz~dʑ kʰ k g ʔ/ <ph p b th t d ch c z kh k g>
/s ɕ h/ <s x h>
/m n ŋ l/ <m n ng>
/ng/ <n'g>

/a ã e ẽ ə o õ i ĩ u ũ/ <a av e ev ǝ o ov i iv u uv>
/ai au iau uai/ <ai au iau uai>
/ia io iu ua ue ui/ <ia io iu ua ue ui>

/o˥ o˥˧ o˨˩ o˩k o˧˥ o˧ o˥k/ <ó ò ọ òk ô o ók>

Guânkhìthâu xiontè chǝ̀ngcǝ thí kap tue. Tue xi khángkháng guntun; chímián ê binciuv óàm; xiongtè ê xîn untǝng ti cuìbin.
/ɡuan˧˥kʰi˥˧tʰau˧˥ ɕioŋ˧te˧˩ tsʰəŋ˧˩tsə˧ tʰĩ˥ kap˩ tue˧. tue˧ ɕi˧ kʰaŋ˥kʰaŋ˥ hun˧tun˧; tɕʰim˥ian˥ e˧˥ bin˧tɕiũ˧ o˥am˧˩; ɕioŋ˧te˧˩ e˧˥ ɕin˧˥ un˧təŋ˧ ti˧ tsui˥˧bin˧./



Mapudungun:

/m n̪ n ɲ ŋ/ <m nh n nr/rn ņ>
/p t̪ t tʃ ʈʂ k (tʼ)/ <p th t c cr/rc k t'>
/f θ s ʃ/ <f sh s x>
/w ɻ j ɣ~ɰ/ <u r i g>
/l̪ l ʎ/ <lh l li/il>

/a e i o u ɨ~ə/ <a e é/i* o ó/u* y>
*around j, w, ʎ/elsewhere

Kom pu moņence kisushuam mylekei, kom ceņeiņyn, loņkoņeiņyn ka péukeņeiņyn, nieiņyn kimyn fei meu mylei tanri iamnieuael ka epurnpyle kelióuael eņyn.
Kom pu moŋentʃe kisuθuam məlekej, kom tʃeŋejŋɨn, loŋkoŋejŋɨn ka piwkeŋejŋɨn, niejŋɨn kimɨn fej mew məlej taɲi jamniewael ka epuɲpɨle keʎuwael eŋɨn.



Meiw:

[m n p t k v s ɕ h w l r j] <m n p t k w s ś/si h ł l r j>
[w̃ ɲ] <ų ni>
[ʷt ʷk ʷs ʷr] <łt łk łs łr>
[st ɕt] <st śt>
[pⁿ tⁿ kⁿ sⁿ ɕɲ] <pn tn kn sn śni>
[stⁿ ɕtɲ] <stn śtni>
[tl kr] <tl kr>

· [a ə~ʉ o] + ([p t k s h]) <a y u o> <p t k s h>
· [a ʉ o] + [m v] + ([t k s h]) <a u o> <m v> <t k s h>
· [a ə~ʉ o] + [n w l r] + ([m p t k v s h]) <a y u o> <n w l r> <m p t k v s h>
· [a ə o] + [s̠] + ([m p t k v h]) <a y o> <s> <m p t k v h>

· [ɛj i oj] + ([p k h]) <ej i oj> <p k h>
· [ɛj i oj] + [m v] + ([t k ɕ h]) <ej i oj> <m v> <t k ś h>
· [ɛ i o] + [ɲ] + ([m p t k v ɕ h]) <e i o> <ń> <m p t k v ś h>
· [ɛ i o] + [ɕ] + ([m p t k v h]) <e i o> <ś> <m p t k v h>

Uvwśteń ejmysaw ųołupop mejmośt ahnejw amejw eniohałom ołyst ųowumejw ųołapyl arumojp ystinios eśtkop orosej uwipnys ystys śisium ejwokastys ytińyst alok sian amołoń ųomot wystamost isiejp eniajejm ejmokeśt.
[ʉvɕtɛɲ ɛjməsav w̃owʉpop mɛjmoɕt ahnɛjv amɛjv ɛɲohawom owəs̠t w̃ovʉmɛjv
w̃owapəl arʉmojp əs̠tiɲos ɛɕtkop orosɛj ʉvipⁿəs əs̠təs̠ ɕiɕʉm ɛjvokas̠təs
ətiɲəst alok ɕan amowoɲ w̃omot vəs̠tamos̠t iɕɛjp ɛɲajɛjm ɛjmokɛɕt]



