Numbers on more than 20,000 ways

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Numbers on more than 20,000 ways

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Hi all,

I just want to tell everyone on this board that you sent me numbers from your conlang(s) that the total number of languages ​​(conlangs, natlangs, other languages ​​/ speeches, their dialects and additional variants) in my collection numbers on more than 20,000 different ways. I think I have today data for numbers at 20.240 ways.
Now I do not know the number of how many I have conlangs information numbers, because I still edit, those files where I specifically mention conlangs. I think I have somewhere between 8,000 and 9,000. When I have more precise information, I'll notify on ZBB in future.

I sincerely thank you for all your help in the collection of numbers!

I wish you all every success in your work!

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My collection numbers from languages and dialects changes incenssantly.
Today 21.1.2014 my collection includes: I have data for numbers from 21518 ways (both languages. conlangs and natlangs, their dialects, subdialects,... additional versions.

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That's pretty great. Congratulations, Janko. :)

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Just for you, Janko: :-D

Miwonša

All numbers have adverbial and adjectival forms. If they refer to certain nouns, they take different endigns according to the case and the noun class the noun belongs to.

1: ano
2: pjara
3: kiši
4: šela
5: mjaško
6: šepi
7: honša
8: tupi
9: khona
10: anjura

(Pronunciation: [anɔ pjara kiʃi ʃela mjaʃkɔ ʃepi hɔ̃ʃa tupi k'ona aɲura], all numbers are stressed on the penultimate syllable)

11: anjura ano
12: anjura pjaš
13: anjura kiš
14: anjura šela
15: anjura mjaško
16: anjura šepi
17: anjura honš
18: anjura tupi
19: anjura khona
20: pjašura

30 kišura
40: šeljura
50: mjaškjura
60: šepjura
70: honšura
80: tupjura
90: khonjura

100: lhonso
200 pjašonso
300: kišonso
400: šeljonso
500: mjaškjonso
600: šepjonso
700: honšonso
800: tupjonso
900: khonjonso

1000: tinhwa


edit 2: The word for one remains "ano"
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Farwo n-Abebbu:

1: the
2: nye
3: was
4: bu
5: dwa
6: es
7: myem
8: hou
9: nyu
10: ro

Pronunciation: [θɛ njɛ wʌs bu dwɑ ɛs mjɛm hɔʊ nju rɔ]

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Sajiwan, a caribean English-based creole:

wan [wɑ̃ɰ]
tu [tu]
twi [tyː]
fo [fo]
fay [fai]
sis [sis]
sevn [se.nʷ]
et [et]
nayn [naːɲ]
ten [ten]



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Congratulations! Have another:

Bôhȷè [ʙøˑ˥˩çe˩]

1: hyỏ [çᶣøˑ˧˩]
2: nxñ [ᵑǁŋ̩ˑ˧˥]
3: hȷá [ça˥]
4: hbȯ [ʙ̥øˑ˥˧]
5: xuỏȷ [ǁʷoˑ˧˩j]
6: hȷá nxñ hl [ça˥ ᵑǁŋ̩ˑ˧˥ɬ]
7: hȷá nxñ hl hyỏ x [ça˥ ᵑǁŋ̩ˑ˧˥ɬ çᶣøˑ˧˩ǁ]
8: hbȯ nxñ hl [ʙ̥øˑ˥˧ ᵑǁŋ̩ˑ˧˥ɬ]
9: hȷá hȷá hl [ça˥ ça˥ɬ]
10: hȷá hȷá hl hyỏ x [ça˥ ça˥ɬ çᶣøˑ˧˩ǁ]
11: hȷá hȷá hl nxñ x [ça˥ ça˥ɬ ᵑǁŋ̩ˑ˧˥ǁ]
12: nqui [ᵑǃʷu˥˧]
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Plusquamperfekt wrote:I decided to add a "w" to my number "one", since "ano" means "anus" in Spanish :-D
And it means "yes" in Czech. Don't know which one is worse.
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Rovaei:
1 alād
2 mish
3 zhiqid
4 dāw
5 xhat
6 thākwad
7 usak
8 kalash
9 āisan
10 sīm
11 tsilhan

12 zan
13 alāzan
14 mizan
15 zhizan
16 kalshilh
17 zaŋat
18 āsinilh
19 zanusak
20 sīmilh
21 zhidusak
22 tsinilh
23 zanilhan

