Romanization challenge thread

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Speaking of things people wrote a year ago. This needs to be done again. Holy carpe diem.
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Or it was meant to be. But it's no match for those Esmelthien just posted. Damn, now I want to make a conlang out of this.

Consonants
/m n~ŋ5/
/pʼ pʰ b̥13~kʼ4 kʼʷ23~kʰ41,3~ɡ̊1,4 ʔ/
/p͡ɸʼ t͡sʼ k͜xʼ4/
/t͡ɬʼ3~k͜ʟ̝ʼ4/
/ɸ β s z ç3~x4 ʝ34 ɦ̥1/
6~ʎ̝7~ɬˠ8/
/r/
/j ɥ ʍ ɰ w/
/l678/
1These are slack voiced. I don't know if ɦ̥ is actually possible.
2This could described as /kʼw/, but it's realized as [kʼʷ] while [kʼw] is not possible.
3Only occurs before front vowels or /ə/ in onset, and after front vowels or /n̩ r̩ l̩/ in coda.
4Only occurs before back vowels, syllabic consonants or glides in onset, and after back vowels or /ə m̩/ in coda.
5Only occurs in coda before velar consonants or after back vowels.
6Only occurs in coda or before /ə/.
7Only occurs before front vowels or /j ɥ/ in onset, or before [ç ʝ ʎ̝ ʎ] in coda.
8Only occurs before back vowels or /ʍ ɰ w/ in onset, or before velar consonants in coda.

Vowels
/i y ɯ u/
/e ø ɤ o/
/ə/
/ɛ ɔ/
/a ɒ/

Diphthongs
/ei øi øy ɤɯ ɤu ou/
/ai ɒu/
/eɯ oy/
/aɯ au ɒi ɒy/

Syllabic consonants
/m̩ n̩~ŋ̍1 r̩ l̩~ɫ̩2~ɬ̩3~ɬ̩ˠ2,3/
1Only occurs before velar consonants.
2Only occurs before or after velar consonants.
3Only occurs after voiceless consonants in accentless syllables.

Pitch accent
/◌́ ◌̀ ◌/
There are two kinds of accented syllables, ones with high and ones with low pitch. There can be only one high pitch in a word, and it falls on one of the two first syllables. Low pitches there can be several of, even if there is also high pitch in the word, and they can appear on any syllable.

Syllable structure
O(G)V(C)
O = any consonant
G = j ɥ ʍ ɰ w
V = any vowel, diphthong or syllabic consonant
C = m n~ŋ pʰ b̥ tʰ~kʰ d̥~ɡ̊ ʔ ɸ β s z ç~x ʝ~ɣ ɬ~ʎ̝~ɬˠ r l~ʎ~ɫ
Glides can not follow after an ejective.
Two glides can't appear next to each other.
An unrounded glide can't appear between two rounded phonemes (bilabial consonants, labialized consonants, m̩, rounded vowels), except between two nucleuses.
Syllabic consonants don't occur before or after corresponding non-syllabic consonants.