Anaan:

/m n ŋ/ <m n g>
/p b t d ʦ ʣ tɕ dʑ k g/ <p b t d ts dz tx dj k g>
/f v s z ɕ ʑ h/ <f v s z x j h>
/ɾ l/ <r l>

/a aː e eː i iː o oː u uː ɚ/ <a aa e ee ı ıı o oo u uu er>
/ai au ia io iu ua ue ui iau uai/ <aı au ıa ıo ıu ua ue uı ıau uaı>

/a˥ a˩ a˥˩/ <ȧ a ạ>

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/ga˩ma˩ po˥˩koː˩ a˩naː˩po˥˩koː˩ɾai˩.
a˩naː˩a˩ po˥˩koː˩ a˩naː˩po˥˩koː˩ɾai˩.
ta˩kua˥nmi˥a˩ a˩naː˩po˥˩koː˩a˩ i˩nfo˩a˩l kua˥tɕi˥˩i˥nɕa˥ŋʦi˥˩pu˥˩.
heː˥pa˩n a˩n li˥˩a bo˥ɾui˩ ɾua˩ koː˩.
ni˩nɚ˩, ma˥˩nɾe˩n ɕio˩?/
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fuckit gonna romatzyh this shit

Anaan:

/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/p b t d ʦ ʣ tɕ dʑ k g/ <p b t d ts dz q c k g>
/f v s z ɕ ʑ h/ <f v s z x j h'>
/ɾ l/ <r l>

/a aː e eː i iː o oː u uː ɚ/
/ai au ia io iu ua ue ui iau uai/

Low tone: <a aa e ee i ii o oo u uu er> <ai au ia io iu ua ue ui iau uai>
High tone: <ha haa he hee hi hii ho hoo hu huu her> <hai hau hia hio hiu hua hue hui hiau huai> -- /VhV˩ VhV˥ VV˩ VV˥/ <Vh'V V'hV V'V VhV>
Falling: <aw aaw ei eei y yy ou oou w uw ur> <ay ao ya yo yu oa oe oi yao oai>
Macrons can also be used for long vowels.

/ga˩ma˩ po˥˩koː˩ a˩naː˩po˥˩koː˩ɾai˩.
a˩naː˩a˩ po˥˩koː˩ a˩naː˩po˥˩koː˩ɾai˩.
ta˩kua˥nmi˥a˩ a˩naː˩po˥˩koː˩a˩ i˩nfo˩a˩l kua˥tɕi˥˩i˥nɕa˥ŋʦi˥˩pu˥˩.
heː˥pa˩n a˩n li˥˩a bo˥ɾui˩ ɾua˩ koː˩.
ni˩nɚ˩, ma˥˩nɾe˩n ɕio˩?/

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Anaa'a poukoo anaapoukoorai.
Takhuanmhi'a anaapoukoo'a info'alk khuaqyhinxhangtsypw.
'Heepan an ly'a bhorui rua koo.
Niner, mawnren xio?


With diaereses instead of apostrophes for breaking hiatus:
Gama poukoo anaapoukoorai.
Anaaä poukoo anaapoukoorai.
Takhuanmhiä anaapoukooä infoälk khuaqyhinxhangtsypw.
'Heepan an lyä bhorui rua koo.
Niner, mawnren xio?


With circumflexes for long vowels:

Gama poukô anâpoukôrai.
Anâä poukô anâpoukôrai.
Takhuanmhiä anâpoukôä infoälk khuaqyhinxhangtsypw.
'Hêpan an lyä bhorui rua kô.
Niner, mawnren xio?


Aidos's lang: Replace cedillas with underdots, <h ħ> with <x h>, and yers with i- and u-breve
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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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Anaan:

/m n ŋ/ <m n g>
/p b t d ʦ ʣ tɕ dʑ k g/ <p b t d c dz ć dź k g>
/f v s z ɕ ʑ h/ <f v s z ś ź h>
/ɾ l/ <r l>

/a aː e eː i iː o oː u uː ɚ/ <a aa e ee i ii o oo u uu er>
/ai au ia io iu ua ue ui iau uai/ <ai au ia io iu ua ue ui iau uai>

tones: /a˥ a˩ a˥˩/ <á a à> (tone markings always appear on <a e o> in diphthongs or on the last letter of <ui iu>, and on the final letter of a long vowel.

