You still have different roots for different persons. And affixes! Why is the normal present paradigm so irregular?
To make it clear: in all real languages that have it, a triconsonantal root system is purely derivational morphology. It is not a system of fancy infixes, and indeed such a system would have a very low, if not zero, chance of arising in natural languages. The only root alteration you might coceivably have in a single TAM paradigm is if some sort of plurality is marked this way; but I suspect that this would take the form of something like a pluractional "aspect" which does not interface well with the TAM system I see coming over the horizon here.
Quite frankly if I were you I would not do this. A huge percentage of noobs make triconsonantal root languages, which almost always end up as A PATTERN IS A CONJUGATION and even if they don't they are never very good for the simple reason that their creators are awesomely inexperienced. The only good one I know of is Mec's but he had the good sense of making it a posteriori (and knowing a lot about Semitic languages).
In fact, if I were you I would be working on a completely different language. Conlanging (and conworlding!) is hard, and if you start doing your main things at this point you will either finish by scrapping and remaking everything several times in frustration or you will end up like zompist. Read things (WALS and linguistics articles on Wikipedia are a good place to start), make languages that you are comfortable with scrapping (now that we have the miniature conlangs thread you can also post random ideas), and above all, be patient.
YHXKK VŘḴHẔY (Yaxkik Vřḵaẕī) scratchpad
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Re: YHXKK VŘḴHẔY (Yaxkik Vřḵaẕī) scratchpad
陳第 wrote:蓋時有古今,地有南北;字有更革,音有轉移,亦勢所必至。
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Re: YHXKK VŘḴHẔY (Yaxkik Vřḵaẕī) scratchpad
I have to atleast try
Oh, and the actual pattern isn't irregular; I reordered them afterwords.
CVCC is for 1st person singular and plural
CVCVC is for 2nd person singular and plural
CCVC is for 3rd person singular and plural
Oh, and the actual pattern isn't irregular; I reordered them afterwords.
CVCC is for 1st person singular and plural
CVCVC is for 2nd person singular and plural
CCVC is for 3rd person singular and plural
ʾAšol ḵavad pulqam ʾifbižen lav ʾifšimeḻ lit maseḡrad lav lit n͛ubad. ʾUpulasim ṗal sa-panžun lav sa-ḥadṇ lav ṗal šarmaḵeš lit ʾaẏṭ waẏyadanun wižqanam.
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Re: YHXKK VŘḴHẔY (Yaxkik Vřḵaẕī) scratchpad
...You're still doing the pattern-for-person thing. A wise woman once said:
To put it bluntly of all the things to be indicated by pattern changes, person marking is the least likely to be; I would even go as far to say that the best idea is to treat it as completely impossible.A Wise Woman wrote:See there's two different morphologies - derivational and inflectional. And while it's understandable to conflate them, it's really not a good idea to.
陳第 wrote:蓋時有古今,地有南北;字有更革,音有轉移,亦勢所必至。
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Re: YHXKK VŘḴHẔY (Yaxkik Vřḵaẕī) scratchpad
Maybe I should do Pattern-For-Tense-And-Number
ʾAšol ḵavad pulqam ʾifbižen lav ʾifšimeḻ lit maseḡrad lav lit n͛ubad. ʾUpulasim ṗal sa-panžun lav sa-ḥadṇ lav ṗal šarmaḵeš lit ʾaẏṭ waẏyadanun wižqanam.
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Re: YHXKK VŘḴHẔY (Yaxkik Vřḵaẕī) scratchpad
I would recommend taking a closer look at this post and this one too. The first is the list of all the derivations of Hebrew K-T-V, the second is the conjugation of the verb kotev 'write', the declension of the adjective gadol 'big', and the declension of the noun chodesh 'month'. Note particularly the presence of the same suffix for the plural adjectives, the plural present verbs, and the non-singular non-genitive noun. Note also the relative invariability of the patterns. All of chodesh's declension bar one form is based on chodesh-.
Edit: Look here for some derivational morphology, though the thread is full of stuff.
Edit: Look here for some derivational morphology, though the thread is full of stuff.
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Do you think I'm off to a good start?
