Quadripartite morphosyntactic alignment

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Re: Quadripartite morphosyntactic alignment

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KathAveara wrote:Allowing all verbs other than the copula to take exactly one argument. This argument can be used by any number of verbs.
But that's...nothing at all like the system baradsoron has described...

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I think Kath was responding to
baradsonoron wrote:
Sir Gwalchafad wrote:Because you just stated that you have departed from all rules. At that point the only feedback you will get is possibly whether people like it or not.
An excellent point. Out of interest, what better features have you seen for alienness? I need inspiration.
And to answer that myself, http://www.zompist.com/elkaril.htm.
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Re: Quadripartite morphosyntactic alignment

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Drydic Guy wrote:I think Kath was responding to
baradsonoron wrote:
Sir Gwalchafad wrote:Because you just stated that you have departed from all rules. At that point the only feedback you will get is possibly whether people like it or not.
An excellent point. Out of interest, what better features have you seen for alienness? I need inspiration.
And to answer that myself, http://www.zompist.com/elkaril.htm.
Wow. That's almost as ugly as Georgian.

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baradsonoron wrote:
Drydic Guy wrote:I think Kath was responding to
baradsonoron wrote:
Sir Gwalchafad wrote:Because you just stated that you have departed from all rules. At that point the only feedback you will get is possibly whether people like it or not.
An excellent point. Out of interest, what better features have you seen for alienness? I need inspiration.
And to answer that myself, http://www.zompist.com/elkaril.htm.
Wow. That's almost as ugly as Georgian.

p-tñêchôngmsh "and full of iron ore"
khilkhkhkhkh 'an ugly, ugly, ugly red' INDIVIDUALLY ARTICULATED CHAINED CONSONANTS FOR THE WIN
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baradsonoron wrote:p-tñêchôngmsh "and full of iron ore"
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Drydic Guy wrote:
khilkhkhkhkh 'an ugly, ugly, ugly red' INDIVIDUALLY ARTICULATED CHAINED CONSONANTS FOR THE WIN
Yes. One of my conlangs uses single-consonant affixes, so ččččini means "He gave him to him". That's pronounced "ch-ch-ch-chini".
https://soundcloud.com/conor-thompson-2 ... rticulated

The conlang mentioned in the OP uses only consonant clusters, so mv'gdn'gn'ŋb means "I give him them". (them-give-me-him)
http://soundcloud.com/conor-thompson-27 ... t-clusters

Also, just to clear things up, the explanation for the only-consonants is that the language was written much more frequently than it was spoken (in the conworld, this culture values silence), so the written form was the only thing that survived, so when people started speaking the language again, they just assigned nine sounds to the nine letters.
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baradsonoron wrote:Yes. One of my conlangs uses single-consonant affixes, so ččččini means "He gave him to him". That's pronounced "ch-ch-ch-chini".
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Ansu frú ônal savel zaš gmlĥ a vek Adúljôžal vé jaga čaþ kex.
Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh.

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Matrix wrote:
baradsonoron wrote:Yes. One of my conlangs uses single-consonant affixes, so ččččini means "He gave him to him". That's pronounced "ch-ch-ch-chini".
ččččia
what?

also, have a script or five.
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baradsonoron wrote:
Matrix wrote:
baradsonoron wrote:Yes. One of my conlangs uses single-consonant affixes, so ččččini means "He gave him to him". That's pronounced "ch-ch-ch-chini".
ččččia
what?
http://youtu.be/tzY7qQFij_M
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baradsonoron wrote:
Matrix wrote:
baradsonoron wrote:Yes. One of my conlangs uses single-consonant affixes, so ččččini means "He gave him to him". That's pronounced "ch-ch-ch-chini".
ččččia
what?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzY7qQFij_M
They blanketed commercial spots with it in the 90s.
also, have a script or five.
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I'm a fan of Linear, Syllabic, and Logo-2. What's the reasoning behind the names?
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Drydic Guy wrote:
baradsonoron wrote:
also, have a script or five.
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I'm a fan of Linear, Syllabic, and Logo-2. What's the reasoning behind the names?
Linear is named that because everything is written on lines like Ogham.
Syllabic is named that because every morpheme is consolidated into a glyph (like a syllabary)
Logo-2 is just the evolved form of Logographic, which is like chinese characters: a rough meaning of the word and the first letter.
I'll post another example soon.
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baradsonoron wrote:
Seven Fifty wrote:Are you referring to a system with different cases for (1) "active" intransitive arguments (Sa), (2) "stative" intransitive arguments (Sp), (3) transitive subjects (A), (4) transitive objects (P)? As far as I know this doesn't happen in any real world languages, but notionally it could happen.

(Technically calling cases (1) and (2) "active" and "stative" would be non-standard, as these cases strictly speaking should also be available with transitives, but if there was a language with such a system these labels would be as good as any other.)
Yes I am. This is exactly what I am referring to. Additionally, it is polysynthetic, so really, it's "affixes" for those. This also means that "I was given" puts "I" in a different case than "He gave me", providing an excellently elegant way of doing the passive voice.
I don't know any language that has this either and yes, the terms 'active' and 'stative' are non standard because they aren't aligned like an active case.

That said, there is obviously no oeconomic need for this system. But have at it I suppose.

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Re: Quadripartite morphosyntactic alignment

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baradsonoron wrote:But I was curious as to whether anybody else had thought of it.
I am more curious to know whether anyone here has not thought of it.

Yes, I've thought of it. I can't imagine that anyone reading this thread has not thought of it.

Used it? No. But it's one of those ideas that I don't see how they could not occur to a conlanger.

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