Substantial postings about constructed languages and constructed worlds in general. Good place to mention your own or evaluate someone else's. Put quick questions in C&C Quickies instead.
Sita hame śa mana mebammaci nukapódepa?
/sita xamɛ ɕa mana mɛβamːatsi nukapoðɛpa/ any other here person.NOM-NOM.SG farm-AGT-ABL.SG work-ABL.3RD.SG.C-NOM.3RD.SG.A-INT
Does anyone else here work as a farmer?
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fam ȃ? oēgk gko tȃ? mā gūmt mú thaŭ ra ao mú
[fam a˥] [œŋk˧ ŋko˧ tʼa˥] [ma˧ ŋymt˩ my˦ t̪ʼau˩ ra˩ ɔ˩ my˦] farmQPbe-ANIMwhat.ANIMQPis-always hunt-SENS 1PPtribe andEVID-1 1PP
Farm? What is this? My tribe and I always hunt.
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Native: English || Pretty decent: Ancient Greek || Alright: Ancient Hebrew || Eh: Welsh || Basic: Mandarin Chinese || Very basic: French, Latin, Nisuese, Apsish
Conlangs: Nisuese, Apsish, Kaptaran, Pseudo-Ligurian
Weta kåsut weta rys dei hébeluśitei.
/wɛta kɒsut wɛta rys ðɛi̯ xeβɛluɕitɛi̯/ some game.ACC-ACC.PL some time.LOC-LOC.SG also hunt-LOC.3RD.SG.C-ACC.3RD.SG.A-NOM.1ST.PL
We hunt some game some too.
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Solarius wrote:Kanęr kjok əxuʂ ñęrtos ru sləña sləslən person some DUB-ACT believe SUB FEM-sun [PRES.COP] FEM-god
Some people apparently believe that the sun is a god.
Kęr pə xęrtos. Xun xruţar. 1p. NEG believe. DEM <PEJ>crazy<VRB>
I don't. That's crazy.
Rambia, ruxa vahhugimi ayania. Adra xoria. [g=long.ago]ramb[/g] [g=V]=ia[/g] [g=sun.HON]rux[/g] [g=-SP]-a[/g] [g=sacred]vah[/g] [g=-be]-hu[/g] [g=-PL]-gi[/g] [g=V.NEG]=mi[/g] [g=one]ay[/g] [g=-tribe]-an[/g] [g=V]=ia[/g] [g=defeat]adra[/g] [g=eat]xor[/g] [g=V]=ia[/g] Once there was a tribe who did not worship Lord Sun. They were defeated.
Imralu wrote:Huaa boi kina vu kuari teva, har ahe? be.surprising would.be die NOM.2s.ANIM BEN.3s.NSPC.INAN.REL be.slave | Q be.indeed What? You would die for a slave?!
Amxe! [g=honour]amx[/g] [g=V]=ia[/g] It is an honour!
Imralu wrote:Ha mahu iwi zuo tuva xu mas uji ma? Q be.known DAT.2s.ANIM NOM.C be.slave NOM.3s.DEF.INAN.REL be.what GEN.3s.DEF.ANIM.REL be.what? Are you quite sure about who is the slave and who is the master?
Ghorgia ba ruxt poyhua, ihorgia ba igit poyihugia. [g=3S-]g-[/g] [g=slave]hor[/g] [g=-PL]-gi[/g] [g=-SP]-a[/g] [g=with]=ba[/g] [g=sun.HON]rux[/g] [g=-SP.NOM]-t[/g] [g=merciful]poy[/g] [g=-be]-hu[/g] [g=V]=ia[/g] [g=1S-]i-[/g] [g=slave]hor[/g] [g=-PL]-gi[/g] [g=-SP]-a[/g] [g=with]=ba[/g] [g=1S-]i-[/g] [g=-PL]-gi[/g] [g=-SP.NOM]-t[/g] [g=merciful]poy[/g] [g=1S-]i-[/g] [g=-be]-hu[/g] [g=-PL]-gi[/g] [g=V]=ia[/g] Lord Sun is merciful to his slaves, we are merciful to our slaves.