Sample text
nɰɛ́kʰɔ̀ ʎjúɸ çí kʰɰúʎɛ̀ pʰumɒ́.
wɛ́ ɣɥyɫód̥e móu wánjɒʎyɰou.
βɔ́mjèsonwøì çetʰɛ́t͡sʼei nɛ́ɰɒt͡ɬʼwu tʰɛn wŕ̩ rə́ ʔìpʰɔ́b̥aɦ̥y ɦ̥ǿi.
βwǿ ɦ̥ə́kʼʷý ɫɰím?
tʰə̀kʰçýkʰo mwob̥sá d̥í çá kʰwíβ d̥ə̀b̥ɒ́ʍo.
tʰý ɸançá sɥǿç wú myʔí kʰjm̩wóupʰɔmimçe ʔɤ̀ɸúmd̥e ʍib̥ǿi βwý.
ɦ̥r̩wá nɰókʰɯ̀b̥çɛ jɒ́pʰ pʰiçý njə́.
b̥ùʍíɣjud̥àɥə b̥ɥɔ́ b̥ŕ̩ mjí ɡ̊ú ɫɒ́?
çǿɰèd̥i b̥ń̩ mɥó suʍó d̥ǿʍùpʰy mé ɦ̥jɔ́.
kʰúɰɯ̀ŋ wɯ́ mĺ̩ mé nopʰsé né.
b̥ə́ mɰə́ k͜ʟ̝ʼùmçýkʰu d̥ǿy míd̥ài ɦ̥ú.
sə̀ʔýwəβì mɰìmwú kʰʍǿy ɸet͡sʼɥí b̥ʍúx?
rəʔí mɯpʰímɥɔ ɫɰɛ́nomtʰitʰɰìb̥a d̥iwɤ́ɯ tʰǿi ɦ̥wý.
rʍáʝə̀ɡ̊ɥi zétʼì mjìmɛ́ sé pʼǿ mɥó βí mʍéɯnynpʰusxurɰo kʰʍáim suʔý.
xub̥çémwemɒ̀r b̥ɔ́ tʰə́ɡ̊wù wə̀jír b̥ý ɸú çə́mwùʔù?
mwɛ́ɸβɔ́jí múm sɥí sú mèmkʰʍájɛ̀ mouβɔ́pʰ?
mís b̥wɒwísoŋxɯ̀ɰə ɡ̊ɒ́mù mop͡ɸʼɛ́d̥ejɯŋ tʰə́nɥøpʰ ɥápʰùɡ̊ʍanwɤ̀ɯ.
mantʰé mwǿβò pʰwoɡ̊ɰə́n ɣwý ní.
njàɸwéɥaɡ̊ɥɒ míwỳ sjɛ̀mwá mímɔ d̥ɛ́ ɣwikʰjíɰu?
wóu mùβú wɔ̀rpʰə́ βɥḿ̩kʰʍùŋ k͜xʼɤɯnɥýtʰed̥ɛ ʔyb̥ú.
b̥wóu ʎý ɸɰə́rçə mə́ ɡ̊ʍéi pʰɰé tʰái.
kʼú kʰwèimrɔ́ ʎjɯ̀ɡ̊xɔ́sòʝaimø zə́ɬˠùkʰwaiɸəkʰɒ ʍýɫʍa ʍátʰɥànɥɛɡ̊ɰakʰjỳn kʰɰíɸ b̥wùnén pʰɥỳmxú?
ʍə́ xúm βóŋ ɡ̊jú b̥jɯ̀sçý ʍemtʰámr̩ɰà.
ɰí. ɥí mɛ̀xɯ́ ʝý kʰɰúpʰ βɛb̥ɰə́sènəb̥ɯ̀.
ɡ̊úmè mʍíd̥xɯ̀mɔmwɔ b̥ʍíɥɔxod̥ìmʍì nə̀mí sə̀ʔáu mø̀imɯ́.
wéi sɛnínøʔɯkʰwo sýn ʔáipʰa mɰə̀ʍó kʰɥú.
jimáixɬ̩ˠm tʰái βjiɡ̊wí máin nɒ̀msá.
wínɤ̀ sɒ́βpʰɥù b̥í tʰé mʍǿʔɛsà ném.
ɡ̊ɰúkʰòuxɤ̀ɯçer mòmíɸɯ b̥ɥúnɥɛ̀ méb̥ ɰə́m d̥í.
also, cross post of my own from phonologyies

/m n n̠/
/mbʙ ndr n̠d̠r̠/
/p t t̠ k/
/ɺ̠/
/i i: u u:/
/a a: /

/ndra: n̠d̠r̠ap ma tu:n̠t̠ u:mbʙa in̠d̠r̠ut̠aɺ̠ n̠i/
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R.Rusanov wrote:
rusanov, english has a /g/
... I'm aware of that?

Your proposal would transcribe "the" as "дьы" ўьч айм шър ю кѣн си ьз рьдькюлъс
дъы. энд ю кыд джыст драп дъ <ы>
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Nortaneous wrote:
R.Rusanov wrote:
rusanov, english has a /g/
... I'm aware of that?

Your proposal would transcribe "the" as "дьы" ўьч айм шър ю кѣн си ьз рьдькюлъс
дъы. энд ю кыд джыст драп дъ <ы>
Moreover, there's nothing wrong with ьы. Udmurt deals with monstrosities such as ньыльын.

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There's nothing "wrong" with writing 'dog' as ddijgh either, yet why not avoid ridiculous combinations if you can?
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Nortaneous wrote:Since this will get nowhere without one to start it off: Hmong Daw
/pʰ p pˡʰ pˡ tʰ t ʈʰ t cʰ c kʰ k qʰ q ʔ/
/ᵐpʰ ᵐb ᵐpˡʰ ᵐbˡ ⁿtʰ ⁿd ᶯʈʰ ᶯɖ ᶮcʰ ᶮɟ ᵑkʰ ᵑɡ ᶰqʰ ᶰɢ/
/tsʰ ts tʂʰ tʂ/
/ⁿtsʰ ⁿdz ⁿtʂʰ ⁿdʐ/
/f v s ɬ ʂ ʐ ç ʝ h/
/m̥ m m̥ˡ mˡ n̥ n ɲ̥ ɲ/
/a e ẽ~ʌŋ ɔ ɔ̃~oŋ i ɨ u/
/ai aɨ au iə uə/
Tones: high, mid, low, high falling, mid rising, low creaky, mid-falling breathy (pɔ́ pɔ pɔ̀ pɔ̂ pɔ̌ pɔ̰̀ pɔ̤̂)
Low creaky tone is realized phrase-finally as a long low rising tone.