V-T-R - weild
Ḵ-V-N - kill
**************Infinitive***************
YaCōCīCa
Yavōtīra
Yaḵōvīna
*************Imperfective*************
Past;
Singular:
CēCaCa
Vētara
Ḵēvana
Plural:
CīCCam
Vītram
Ḵīvnam
Present;
Singular:
CēCoC
Vētor
Ḵēvon
Plural:
CīCCab
Vītrab
Ḵīvnab
Future;
Singular:
CēCīCū
Vētīrū
Ḵēvīnū
Plural:
CīCCoy
Vītroy
Ḵīvnoy
V-T-R - weild
Ḵ-V-N - kill
**************Infinitive***************
YaCōCīCa
Yavōtīra
Yaḵōvīna
*************Imperfective*************
Past;
Singular:
CēCaCa
Vētara
Ḵēvana
Plural:
CīCCam
Vītram
Ḵīvnam
Present;
Singular:
CēCoC
Vētor
Ḵēvon
Plural:
CīCCab
Vītrab
Ḵīvnab
Future;
Singular:
CēCīCū
Vētīrū
Ḵēvīnū
Plural:
CīCCoy
Vītroy
Ḵīvnoy
ʾAšol ḵavad pulqam ʾifbižen lav ʾifšimeḻ lit maseḡrad lav lit n͛ubad. ʾUpulasim ṗal sa-panžun lav sa-ḥadṇ lav ṗal šarmaḵeš lit ʾaẏṭ waẏyadanun wižqanam.
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Re: YHXKK VŘḴHẔY (Yaxkik Vřḵaẕī) scratchpad
You're not reading what others write, are you?
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One's telling me it's too hard for me to handle, at the very least suggesting I don't look into this.Aino Meilani wrote:You're not reading what others write, are you?
The other sent me various links, which I'm reading; I'm following the examples provided in that thread.
ʾAšol ḵavad pulqam ʾifbižen lav ʾifšimeḻ lit maseḡrad lav lit n͛ubad. ʾUpulasim ṗal sa-panžun lav sa-ḥadṇ lav ṗal šarmaḵeš lit ʾaẏṭ waẏyadanun wižqanam.
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Re: YHXKK VŘḴHẔY (Yaxkik Vřḵaẕī) scratchpad
I read the post looked up derivational morphology, I think I done good now.
I'ŀ be sure to add the roots later.
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This is verb conjugation, agrees with pronouns:
Masculine singular present verb
CēCoC
Feminine singular present verb
CēCoCīm
Masculine plural present verb
CīCCoy
Feminine plural present verb
CīCCab
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Example of derivational morphology:
TeCCūC - turns verb into tool
Teḵvūn - killing tool
Tezlūd - seeing tool
Teṇjūk - judging tool
Tevkūz - mastering tool
Teyoxūk - tongue tool
Texyūj - learning tool
Tetjūm - growing tool
CaCCik - turns root into system
Yaxkik - tongue system (language)
Ḵavnik - killing system (execution)
Gamtik - naming sytem
Tajmik - growing system (farming)
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Example sentences, word order is SOV:
ZY ḴTH DMTYY TJMK KWJ
(Zēy ḵūtah dometoyēy tūjmīk kēwoj)
I (male) about big dogs-read.
KWV TXYJ MGVM
(Kēwav texyūj mēgovīm)
You (female) the learning tool-invent.
XY TXYJ 'MGVN
(Xēy texyūj amgīvīn)
She the learning tool-invented.
I'ŀ be sure to add the roots later.
*******************************************
This is verb conjugation, agrees with pronouns:
Masculine singular present verb
CēCoC
Feminine singular present verb
CēCoCīm
Masculine plural present verb
CīCCoy
Feminine plural present verb
CīCCab
*******************************************
Example of derivational morphology:
TeCCūC - turns verb into tool
Teḵvūn - killing tool
Tezlūd - seeing tool
Teṇjūk - judging tool
Tevkūz - mastering tool
Teyoxūk - tongue tool
Texyūj - learning tool
Tetjūm - growing tool
CaCCik - turns root into system
Yaxkik - tongue system (language)
Ḵavnik - killing system (execution)
Gamtik - naming sytem
Tajmik - growing system (farming)
*********************************************
Example sentences, word order is SOV:
ZY ḴTH DMTYY TJMK KWJ
(Zēy ḵūtah dometoyēy tūjmīk kēwoj)
I (male) about big dogs-read.
KWV TXYJ MGVM
(Kēwav texyūj mēgovīm)
You (female) the learning tool-invent.
XY TXYJ 'MGVN
(Xēy texyūj amgīvīn)
She the learning tool-invented.
ʾAšol ḵavad pulqam ʾifbižen lav ʾifšimeḻ lit maseḡrad lav lit n͛ubad. ʾUpulasim ṗal sa-panžun lav sa-ḥadṇ lav ṗal šarmaḵeš lit ʾaẏṭ waẏyadanun wižqanam.
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