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Aaye, ihoryka juspandihuye. A... ebayt ha prorak lehm? [g=yup]aaye[/g] [g=1S-]i-[/g] [g=hor]hor[/g] [g=-PL]-gi[/g] [g=-GEN]-k[/g] [g=-SP]-a[/g] [g=good]ju[/g] [g=friend]spand[/g] [g=1S-]i-[/g] [g=-be]-hu[/g] [g=-PL]-gi[/g] [g=V]=ia[/g] [g=but]a[/g] [g=one]ay[/g] [g=2S-]ba-[/g] [g=-PL]-gi[/g] [g=SP.NOM]-t[/g] [g=therefore]ha[/g] [g=common.slave]prora[/g] [g=-GEN]-k[/g] [g=desire]leh[/g] [g=V.NEG]=mi[/g] Yup, we love our slaves. So... none of you want a common slave then?
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Imralu wrote:Huaa tuvuzan i hala ju ma. be.surprising take.slave ACC.3s.NSPC.ANIM.REL be.kin NOM.3s.DEF.ANIM.REL be.what Who the fuck would take a member of their own family as a slave?
Muxmia. Mido prorhuatsilia, muxmia. [g=forbidden]muxm[/g] [g=V]=ia[/g] [g=immediate.relative]mido[/g] [g=common.slave]prora[/g] [g=-be]-hu[/g] [g=CAU]-at[/g] [g=also]=sil[/g] [g=V]=ia[/g] [g=forbidden]muxm[/g] [g=V]=ia[/g] It is forbidden. Even making a common slave out of your immediate relative is forbidden.
Matrix wrote:Četom ônal nal xézr hôga až.
Četom
Chetom
ô
PRES-
nal
be
nal
be
xézr
name
hôga
upon
až
around
Chetom is my name, by the way.
Ônal nal narinažal.
Ô
PRES-
nal
be
nal
be
na
MASC-
rinažal
cleric.of.Zhal
I am a priest of Zhal.
Hoy, ruxhoria? Himart badag naa, bax azashor. [g=oh.really]hoy[/g] [g=passionate]himar[/g] [g=-SP.NOM]-t[/g] [g=2S-]ba-[/g] [g=take]dag[/g] [g=please]na[/g] [g=V]=ia[/g] [g=high]bax[/g] [g=foreign]azas[/g] [g=slave]hor[/g] Is that so, you are a sunpriest? May the Passionate One take you, O foreign slave.
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Travis B. wrote:Nina śa mana mebammci nukapódepa?
/nina ɕa mana mɛβamːtsi nukapoðɛpa/ any.else here person.NOM-NOM.SG farm-AGT-ABL.SG work-ABL.3RD.SG.C-NOM.3RD.SG.A-INT
Does anyone else here work as a farmer?
Azasprorae? Ax mosxand! [g=foreign]azas[/g] [g=common.slave]prora[/g] [g=V]=ia[/g] [g=tsk]ax[/g] [g=rude]mos[/g] [g=daring]xand[/g] You're a foreigner and a common slave? Tsk, chutzpa!
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Iyi azasprorami, ifegia. Bant isk prora balmi. [g=just]iyi[/g] [g=foreign]azas[/g] [g=common.slave]prora[/g] [g=V.NEG]=mi[/g] [g=1S-]i-[/g] [g=opinion]feg[/g] [g=V]=ia[/g] [g=2S-]ba-[/g] [g=tribe]an[/g] [g=-SP.NOM]-t[/g] [g=apparent]isk[/g] [g=common.slave]prora[/g] [g=keeper]bal[/g] [g=V.NEG]=mi[/g] You are not a mere foreigner's common slave, I think. Apparently your people do not keep common slaves.
clawgrip wrote: Darhabata su-bura beyneyerha phinmu. [g=wise.man]darhaba[/g] [g=ANIM.NOM.SG]-ta[/g] [g=fight]su[/g] [g=NEG]-buru[/g] [g=ADV]-wa[/g] [g=problem]beyneye[/g] [g=PL]-r[/g] [g=KN.ACC]-h[/g] [g=erase]phin[/g] [g=3.SG.NONPST]-mu.[/g] A wise man solves problems without fighting.