Example: tʰa̰u˩ tsɔ̤˧˩ pe˥ ca̤u˧˩ la̰ɨ˩ saɨ˧˦ daɨ˩ tʰiə˥˧ tau n̥a˧˦ kʰau˥ ᶮcaɨ˩ tʂʰi̤ə˧˩. ʝa̰˩ ʐɔ̃ tʂʰa˥˧ pˡaɨ˩ ma˩, ne˥˧ ʝuə˧˦ tʂṵ˩ mu˩ ᶯʈʰiə˧˦ nṳ˧˩ çuə˩ sai˥ lṳə˧˩ muə˥˧ ke˧˦ pa˧˩ hɔ̰˩ da˧˩ tʂi ɲo˧˩ ᶮɟi̤˧˩ i˧˩ cʰẽ˥ tʂa̰˩ ⁿda̰ɨ˩ ne˥˧.
My screenreading program doesn't read IPA, so I'd like to know if someone could translate this inventory into X-Sampa (and, if possible, others in the first few pages of the thread).

Thanks. :)

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/p_h p p_l_h p_l t_h t t`_h t c_h c k_h k q_h q ?/
/mp_h mb mp_l_h mb_l nt_h nd n`t`_h n`d` Jc_h JJ\ Nk_h Ng N\q_h N\G\/
/ts_h ts ts`_h ts`/
/nts_h ndz nts`_h ndz`/
/f v s K s` z` C j\ h/
/m_0 m m_0_l m_l n_0 n J_0 J/
/a e e~ O O~ i 1 u/
/ai a1 au i@ u@/
Tones: high, mid, low, high falling, mid rising, low creaky, mid-falling breathy (pO_H pO pO_L pO_F pO_R pO_k_L pO_t_F)
Low creaky tone is realized phrase-finally as a long low rising tone.

Example: t_ha_ku_B tsO_t_M_B pe_T ca_tu_M_B la_k1_B sa1_M_H da1_B t_hi@_T_M tau n_0a_M_H k_hau_T Jca1_B ts`_hi@_t_M_B. j\a_k_B z`O~ ts`_ha_T_M p_la1_B ma_B, ne_T_M j\u@_M_H ts`u_k_B mu_B n`t`_hi@_M_H nu_t_M_B Cu@_B sai_T lu@_t_M_B mu@_T_M ke_M_H pa_M_B hO_k_B da_M_B ts`i Jo_M_B JJ\i_t_M_B i_M_B c_he~_T ts`a_k_B nda_k1_B ne_T_M.

http://www.theiling.de/cgi/cxs-ipa.cgi can convert IPA to X-SAMPA
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My attempt in the recent Cyrillisation of English. Nothing too serious, just a little something:

English ~ ингиш

/p b t d tʃ dʒ k g/ <п б т д ч џ к г>
/m n ŋ/ <м н н~ҥ*> *н before к or г, otherwise ҥ
/f v θ ð s z ʃ ʒ h/ <ф в ҫ ҙ с з ш ж х>
/w r l j/ <ў р л й>

/ɪ i: ɪər ɨ ʊ u: ʊər/ <и ий ир ы у уў ур>
/ɛ eɪ ɛər ə ər ɔ: oʊ ɔər/ <е ей ер ь ьр о оў ор>
/æ ɑ: ɑr ʌ ɜr ɒ/ <э а ар ъ ър ӑ*> *as much as I don't like this, it does fit with ў and й, even if they're consonants.
/ɑɪ ɑʊ ɔɪ ju:/ <ай аў ой ю>

Vowel reduction is not written. Instead, the underlying vowel is written, thus <хюмэн> and <хюмэнити> as opposed to <хюмьн> and <хюмэньти>. Consonant alternations, e.g. z~ʒ in seize~seizure, are, on the other hand, written, therefore <сийз> vs. <сийжьр>.

Words such as “the”, “a”, “an”, etc. which have two different pronunciations depending on emphasis or the initial sound of a following word, e.g. /ðə mæn/ vs. /ði: ɛnd/ are written according to the stressed pronunciation. /ði:/, however, is written <ҙи> as opposed to <ҙий> unless it is being emphasised.