Apostrophes are used between vowels of different syllables within the same word where the reading would be ambiguous.

/ga˩ma˩ po˥˩koː˩ a˩naː˩po˥˩koː˩ɾai˩.
a˩naː˩a˩ po˥˩koː˩ a˩naː˩po˥˩koː˩ɾai˩.
ta˩kua˥nmi˥a˩ a˩naː˩po˥˩koː˩a˩ i˩nfo˩a˩l kua˥tɕi˥˩i˥nɕa˥ŋʦi˥˩pu˥˩.
heː˥pa˩n a˩n li˥˩a bo˥ɾui˩ ɾua˩ koː˩.
ni˩nɚ˩, ma˥˩nɾe˩n ɕio˩?/

Gama pòkoo anaapòkoorai.
Anaa’a pòkoo anaapòkoorai.
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Phoneme inventory:
/m n ɳ ȵ ŋ/ m n ṇ ń ŋ
/p pʰ b t tʰ d ʈ ʈʰ ɖ tɕ tɕʰ dʑ k kʰ g q qʰ/ p ph b t th d ṭ ṭh ḍ c ch j k kh g q qh
/(ɸ) s ʂ ɕ x χ/ (f) s ṣ ś h x
/w l ɾ ɻ j/ w l r ṛ y

OR

/m n ɳ ȵ ŋ/ m n ṇ ń ŋ
/p pʰ b t tʰ d ʈ ʈʰ ɖ tɕ tɕʰ dʑ k kʰ g q qʰ/ b p v d t z ḍ ṭ ẓ j c ź g k ğ ĝ q
/(ɸ) s ʂ ɕ x χ/ (f) s ṣ ś h ĉ
/w l ɾ ɻ j/ w l r ṛ y

/i ɪ ɛ a ɔ ɤ u ai au ɛi ɛu/ i~í ï e~é a~á o~ó ë u~ú ai~ái au~áu ei~éi eu~éu (unstressed~stressed)

Root *eudën
éudëna, eudënáxi, eudënëṣṭhí
Root *dyaqh
dyáqha, dyáqhaxi, dyáqhëṣṭhi
Root *thrït
thrïtá, thrïtáxi, thrïtëṣṭhí

OR

Root *euzën
éuzëna, euzënáĉi, euzënëṣṭí
Root *zyaq
zyáqa, zyáqaĉi, zyáqëṣṭi
Root *trïd
trïdá, trïdáĉi, trïdëṣṭí
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sangi39 wrote: /ŋ/ <g>
/g/ <g>
?
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Like Ancient Greek.
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How would /aŋ.a/ and /a.ga/ be distinguished though?
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Nortaneous wrote:
sangi39 wrote: /ŋ/ <g>
/g/ <g>
?
Lyhoko Leaci wrote:Nasals and /l/ are the only allowed final consonants, any consonant other than /ŋ/ may begin a syllable
/ŋ/ and /g/ don't appear in the same position in a syllable, if I understood it correctly. Other than sequences of Vŋ.V and V.gV within the same word, written Vg'V and VgV respectively*, there's no ambiguity.

*meant to include that when talking about the apostrophe but forgot. Could have used <ng> for /ŋ/ but then you get Vŋ.V, Vn.gV (VngV vs Vn'gV) ambiguity and <ngg> for Vŋ.gV. Tried to cut down on digraphs and went for <g> /ŋ/.
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Pseudo-Telanesian