Elar iri gu tian u kisi tejo zuri iji zuo zaa. speak ACC.3p.NSPC.INAN.REL be.similar be.that2 NOM.3s.NSPC.ANIM.REL be.weak CAUS.C be.frightening DAT.3s.DEF.ANIM NOM.C fight A weak man says such things as that because he is afraid of fighting.
Yhu-ya trateh pemuudan khusun birhiemu man, hurinun yata putheninta mi-ya mhey gi kabay tu rinmumu. Yhurismherta upuhigarmu-buru aru awunurta thas upurmu-buru. Asay Nadutah sadah tu ya runurena day awunrey yurmu! It is true that it is sometimes necessary to take up arms, but an inclination toward violence quickly turns a friend into an enemy. When you have no allies, you also have no trade. What makes Naduta strong is trade!
MS ḴGDR PRKB TGFḴJ. Mīs ḵēgdīr pīrkab tēgīfḵaj.
My people worship the Balance.
ʾYYT MẔYT MGV TGFḴYH, ḴMH HDR ʾYYT BYN. ʾAyyat miẕoyt mēgov tēgīfḵēya, ḵma hadīr ʾayyat bēyin.
Too much evil creates imbalance, as does too much good.
MS ḴGDR NRJKḴ NXḴH XṚTYB... HTL ṚRKS KMBJ... Mīs ḵēgdīr nīrjkaḵ noxḵa xṛtayb...htal Ṛrokīs kīmbaj...
My people used to travel our desert, until the Ṛrokīs came...
Imralu wrote:
Elar iri gu tian u kisi tejo zuri iji zuo zaa. speak ACC.3p.NSPC.INAN.REL be.similar be.that2 NOM.3s.NSPC.ANIM.REL be.weak CAUS.C be.frightening DAT.3s.DEF.ANIM NOM.C fight A weak man says such things as that because he is afraid of fighting.
ZY MYV RHY ʾM SR KYD Zē mēyov rēīhī ʾīm sēr kēyod...
I like the way this one thinks...
ʾAšol ḵavad pulqam ʾifbižen lav ʾifšimeḻ lit maseḡrad lav lit n͛ubad. ʾUpulasim ṗal sa-panžun lav sa-ḥadṇ lav ṗal šarmaḵeš lit ʾaẏṭ waẏyadanun wižqanam.
- Article 1 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
alt wrote:Rìshí le, uróógó rógónmaso yànyàsà? Anhangaraa re gagala ye. LOC/never Q you-DEF.SG-SUBJ/clan IND.SG/clan-different-ACC PST/fierce-rule | field-PL/worker [wonder] need-be [agreement] Your clan has never captured another? You must all be farmers.
Har enes i ela? Q DAT.1s.MASC PRED speak Was that to me?
Har ahe to zoha ma? Q be.indeed and.then signify be.what If so, then what do you mean?
Mawe tuvan una. be.seven be.slave GEN.1s.MASC I have seven slaves.
Ca hala hunes ixu waa. be.not be.kin VRB-GEN.1s.MASC NOM.3p.DEF.INAN.REL be.all None of them are my kin.
Ca tuvan ixu waa hala hunes. be.not be.slave NOM.3p.DEF.INAN.REL be.all be.kin VRB-GEN.1s.MASC None of my kin are slaves.