EDIT: I've been thinking that for the sake of orthographic symmetry /ju:/ could be written <еў>, so we get <хеўмэн> and <хеўмэнити>. It'd then fill the gap in <ай аў ой оў ей __ уў ий>.

I had been thinking of doing a similar thing with <э а ар>, possibly <э эь эр> or <а аь ар> but that just seemed too forced a use of <ь> so I dropped the idea.
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/m n n̠/ m n y
/mbʙ ndr n̠d̠r̠/ b d z
/p t t̠ k/ p t c k
/ɺ̠/ r
/i i: u u:/ ı í u ú
/a a:/ a á

Dá zap ma túyc úba ızutar yı.
/ndra: n̠d̠r̠ap ma tu:n̠t̠ u:mbʙa in̠d̠r̠ut̠aɺ̠ n̠i/

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2+3's less challenging one:

(heavily influenced by Click's romanisation)

/m n n̠/ m n y (/n̠t̠/ is nc unless 2+3 says it contrasts with nt̠)
/mbʙ ndr n̠d̠r̠/ b d r
/p t t̠ k/ p t c k
/ɺ̠/ l

/i i: u u:/ i ii u uu or e i o u
/a a:/ a aa or a á

Daa rap ma tuunc uuba irucal yi.

Dá rap ma tunc uba erocal ye.

/ndra: n̠d̠r̠ap ma tu:n̠t̠ u:mbʙa in̠d̠r̠ut̠aɺ̠ n̠i/
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But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
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Another little something I'm trying out:

/t tʲ tɬ k kʷ kʲ q qʷ ʔ/
/b d dʲ dɮ g gʷ gʲ/
/m n nʲ ŋʷ ŋʲ/ (N)
/s sʲ ɬ x xʷ xʲ h/ (F)
/r rʲ l lʲ/ (G)
/ɰ~w* j/ (G) *[ɰ] is the default pronunciation while [w] occurs when the adjacent consonants are labial or labialised

/i i: ĩ u u: ũ/
/e e: ə/
/a a: ã/

C(F1)(G1)V(G2/N/F2)(C2)

F1 can only occur after plosives and other fricatives while G1 can follow plosives, nasals and fricatives.

Any consonant can be a syllable coda, but F1 can only precede plosives and other fricatives, G2 can precede plosives, fricatives and nasals and N can precede plosives and fricatives, assimilating for POA.

Any vowel, short long or nasal, can occur in the syllable nucleus.

Consonant clusters must match in secondary articulation within a syllable.

And a randomly thrown together sample:

/ŋʲwen.dɮã.hu qʷi:rʲsʲkʲ.tu: ma:kʷ qe:lʲ.bəsd tɬjugʷ.ʔawdʲ xʷũŋʷgʷ hrĩd.bãsʲ/
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
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/m n n̠/ <m n ñ>
/mbʙ ndr n̠d̠r̠/ <b d j>
/p t t̠ k/ <p t c k>
/ɺ̠/ <r>
/i i: u u:/ <e i o u>
/a a:/ <a â>

Dâ jap ma tuñc uba ejocar ñe.
/ndra: n̠d̠r̠ap ma tu:n̠t̠ u:mbʙa in̠d̠r̠ut̠aɺ̠ n̠i/

----

/t tʲ tɬ k kʷ kʲ q qʷ ʔ/ <t ty tl k kw ky q qw 7>
/b d dʲ dɮ g gʷ gʲ/ <b d dy dl g gw gy>
/m n nʲ ŋʷ ŋʲ/ <m n ñ ngw ng>
/s sʲ ɬ x xʷ xʲ h/ <s sy c x xw xy h>
/r rʲ l lʲ/ <r ry l ly>
/ɰ~w* j/ <w y>

/i i: ĩ u u: ũ/ <i ī į u ū ų>
/e e: ə/ <e ē o>
/a a: ã/ <a ā ą>

Secondary articulation markers always directly proceed the vowel where possible. Only one per cluster. If Cj contrasts with Cʲ, the former has ÿ.