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		   Ø	 p	t	 k	 m	 n	j	 l	 w	 h	 d	t͡ʃʼʙ    ŋʘ↑ʼ k͡ʟ̝̊ːʷ gǂ͡˞χˀ ʬᴙ!!
a		  施	室	時	矢	濕	釋	侍	蓍	駛	之	制	址	踯	致	寂		嘰		躋
i		  氏	詩	適	勢	拭	事	柿	筮	師	稚	纸	芷	直	脂	集		及		笈
u		  食	士	市	使	始	侄	式	噬	似	郅	织	汁	掷	雉	雞		箕		忌
e		  獅	嗜	視	逝	試	治	噬	弒	諡	至	帜	址	趾	肢	即		稷		急
o		  史	誓	是	世	識	豕	示	蝨	痔	智	炙	执	止	季	棘		濟		咭
ᶣɞ̂ˑ	石	十	恃	屍	實	舐	奭	屎	芝	知	殖	豸	枝	姬	饑		既		繼
/ŋʘ↑ʼuk͡ʟ̝̊ːʷaʙi gǂ͡˞χˀaʬᴙ!!o pᶣɞ̂ˑ t͡ʃʼehiŋʘ↑ʼu/
雉寂直 嘰咭 十 址稚雉

Here's a slightly more serious attempt

Hokkien

Initials:
/pʰ p b tʰ t d tsʰ ts dz~z tɕʰ tɕ dʑ kʰ k g/ <ph p b th t d ch c j chi ci ji kh k g>
/s ɕ h/ <s si h>
/m n ŋ l/ <m n ng l>

Medials:
/a ã e ẽ ə o õ i ĩ u ũ/ <a aq e eq v o oq i iq u uq> (<va vaq ye yeq v wo woq yi yiq wu wuq> if no initial)
/ai au iau uai/ <ai au iau uai> (<ai au yau wai> if no initial)
/ia io iu ua ue ui/ <ia io iu ua ue ui> (<ya yo yu wa we wi> if no initial)

Finals:
/p t k m n ŋ ʔ/ <p t k m n ng h>

Tones:
˥ ˥˧ ˨˩ ˩+stop ˧˥˧ ˧ ˥+stop <a ar aar a al aa ar>

ɡuan˧˥kʰi˥˧tʰau˧˥ ɕioŋ˧te˧˩ tsʰəŋ˧˩tsə˧ tʰĩ˥ kap˩ tue˧. tue˧ ɕi˧ kʰaŋ˥kʰaŋ˥ hun˧tun˧; tɕʰim˥ian˥ e˧˥ bin˧tɕiũ˧ o˥am˧˩; ɕioŋ˧te˧˩ e˧˥ ɕin˧˥ un˧təŋ˧ ti˧ tsui˥˧bin˧.

Gualnkhirthaul sioongteer chvvrngcvv thiq kap tuee. Tuee sii khangkhang huuntuun; chim-yan yel biinciuuq wovaarm yel siln uuntvvng tii cuirbiin.

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Hokkien

Initials:
/pʰ p b tʰ t d tsʰ ts dz~z tɕʰ tɕ dʑ kʰ k g/ <ph p b th t d ch c z qh q j kh k g>
/s ɕ h/ <s sh h>
/m n ŋ l/ <m n ng l>

Medials:
/a ã e ẽ ə o õ i ĩ u ũ/
/ai au iau uai/
/ia io iu ua ue ui/

High or low+stop:
<a ann e enn eu o onn i inn u unn>
<ai au iau uai>
<ia io iu ua ue ui>

High falling:
<ah amn eh emn euh oh omn ih imn uh umn>
<aih auh iauh uaih>
<iah ioh iuh uah ueh uih>

Low falling:
<aw awnn ey eynn ew ow ownn y ynn w wnn>
<ay ao iao uay>
<iaw iou iw uaw uei uy>

Rising:
<ae aenn ei einn eo oa oann ie ienn ou ounn>
<aey aow yao way>
<ya yo yu wa we wi>

Mid or high+stop:
<aa amm ee emm eou oo omm ii imm uu umm>
<aiy auw yiau wuai>
<yia yio yiu wua wue wui>

Finals:
/p t k m n ŋ ʔ/ <p t k m n ng h>

ɡuan˧˥kʰi˥˧tʰau˧˥ ɕioŋ˧te˧˩ tsʰəŋ˧˩tsə˧ tʰĩ˥ kap˩ tue˧. tue˧ ɕi˧ kʰaŋ˥kʰaŋ˥ hun˧tun˧; tɕʰim˥ian˥ e˧˥ bin˧tɕiũ˧ o˥am˧˩; ɕioŋ˧te˧˩ e˧˥ ɕin˧˥ un˧təŋ˧ ti˧ tsui˥˧bin˧.