Ca gane na. be.not farm.VERB NOM.1s.MASC I am not a farmer.
clawgrip wrote: Yhu-ya trateh pemuudan khusun birhiemu man, hurinun yata putheninta mi-ya mhey gi kabay tu rinmumu. Yhurismherta upuhigarmu-buru aru awunurta thas upurmu-buru. Asay Nadutah sadah tu ya runurena day awunrey yurmu! It is true that it is sometimes necessary to take up arms, but an inclination toward violence quickly turns a friend into an enemy. When you have no allies, you also have no trade. What makes Naduta strong is trade!
Car ahi golu uxu Aa jiji i toi mue tiyom inu. be.not be.type be.person LOC.3s.DEF.INAN.REL be.Aa DAT.3p.DEF.ANIM PRED would.be be.able trade NOM.1p.ANIM There is no people in Aa with whom we could trade.
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clawgrip wrote: Yhu-ya trateh pemuudan khusun birhiemu man, hurinun yata putheninta mi-ya mhey gi kabay tu rinmumu. Yhurismherta upuhigarmu-buru aru awunurta thas upurmu-buru. Asay Nadutah sadah tu ya runurena day awunrey yurmu! It is true that it is sometimes necessary to take up arms, but an inclination toward violence quickly turns a friend into an enemy. When you have no allies, you also have no trade. What makes Naduta strong is trade!
É ma máulo'a kwa ésepenƛa'. Šá hoháutimiwiš esésepenaniš é, šá kak'áraskiš na ayaháyan, šá 'i yóƛa'a ma qo ešq'ári'a ná.
[ˈɛː mɒ ˈmɒʊ̯lʊʔɑ kʷɒ ˈɛːsɛpɛ̃n,tɬaʔ | ˈʃɒː χʊˈχɑʊ̯timiwɪʃ ɛˈsɛːsɛpɛ,nɑːnɪʃ ɛː ˈʃɒː kakʼɑːɾaskɪʃ nɑ ajaˈχɑjãn | ˈʃɒː ʔi ˈjuːtɬaʔɑ mɒ qʊ ɛʃˈqʼɑːɾiʔɑ nɑː]
It is the same way in the Islands. We Islanders are not violent in such a way, we do not fight with foreigners, and it is undesirable that we be attacked.
Kønllesetni nyelluset telødås baa wa wońut śa nys walalubatei.
/kœ̃ːlːɛsɛtni nyə̯lːusɛt tɛlœðɒs βɑː wɔɲut ɕa nys walaluβatɛi̯/ river.LOC-LOC.PL=and lake.LOC-LOC.PL be-LOC.3RD.PL.B-NOM.3RD.PL.B-LOC.SG but island.ACC-ACC.PL here place.LOC-LOC.SG have-LOC.3RD.SG.A-LOC.3RD.SG.C-ACC.3RD.PL.B-NOM.1ST.PL
We have islands here, but they are in rivers and lakes.
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Astraios wrote:[g=oh.really]hoy[/g] [g=passionate]himar[/g] [g=-SP.NOM]-t[/g] [g=2S-]ba-[/g] [g=take]dag[/g] [g=please]na[/g] [g=V]=ia[/g] [g=high]bax[/g] [g=foreign]azas[/g] [g=slave]hor[/g] Is that so, you are a sunpriest? May the Passionate One take you, O foreign slave.
He is the God of Truth, and it is my honour to practice his art, the Art of Science.
Čyú dak čaþ u hôga jô ža jô Mírd až ôpex vaču "lahu" čyú "fúzaĥ u lahu" hôga jô jí žrð frú vlm bernr u víþ ônal pex tačiwa až hôga ô saônal sanal ðúnal ðantú hôga jô ža jô bernr frú až ôpex vaču "lahu" hôga jô wadô až ôpex tačiwa "fúzaĥ u lahu" šo?