24 zanilh
25 alāzilh
26 mizilh
27 zhizilh
28 zanilh tāw
29 zanilh xhat
30 zanilh thākwad

36 zhizāin
37 zhizāilād
38 zhizāin mish

48 dauzāin
49 dauzāilād

60 danath
72 zhizainilh
84 danath zanilh
96 danath zhizāin
108 danath dauzāin
120 danthilh
132 danthilh zan

144 sindat
145 sindat alād
156 sindat zan
168 sindat zanilh

288 sintilh
432 zhiqid sindāit
576 dāw sindāit
720 xhat sindāit

1728 zan sindāit
3456 zanilh sindāit
5184 zhizāin sindāit

20736 xātsiʔ
41472 xātsilh
62208 zhiqid xātsīʔ

12^5 zan xatsīʔ
12^6 sindat xatsīʔ
12^7 zan sindāit xatsīʔ
12^8 qiragat

d z zh g qh sh lh xh /t’ ts’ tʃ’ k’ q’ ʃ ɬ χ/, otherwise as in IPA. Macrons indicate long vowels.
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Miar is complicated, but:

1 nä
2 (qul)ehhu
3 (qo)wönʔ
4 (qo)baṟë
5 mash(öl)
6 nämash(öl)
7 ehhunth(öl)
8 wönʔansh(öl)
9 baṟënth(öl)
10 mashakh (qul)ehhu

11-20 = phyänha / phyänl / phyäŋ + 1-10

20-29 = phyäñe ehhu / phyäñehhu + 1-10
30-39 = phyäñe wönʔ + 1-10
etc

Numbers come after the noun.

The parenthesized prefixes in 2-4 are only used when the object is definite. Definiteness in Miar is Complicated. They aren't used in 12-14 or any higher numbers.

The word for 'five' is equivalent to the word for 'hand' and is inflected for definiteness accordingly, but I won't get into that here. The word for 'ten' means 'two hands'. Phyäŋ is a plurale tantum that originally meant 'feet', but is now archaic. Counting is usually done in tens: nä, ehhu, wönʔ, baṟë, mashöl, nämash, ehhunth, wönʔansh, baṟënth, mashakh qulehhu, phyänha nä, ehhu, wönʔ, ..., mashakh qulehhu, phyäñehhu, ehhu, wönʔ, ..., mashakh qulehhu, phyäñe wönʔ, ehhu, ..., and in practice, mashakh qulehhu is almost always reduced to mashakh.

Pronunciation: [nɛ qʼʊd͡ɮehhʊ qʼɔwø̃ʔ qʼɔbarˠə masød͡ɮ nɛmas ʔehhũθ wø̃ʔãs barˠə̃θ masax qʼʊd͡ɮehhʊ pʰjɛ̃hanɛ...] (stress is always final for now)
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So, what happens to 21-30? Is there an irregularity that makes it difficult to choose a single form?
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tezcatlip0ca wrote:So, what happens to 21-30? Is there an irregularity that makes it difficult to choose a single form?
No I just forgot them. Fixed.
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I would be interested to see what the "weighted" average of those numbers would come out to.
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I present below all data from my collection.
All languages (natlangs and conlangs), dialects and speeches with additional versions:20686

1. Natural languages, dialects, subdialects and speeches: 9636
a) Natural languages: 6295
b) Natural dialects: 3104
c) Subdialects: 129
d) Speeches: 108

2. Additional versions, sets: 1399

3. Constructed languages, auxlangs, artlangs, fictional languages and their dialects and those which transfered their language name: 9331
a) Constructed languages, auxlangs, artlangs, fictional languages and those which transfered their language name: 8904
b) Constructed, auxlangs, artlangs, fictional dialects: 426

4. Other languages (argots, jokelangs, language games, slangs,… etc.), dialects and others systems (not languages: systems of encording,…): 317
a) Other languages: 294
b) Other dialects: 23
c) Other systems (not languages: systems of encording): 4

All languages,without addition versions 19286

Last was changed on 4.9.2013
My collection numbers from languages and dialects changes incenssantly.
Today 21.1.2014 my collection includes: I have data for numbers from 21518 ways (both languages. conlangs and natlangs, their dialects, subdialects,... additional versions.

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Janko Gorenc wrote:I present below all data from my collection.
Quite impressive Janko, congratulations!
d) Speeches: 108
What is a "speech" in this regard?


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jal wrote:
Janko Gorenc wrote:I present below all data from my collection.
Quite impressive Janko, congratulations!
d) Speeches: 108
What is a "speech" in this regard?