Gwan-khih-thaow shyiong-tey chewng-ceou thinn kap twue. Twue shii khang-khang huun-tuun; qhim-ian ei biin-qiumm o-awm; shyiong-tey ei shien uun-teoung tii cueh-biin.
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Russian:
/m n/
/mʲ nʲ/
/p b t d k g/
/pʲ bʲ tʲ dʲ kʲ gʲ/
/t͡s/
/t͡sʲ t͡ɕ/
/f v s z ʂ ʐ x/
/fʲ vʲ sʲ z ɕː ʑː xʲ/
/r l/
/rʲ lʲ j/

/i (ɨ)* u e o a/
*ɨ may be analyzed as /i/ and i as palatalized /i/

/vzgromozʲdʲitʲsʲa/
/fsklokot͡ɕenɨj/
/mʲaxʲkʲij znak/
/jus bolʲ.ʂoj joˈtʲirovan.nɨj/
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Russian:

Broad:
/m n/ <m n>
/p b t d k g/ <p b t d c g>
/t͡s/ <tz>
/f v s z ʂ ʐ x/ <ph bh s z sh zh ch>
/r l Ø/ <r l Ø>

Slender:
/mʲ nʲ/ <m n>
/pʲ bʲ tʲ dʲ kʲ gʲ/ <p b t d c g>
/t͡sʲ t͡ɕ/ <tz th>
/fʲ vʲ sʲ z ɕː ʑː xʲ/ <ph bh s z sh zh ch>
/rʲ lʲ j/ <r l Ø>

/i u e o a/ <ie u eh o a>
/iʲ uʲ eʲ oʲ aʲ/ <oi ui ai oh ah>
/ʲi ʲu ʲe ʲo ʲa/ <ie eu e eo ea>
/ʲiʲ ʲuʲ ʲeʲ ʲoʲ ʲaʲ/ <i ue ei oe ae>

/vzgromozʲdʲitʲsʲa/ bhzgromohzditsea
/fsklokot͡ɕenij/ phsklocohthedhnoi
/mʲaxʲkʲij znak/ maechci znac
/jus bolʲ.ʂoj joˈtʲirovan.nij/ eus bohlshoh eotierobhannoi
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Russian:
/m n mʲ nʲ/ ‹m n m n›
/p b t d k g pʲ bʲ tʲ dʲ kʲ gʲ/ ‹p b t d k g p b t d k g›
/t͡s t͡sʲ t͡ɕ/ ‹c c č›
/f v s z ʂ ʐ x fʲ vʲ sʲ zʲ ɕː ʑː xʲ/ ‹f v s z š ž h f v s z š ž h›
/r l rʲ lʲ j/ ‹r l r l y›

/i (ɨ)* u e o a/ ‹i ə u e o a›

/CʲV CʲCʲV CʲCV CCʲV/ ‹CV́ CCV́ CyCV CCyV›

vzgromozdítsá fsklokočenəy máhkíy znak yus bolyšoy yotírovannəy
/vzgromozʲdʲitʲsʲa fsklokot͡ɕenɨj mʲaxʲkʲij znak jus bolʲ.ʂoj joˈtʲirovan.nɨj/

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Russian:
/m n/ <m n>
/mʲ nʲ/ <my ny>
/p b t d k g/ <p b t d k g>
/pʲ bʲ tʲ dʲ kʲ gʲ/ <py by ty dy ky gy>
/t͡s/ <c>
/t͡sʲ t͡ɕ/ <ch q>
/f v s z ʂ ʐ x/ <f v s z sh zh x>
/fʲ vʲ sʲ ɕː ʑː xʲ/ <fy vy ç çh sy xy>
/r l/ <r l>
/rʲ lʲ j/ <ry ly j>
/i ɨ u e o a/ <i ii u e o a>

/vzgromozʲdʲitʲsʲa/ <vzgromozydyicha>
/fsklokot͡ɕenɨj/ <fsklokoqeniij>
/mʲaxʲkʲij znak/ <myaxykyij znak>
/jus bolʲ.ʂoj joˈtʲirovan.nɨj/ <jus bolyshoj jotyirovanniij>
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You mention <ch> but yet you use <tysy>