Čyú
with
dak
know
čaþ
NMLZ
u
ADJ
hôga
upon
jô
of
ža
in
jô
of
Mírd
Mird
až
around
ô
PRES-
pex
do
vaču
speak
lahu
slave
čyú
with
fúzaĥ
state.of.humility
u
ADJ
lahu
slave
hôga
upon
jô
of
jí
two
žrð
word
frú
PL
vlm
very
bernr
other
u
ADJ
víþ
able
ô
PRES-
nal
be
pex
do
tačiwa
present
až
around
hôga
upon
ô
if
sa
NEG-
ô
PRES-
nal
be
sa
NEG-
nal
be
ðú
CONT-
nal
be
ðantú
great
hôga
upon
jô
of
ža
around
jô
of
bernr
other
frú
PL
až
around
ô
PRES-
pex
do
vaču
speak
lahu
slave
hôga
upon
jô
of
wadô
awake
až
around
ô
PRES-
pex
do
tačiwa
present
fúzaĥ
state.of.humility
u
ADJ
lahu
slave
šo
Q
In that light, when you speak of "slaves" and "common slaves", I think you mean two very different things, and perhaps - if I may be so bold - when everyone else has spoken of "slaves" what they meant were "common slaves"?
Raz čaþ jô vek až hôga doĥ víþ ípex pex nal yrabg nak čaþ žrð šo?
Raz
punish
čaþ
NMLZ
jô
of
vek
behind
až
around
hôga
upon
doĥ
exact
víþ
able
í
PAST-
pex
do
pex
do
nal
be
yrabg
bad
nak
change
čaþ
NMLZ
žrð
word
šo
Q
Perhaps all this earlier antagonizing was simply because of mistranslation?
Kommi śesaśi ruki te belbe paatut naskebutei.
/kɔmːi ɕɛsaɕi ruki tɛ βɛlβɛ pɑːtut naskɛβutɛi̯/ sun.ACC-ACC.SG be.associated-ACC.3RD.SG.A Rukka.ACC-ACC.3RD be-ACC.3RD.SG.B one.PART god.ACC.ACC.PL worship-ACC.3RD.PL.A-NOM.1ST.PL
One of the gods we worship is Rukka, which is associated with the sun.
Muri śesaśi tutteri teśe bé hame paati naskeśitei.
/muri ɕɛsaɕi tutːɛri tɛɕɛ βe xamɛ pɑːti naskɛɕitɛi̯/ harvest.ACC-ACC.SG be.associated-ACC.3RD.SG.A Tihttera.ACC-ACC.SG be-ACC.3RD.SG.B one.CARD other god.ACC.ACC.SG worship-ACC.3RD.SG.A-NOM.1ST.PL
Another god we worship is the Tihttera, which is associated with the harvest.
Låni śesaśi suńeni teśe bé hame paati naskeśitei.
/lɒni ɕɛsaɕi suɲɛni tɛɕɛ βe xamɛ pɑːti naskɛɕitɛi̯/ fertility.ACC-ACC.SG be.associated-ACC.3RD.SG.A Suńena.ACC-ACC.SG be-ACC.3RD.SG.B one.CARD other god.ACC.ACC.SG worship-ACC.3RD.SG.A-NOM.1ST.PL
Another god we worship is Suńena, which is associated with fertility.
Hame paatut dei naskebutei.
/xamɛ pɑːtut ðɛi̯ naskɛβutɛi̯/ other god.ACC-ACC.PL also worship-ACC.3RD.PL.A-NOM.1ST.PL
We worship other gods too.
Ruki nie mee kutaśita.
/ruki niə̯ mɛː kutaɕita/ Rukka.ACC-ACC.SG be.devoted-ACC.3RD.SG.A-NOM.1ST.SG
I am especially devoted to Rukka though.
Peetimédot soudut sigabućetei.
/pɛːtimeðɔt sɔu̯ðut siɣaβutɕɛtɛi̯/ god.DAT-POSS.1ST.PL-DAT.PL thing.ACC-ACC.PL sacrifice-ACC.3RD.PL.A-DAT.3RD.PL.A-NOM.1ST.PL
We sacrifice things to our gods.