Ngwyendląhu qwīrskytu mākw qēlybosd tlÿugw. 7awdy xwųnggw hrįdbąsy.
/ŋʲwen.dɮã.hu qʷi:rʲsʲkʲ.tu: ma:kʷ qe:lʲ.bəsd tɬjugʷ.ʔawdʲ xʷũŋʷgʷ hrĩd.bãsʲ/

Or:

/t tʲ tɬ k kʷ kʲ q qʷ ʔ/ <т ть тԓ к кв кь ӄ ӄв ӏ>
/b d dʲ dɮ g gʷ gʲ/ <б д дл г гв гь>
/m n nʲ ŋʷ ŋʲ/ <м н нь ӈв ӈь>
/s sʲ ɬ x xʷ xʲ h/ <с сь ԓ х хв хь h>
/r rʲ l lʲ/ <р рь л ль>
/ɰ~w* j/ <в й>

/i i: ĩ u u: ũ/ <и ии ӥ у уу ӱ>
/e e: ə/ <е ее о>
/a a: ã/ <а аа ӓ>

Ӈвендлӓhу ӄвыырскьтуу маакв ӄээльбосд тԓъюгв. ӏавдь хвӱӈгв hрӹдбäсь.
/ŋʲwen.dɮã.hu qʷi:rʲsʲkʲ.tu: ma:kʷ qe:lʲ.bəsd tɬjugʷ.ʔawdʲ xʷũŋʷgʷ hrĩd.bãsʲ/
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Afrikaans

Vowels:
i iː y yː u uː ɛ~æ ɛː~æː œ œː ɔ ɔː a aː ə
əi\ɛi œi œu oə\o: øə\ø: eə\e: ai
Consonants:
p b t d f v k χ h j r l m n ŋ s
Marginal:
ʔ ɡ ʃ ʒ tʃ dʒ
From here and here.

Example:
/viʒyːˈeəɫ xut çeəɫ ˈjiːsœs lif ˈkaxəɫˈvaːtər fits sɨŋ noːi /
Edit:
/məi pɛn vɑs ən məi ɦɑnt./
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Afrikaans

Vowels:
/i iː y yː u uː ɛ~æ ɛː~æː œ œː ɔ ɔː a aː ə/ <i ii y yy u uu ɛ æ œ û ɔ ɔɔ a aa c>
/əi\ɛi œi œu oə\o: øə\ø: eə\e: ai/ < ci œi œu oc øc ec ai>
Consonants:
/p b t d f v k χ h j r l m n ŋ s/ <p b t d f v k x h j r l m n ng s>
Marginal:
/ʔ ɡ ʃ ʒ tʃ dʒ/ <q g sj zj tj dj>

Example:
/viʒyːˈeəɫ xut çeəɫ ˈjiːsœs lif ˈkaxəɫˈvaːtər fits sɨŋ noːi /
<vizjyyecl xut xecl jiisœs lif kaxcl vaatcr fits sing nooi>
/məi pɛn vɑs ən məi ɦɑnt/
Mci pɛn vas cn mci hant.
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Afrikaans:
i iː y yː u uː ɛ~æ ɛː~æː œ œː ɔ ɔː a aː ə <i ie ü üü u ou ä ää ö öö o oo a aa e>
əi\ɛi œi œu oə\o: øə\ø: eə\e: ai <ei oi ou oa öa ea ai>
Consonants:
p b t d f v k χ h j r l m n ŋ s <p b t d f v k g h j r l m n ng s>
Marginal:
ʔ ɡ ʃ ʒ tʃ dʒ <0 gh sj zj tj dj>

Example:
/viʒyːˈeəɫ xut çeəɫ ˈjiːsœs lif ˈkaxəɫˈvaːtər fits sɨŋ noːi /
Vizjüüeal gut geal Jiisös lif kagelvaater fitz sing nooi.
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Afrikaans

Vowels:
/i iː y yː u uː ɛ~æ ɛː~æː œ œː ɔ ɔː a aː ə/ <i ie ü üe u ue e ee ö öe o oe a ae y/e>
/əi\ɛi œi œu oə\o: øə\ø: eə\e: ai/ <ei öi öu oy öy ey ai>
Consonants:
/p b t d f v k χ h j r l m n ŋ s/ <p b t d f w c ch h i/j r l m ng s>
Marginal:
/ʔ ɡ ʃ ʒ tʃ dʒ/ <q g sj zj tsh dzh>

Example:
/viʒyːˈeəɫ xut çeəɫ ˈjiːsœs lif ˈkaxəɫˈvaːtər fits sɨŋ noːi/
<Wizjüeeyl chut cheyl jiesös lif kachelwaeter fits sing noei.>

/məi pɛn vɑs ən məi ɦɑnt/
<Mei pen was yn mei hant.>
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Riograndenser Hunsrückisch