Russian:
/m n/ <m n>
/mʲ nʲ/ <m' n'>
/p b t d k g/ <p b t d k g>
/pʲ bʲ tʲ dʲ kʲ gʲ/ <p' b' t' d' k' g'>
/t͡s/ <ts>
/t͡sʲ t͡ɕ/ <ts' c>
/f v s z ʂ ʐ x/ <f v s z sh zh h>
/fʲ vʲ sʲ zʲ ɕː ʑː xʲ/ <f' v' s' z' sh' zh' s' h'>
/r l/ <r l>
/rʲ lʲ j/ <r' l' j>
/ɨ u e o a/ <i u e o a>
/ʲi ʲu ʲe ʲo ʲa/ <í ú é ó á>

Notes: palatalisation seeps through consonants; palatalising vowels remove apostrophes. <cÁ> = <cA> where V = any vowel

/mʲaxʲkʲij znak/ <máhkíj znak> (<myaxykyij znak>)
/vzgromozdʲitsʲa/ <vzgromozdítsá>
/fsklokot͡ɕenɨj/ <fsklokocenij>
/jus bolʲ.ʂoj joˈtʲirovan.nɨj/ <jus bol'shoj jotírovannij>

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/m n/ <m n>
/p b t d k g/ <p b t d k g>
/t͡s/ <c>
/t͡ɕ/ <č>
/f v s z ʂ ʐ x/ <f v s z š ž x>
/ɕː ʑː/ <ç j>
/r l/ <r l>
/j/ <y>
/i ɨ u e o a/ <ii i u e o a>

Palatalization is marked:
* by <i> preceding the following vowel -- it spreads through consonants like /ʂ ʐ/ that can't take palatalization
* by <y> when not followed by a vowel or a palatalization-transparent consonant

/ij ɨj oj/ are <ï ë ö>. <ï> always forces palatalization.

/vzgromozʲdʲitʲsʲa/ <vzgromozdiicia>
/fsklokot͡ɕenɨj/ <fsklokočenë>
/mʲaxʲkʲij znak/ <miaxkï znak>
/jus bolʲ.ʂoj joˈtʲirovan.nɨj/ <yus bolšiö yotiirovannë>
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That analysis of Russian is all wrong. It's phonetic, not phonemic. And purely phonetic analyses are always silly. Even worse, this analysis concludes that palatalization is phonemic on consonants, whereas it actually stems entirely from the vowels!

Here's a better one:

/m n/
/p b t d k g~ɣ~v/
/t͡s t͡ɕ/
/f v s z ʂ ʐ x/
/ɕː ʑː/
/r l/
/j/
/i u e o a ʲi ʲu ʲe ʲo ʲa/

Where:
i < y < ū
u < ou̯
e < e (solely in foreign borrowings and the demonstrative pronoun этот)
o < o, a, u
a < ō, ā
ʲi < ī
ʲu < i̯u < eu̯
ʲe < e (native, unstressed), i
ʲo < e (native, stressed)
ʲa < ǣ < ē

Keep that in mind when formulating your orthographies. One might as well use ey for historical ā in English! Diphthongs are vowels too, even pre-palatalizing ones. I see the same kind of bullshit spouted in the Wikipedia article for Bulgarian and other Slavic languages, up to and including having /xʲ/ in the phoneme inventory because of the word Хюстън ~ Houston! It's infuriating.
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Bullshit. It's about the etymology, not the phonology. And how would you analyze word-final palatalized consonants?
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In one language of mine there is a three-way contrast between aspirated, unaspirated, and implosive for bilabial and dental stops.

For various reasons, I'm not interested in doing it like <ph - p - b>, <th - t - d> and would rather do <p - b - ?>, <t - d - ?>. Is using <bb> and <dd> for /ɓ/ and /ɗ/ especially unintuitive? If so, is there a better option? I'm not really interested in using <ɓ ɗ> because I think it is kind of ugly and reminds me too much of phonemic transcription rather than simple Romanization. I suppose I could also use something like <ḃ ḋ> or <ḅ ḍ>.

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Pole wrote:Bullshit. It's about the etymology, not the phonology. And how would you analyze word-final palatalized consonants?
Yers that dropped out per Havlik's law, duh?

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Драгост ~ Drogość < Dorgostǐ

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how is palatalization *synchronically* on the vowels if it can appear word-finally
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