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Speeches are a subset of dialects. Just as sub-dialects. Speech are a small group of dialects. In most cases, this refers to speaking people, where people from one town/ village speak differently in the first town/ village. Otherwise, I have to say that the speech used in Slavic languages​​: Slovenian, Croatian, Serbian, Russian, ...
My collection numbers from languages and dialects changes incenssantly.
Today 21.1.2014 my collection includes: I have data for numbers from 21518 ways (both languages. conlangs and natlangs, their dialects, subdialects,... additional versions.

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Empotle7á, base 8:
tawo, sí, nalló, mená, 7otla, mení, nallé, ŋawo

Shtaasaa, base 8:
tab, shi, nastï, nheddh, us, mech, naish, nhab

Neirre Wippwo, base 10:
ke, ni, woa, boa, du, iš, mem, son, nil, roa
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If you don't have Azenti yet:

1:lan
2:zebhi
3:epir
4:dhizze
5:gry
6:aćci
7:hôtta
8: magrim
9:vyupas
10:sabbhjas

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Arzena wrote:Empotle7á, base 8:
tawo, sí, nalló, mená, 7otla, mení, nallé, ŋawo

Shtaasaa, base 8:
tab, shi, nastï, nheddh, us, mech, naish, nhab
Are those related languages?

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Proto-Annumahan:
0 kane
1 kop
2
3 ramak
4 nal
5 minos
6 zerum
7 hôj
8 dene
9 tipre
10 kure

[ˈkanə kɔp veɪ̯ ɾaˈmak nal miˈnɔs zɛˈɾum ʔoʊ̯ʐ ˈdɛnə ˈtipɾə ˈkuɾə]

Zametulian:
0 xane
1 kop
2
3 ramac
4 nal
5 minos
6 zerum
7 oige
8 dene
9 tipre
10 cure

[ʃan kɔp ve raˈmak nal miˈnɔs zeˈrœ̃ ɥaʒ dɛn tiˈper kyr]

Palethian:
0 sáne
1 kua
2 be
3 rama
4 nau
5 mino
6 sere
7 jai
8 die
9 tipu
10 kiu

[ˈsane ku̯a be ɹaˈma nau̯ miˈno seˈɹe ʒai̯ dʒe tʃiˈpu ki̯u]

Eltanian:
0 xan
1 kup
2 veh
3 rank
4 nal
5 mins
6 zere
7 jaj
8 di
9 tipper
10 kir

[ʃɑn kʊp ve ʁɑŋk nɑl mɪns zeɾə ʒɑʒ di ˈtɪpəɾ kɪɾ]

EDIT: fixed some IPA

EDIT: added IPA for a number one that was missing
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Proto-Šin:
1: [wʌk.te]
2: [to.two]
3: [tiz]
4: [pwi.twi]
5: [pwɪt.maɪ]
6: [zis]
7: [zo.to]
8: [ʌk.∫o]
9: [i.win]
10: [ʌ.so.ɸiɸ]
11: [aɢ.θoθ]
12: [paʊsk]
(Edit : added . to split up syllables)
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Numbers in some of my conlangs

Nåmuþ:

1 - še
2 - ñi
3 - vås
4 - bu
5 - då
6 - es
7 - ñem
8 - huþ
9 - nik
10 - ro

Obviously related to Arzena's Neirre Wippwo language.

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Šin:
1: [i.ʌk.te]
2: [tɛ.ti.ɛ]
3: [tiz]
4: [pi.i.ti.i]
5: [pi.ɪt.maɪ]
6: [zis]
7: [zɛ.tɛ]
8: [ʌk.∫ɛ]
9. [iʔ.iʔ.in]
10: [ʌ.sɛ.xix]
11: [aɢ.θɛθ]
12: [pa.ɛsk]

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Thank you for sending numbers from your conlangs
I would like to say that I have just raised numbers in 9,000 conlangs.
I will try to send all the names conlangs from which I have numbers in my collection so far in one of the threads on the ZBB (Conlagery & Conworlds) in the future.
But I have to say that it will take time since I put forward the names of more than 9,000 languages. As soon as possible I'm finished. I would also like to say that every month I get almost 100 new conlangs.

I wish you a lot of success at your works!

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Today 21.1.2014 my collection includes: I have data for numbers from 21518 ways (both languages. conlangs and natlangs, their dialects, subdialects,... additional versions.

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