/p b t d k g/
/pf ts tʃ dʒ/
/f v s z ʃ ʒ x h/
/m n ŋ/
/l j r/
/a ɑ ɛ ø o~ɔ ɪ i y u/
/ai au ɛɪ eɪ ey øy/

tø sɪn tɪ gansɛ lait uf kɛʃti, hon jɛɪsus pɪs pɪlatos gɛnom un hon ɑn gɛfaŋ ɑn sɛ keɪvɛ un sɑrɛː mɛijɛr hon tø tɛ man ɑn gɛtrof unsɛr folɛk am uf heɪtsɛ. tɛɪ ɪs tɛ kɛɪxɛ ɛm kaisɛr ʃtaijɛr pɛtsɑlɛ un sɑt veɪjɛr tɛ mɛisijas un kɛɪnɪx. tø hot tɛ pɪlatos gɛfrøtː pɪʃt tu tɛ jutɛ sainɛ kɛɪnɪx? ɪs vøyr, hot jɛɪsus gɛantvort. tø hot pɪlatos fɛr tɛ høxɛ pristɛr un tsum folɛk gɛsɑtː ɪx kan kɛɪ ʃult an teɪm man fɪnɛ! avɛr ti hon ɑn gɛhal un hon gɛsɑtː tɛɪ tyt unortnuŋ ɑn rɪxtɛ unɪx ɛm folɛk mɪt sain untrɪxt ɪvɛrɑl ɪn jutɛɪja. ɪn galɪlɛɪja hot ɛr ɑn gɛfaŋ, un jɛɪts ɪs ɛr tø pai uns.
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/p b t d k g/ <p b t d k g>
/pf ts tʃ dʒ/ <pf tz tsch dsch>
/f v s z ʃ ʒ x h/ <f w s z sch zsch ch h>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/l j r/ <l j r>
/a ɑ ɛ ø o~ɔ ɪ i y u/ <a å e ö o i ie ü u>
/ai au ɛɪ eɪ ey øy/ <ei au ë ä eu äu>

Tö sin ti ganse leit uf keschtie, hon Jësus pis Pilatos genom un hon ån gefang ån se gäwe un såre: Mëjer hon tö te man ån getrof unser folek am uf hätze. Të is te gëche em keiser schteijer petzåle un såt wäjer te Mësiejas un Kënich. Tö hot te Pilatos gefröt: Pischt tu te Jute seine Kënich? Is wäur, hot Jësus geantwort. Tö hot Pilatos fer te höche priester un tzum folek gesåt: Ich kan kë schult an täm man fine! Awer tie hon ån gehal un hon gesåt: Të tüt unortnung ån richte unich em folek mit sein untricht iwerål in Jutëja. In Galilëja hot er an gefang, un jëtz is er tö pei uns.
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Riograndenser Hunsrückisch

as Dutch*

p b t d k g
pf ts tj dj
f v s z sh zh ch h
m n ng
l j r
aa a e eu o i ie u oe
ai au ij ei uu ui

also replaced all resulting jj with just j.

teu sin ti gaanse lait oef keshtie, hon jijsoes pis pilaatos genom oen hon an gefaang an se keive oen saree mijer hon teu te maan an getrof oenser folek aam oef heitse. tij is te kijche em kaiser shtaijer petsale oen sat veijer te mijsiejaas oen kijnich. teu hot te pilaatos gefreutt pisht toe te joete saine kijnich? is vuir, hot jijsoes geaantvort. teu hot pilaatos fer te heuche priester oen tsoem folek gesatt ich kaan kij shoelt aan teim maan fine! aaver tie hon an gehaal oen hon gesatt tij tut oenortnoeng an richte oenich em folek mit sain oentricht iveral in joetijaa. in gaalilijaa hot er an gefaang, oen jijts is er teu pai oens

* i do realise there's a significant chance that it is basically dutch anyway but

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/i iː y yː u uː ɛ~æ ɛː~æː œ œː ɔ ɔː a aː ə/ <i ie~ii* ü üö~üü* u uo~uu* ä ää ö öö o oo a aa e> *before hiatus.
/əi\ɛi œi œu oə\o: øə\ø: eə\e: ai/ <ei öi öü oe öe ee ai>

/p b t d f v k χ h j r l m n ŋ s/ <p b t d f v k g h j r l m ng s>

/ʔ ɡ ʃ ʒ tʃ dʒ/ <_ g sj~s zj~z tj~ts dj~dz> Optionally unambiguous

Example:
/viʒyːˈeəɫ xut çeəɫ ˈjiːsœs lif ˈkaxəɫˈvaːtər fits sɨŋ noːi/
Viz(j)üüeel gut geel jiesös lif kagelvaater fits sing nooi.

/məi pɛn vɑs ən məi ɦɑnt/
Mei pän was en mei hant.


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Riograndenser Hunsrückisch

/p b t d k g/ <p b t d k g>
/pf ts tʃ dʒ/ <pf tz tsch dsch>
/f v s z ʃ ʒ x h/ <f w s z sch zsch ch h>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/l j r/ <l j r>
/a ɑ ɛ ø o~ɔ ɪ i y u/ <ä a e ö o i ie ü u>
/ai au ɛɪ eɪ ey øy/ <ai au äi ei eu äu>

Tö sin ti gänse lait uf keschtie, hon jäisus pis pilätos genom un hon an gefäng an se keiwe un sareː mäijer hon tö te män an getrof unser folek äm uf heitze. täi is te käiche em kaiser schtaijer petzale un sat weijer te mäisijäs un käinich. Tö hot te pilätos gefrötː pischt tu te jute saine käinich? Is wäur, hot jäisus geäntwort. tö hot pilätos fer te höche priester un tzum folek gesatː ich kän käi schult än teim män fine! Äwer tie hon an gehäl un hon gesatː täi tüt unortnung an richte unich em folek mit sain untricht iweral in jutäija. In gäliläijä hot er an gefäng, un jäitz is er tö pai uns.


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My thing

/t tʲ tɬ k kʷ kʲ q qʷ ʔ/ <t ti~it tl k ku ki~ik q qu~ug '>
/b d dʲ dɮ g gʷ gʲ/ <b d di~id dl g gu~ug gi~ig>
/m n nʲ ŋ ŋʷ ŋʲ/ <m n ni~in ng ngu~ung ngi~ing>
/s sʲ ɬ x xʷ xʲ h/ <s si~is j ju~uj ji~ij h>
/r rʲ l lʲ/ <r ri~ir l li~il>
/ɰ~w* j/ <w y>

/i i: ĩ u u: ũ/ <e é ę o ó ǫ>
/e e: ə/ <ä a̋ ë~0> /ə/ is unwritten when between two consonant (clusters) with secondary articulation, e.g. /kʷətʷ/ <kut>, /ŋʲəxʷ/ <ngiuh>, etc.
/a a: ã/ <a á ą>

/ŋʲwen.dɮã.hu qʷi:rʲsʲkʲ.tu: ma:kʷ qe:lʲ.bəsd tɬjugʷ.ʔawdʲ xʷũŋʷgʷ hrĩd.bãsʲ/
Ngwiändląhu quéirsktó máuk qa̋ilbësd tlyoug. 'aiwd huǫungg hrędbąis.
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/t tʲ tɬ k kʷ kʲ q qʷ ʔ/ <t t tl k k k q q '>
/b d dʲ dɮ g gʷ gʲ/ <b d d dl g g g>
/m n nʲ ŋʷ ŋʲ/ <m n n ng ng>
/s sʲ ɬ x xʷ xʲ h/ <s s ll x x x h>
/r rʲ l lʲ/ <r r l l>
/ɰ~w* j/ <w j>

uh the system i want to use for the vowels is too complicated to list properly but basically involves a gaelic–style i/e are palatal, u/o are labial, a is neutral where needed (you don't need to insert it where the consonant can never be palatalised and/or labialised but you do need to insert it in case of a three way contrast). of course there's always ambiguity. the following basic vowels are used:
/i i: ĩ u u: ũ/ <i í į u ú ų>
/e e: ə/ <e é o>
/a a: ã/ <a á ą>
/ŋʲwen.dɮã.hu qʷi:rʲsʲkʲ.tu: ma:kʷ qe:lʲ.bəsd tɬjugʷ.ʔawdʲ xʷũŋʷgʷ hrĩd.bãsʲ/
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Riograndenser Hunsrückisch

/p b t d k g/ <p b t d c g>
/pf ts tʃ dʒ/ <pf ts ch j>
/f v s z ʃ ʒ x h/ <f v s z sch zh x h>
/m n ŋ/ <m n gn>
/l j r/ <l y r>
/a ɑ ɛ ø o~ɔ ɪ i y u/ <a a e ö o i i ü u>
/ai au ɛɪ eɪ ey øy/ <ai au ei ei eü öü>

tø sɪn tɪ gansɛ lait uf kɛʃti, hon jɛɪsus pɪs pɪlatos gɛnom un hon ɑn gɛfaŋ ɑn sɛ keɪvɛ un sɑrɛː mɛijɛr hon tø tɛ man ɑn gɛtrof unsɛr folɛk am uf heɪtsɛ. tɛɪ ɪs tɛ kɛɪxɛ ɛm kaisɛr ʃtaijɛr pɛtsɑlɛ un sɑt veɪjɛr tɛ mɛisijas un kɛɪnɪx. tø hot tɛ pɪlatos gɛfrøtː pɪʃt tu tɛ jutɛ sainɛ kɛɪnɪx? ɪs vøyr, hot jɛɪsus gɛantvort. tø hot pɪlatos fɛr tɛ høxɛ pristɛr un tsum folɛk gɛsɑtː ɪx kan kɛɪ ʃult an teɪm man fɪnɛ! avɛr ti hon ɑn gɛhal un hon gɛsɑtː tɛɪ tyt unortnuŋ ɑn rɪxtɛ unɪx ɛm folɛk mɪt sain untrɪxt ɪvɛrɑl ɪn jutɛɪja. ɪn galɪlɛɪja hot ɛr ɑn gɛfaŋ, un jɛɪts ɪs ɛr tø pai uns.

<Tö sin ti ganse lait uf ceschti, hon Yeisus pis Pilatos genom un hon an gefagn an se ceive un sare: meiyer hon tö te man an getrof unser folec am uf heitse. Tei is te ceixe em Caiser schtaiyer petsale un sat veiyer te meisiyas un Ceinix. Tö hot te Pilatos gefröt: pischt tu te Yute saine Ceinix? Is vöür, hot Yeisus geantvort. Tö hot Pilatos fer te höxe prister un tsum folec gesatt ix can cei schult an teim man fine! Aver ti hon an gehal un hon gesat: tei tüt unortnugn an rixte unix em folec mit sain untrixt iveral in Yuteiya. In Galileiya hot er an gefagn, un yeits is er tö pai uns.>

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/t tʲ tɬ k kʷ kʲ q qʷ ʔ/ <t tj thl k kv kj c cv q>
/b d dʲ dɮ g gʷ gʲ/ <b d dj dhl g gv gj>
/m n nʲ ŋ ŋʷ ŋʲ/ <m n nj ŋ ŋv ŋj>
/s sʲ ɬ x xʷ xʲ h/ <s sj hl x xv xj h>
/r rʲ l lʲ/ <r rj l lj>
/ɰ~w* j/ <v j>

/i i: ĩ u u: ũ/ <i ī ĩ u ū ũ>
/e e: ə/ <e ē a/e>
/a a: ã/ <a ā ã>

/ŋʲwen.dɮã.hu qʷi:rʲsʲkʲ.tu: ma:kʷ qe:lʲ.bəsd tɬjugʷ.ʔawdʲ xʷũŋʷgʷ hrĩd.bãsʲ/
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/p b t d k g/ p b t d k g
/pf ts tʃ dʒ/ pf z/tz zh/tzh dzh
/f v s z ʃ ʒ x h/ f v s sz sch szh ch h
/m n ŋ/ m n ng
/l j r/ l j r
/a ɑ ɛ ø o~ɔ ɪ i y u/ a â e ö o i ie ü u
/ai au ɛɪ eɪ ey øy/ ai au ei î eu öu
ij after a vowel becomes j, iej becomes ij.

Tö sin ti ganse lait uf keschtie, hon Jeisus pis Pilatos genom un hon ân gefang ân se kîve un sare: mejer jon tö te man ân getrof unser folek am uf hîtze. Tei is te keiche em Kaiser schtajer petzâle un sât vejer te Meisijas un Keinich. Tö hot te Pilatos gefröt: Pischt tu te jute saine Keinich? Is vöur, hot Jeisus geantvort. Tö hot Pilatos fer te höche prister un zum folek gesât: ich kan kei schult an tîm man fine! Aver tie hon ân gehal un hon gesât: tei tüt unortnung ân richte unich em folek mit sain untricht iverâl in Juteja. In Galileja hot er ân gefang, in jeitz is er tö pai uns.

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A bit late for this, but English:

/p b t d tʃ dʒ k g/ <p b t d c j k g>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ŋ>
/f v θ ð s z ʃ ʒ h/ <f v þ ð s z x ж h>
/w r l j/ <w r l y>

/ɪ i: ɪər ɨ ʊ u: ʊər/ <i y ir a u w>
/ɛ eɪ ɛər ə ər ɔ: oʊ ɔər/ <e ey er a r o ew or>
/æ ɑ: ɑr ʌ ɜr ɒ/ <æ ā ār a r o>
/ɑɪ ɑʊ ɔɪ ju:/ <ay aw oy yw>

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good lord no
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Nortaneous wrote:good lord no
care to be more specific?

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