Peetigódot soudut sigabućeneipa.
/pɛːtiɣoðɔt sɔu̯ðut siɣaβutɕɛnɛi̯pa/ god.DAT-POSS.1ST.PL-DAT.PL thing.ACC-ACC.PL sacrifice-ACC.3RD.PL.A-DAT.3RD.PL.A-NOM.2ND.PL-INT
Do you sacrifice things to your gods?
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N.B. this whole 'worship of sun and harvest' stuff is way less common than people think it is. People tend to worship gods, who may be associated with things like suns and harvests, but they don't tend to be thought of as the same. Apollo, for instance, is not 'the sun', he's just a god associated with the sun and with light, but also a whole bunch of other stuff. Even Helios isn't 'the sun', he's just the guy who drives the chariot of the sun. And the sun is probably the thing that people do come closest to worshipping directly; other stuff like 'fertility'... really not so much.
[While I'm at it: if people only have islands in rivers and lakes, does that mean their oceans have no islands? That's probably impossible. Or does it mean they have no oceans? In which case, why would they say they 'merely' have islands in rivers and lakes? That's like humans saying out of the blue that they have hands, but merely at the end of their arms (when nobody has suggested otherwise previously in the conversation).]
But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
Salmoneus wrote:N.B. this whole 'worship of sun and harvest' stuff is way less common than people think it is. People tend to worship gods, who may be associated with things like suns and harvests, but they don't tend to be thought of as the same. Apollo, for instance, is not 'the sun', he's just a god associated with the sun and with light, but also a whole bunch of other stuff. Even Helios isn't 'the sun', he's just the guy who drives the chariot of the sun. And the sun is probably the thing that people do come closest to worshipping directly; other stuff like 'fertility'... really not so much.
A cebarbaa, azasbax, ivah cegia, ge bafegia? And who are you, arrogant foreigner, that you think know what our gods are?
But the river tripped on her by and by, lapping
as though her heart was brook: Why, why, why! Weh, O weh
I'se so silly to be flowing but I no canna stay!
Salmoneus wrote:N.B. this whole 'worship of sun and harvest' stuff is way less common than people think it is. People tend to worship gods, who may be associated with things like suns and harvests, but they don't tend to be thought of as the same. Apollo, for instance, is not 'the sun', he's just a god associated with the sun and with light, but also a whole bunch of other stuff. Even Helios isn't 'the sun', he's just the guy who drives the chariot of the sun. And the sun is probably the thing that people do come closest to worshipping directly; other stuff like 'fertility'... really not so much.
That was mostly my being lazy at the time; I have retroactively gone and actually created some names for gods.
Salmoneus wrote:[While I'm at it: if people only have islands in rivers and lakes, does that mean their oceans have no islands? That's probably impossible. Or does it mean they have no oceans? In which case, why would they say they 'merely' have islands in rivers and lakes? That's like humans saying out of the blue that they have hands, but merely at the end of their arms (when nobody has suggested otherwise previously in the conversation).]
The only seas that my people know of directly is Baltic Sea, even though they have heard of other seas by word of mouth. Note though that, which was not specified, they have the same word for "sea" and "lake". I probably should not have specified merely there.
Sita manåt rostut keitabusapa.
/sita manɒt rɔstut kɛi̯taβusapa/ any person.NOM-NOM.PL head.of.cattle.ACC.ACC.PL herd-ACC.3RD.PL.A-NOM.3RD.PL.A-INT
Do any people here herd cattle?
Rostegódut nånnabuneipa.
/rɔstɛɣoðut nɒnːaβunɛi̯pa/ head.of.cattle.ACC-POSS.2ND.PL-ACC.PL milk-ACC.3RD.PL.A-NOM.2ND.PL-INT
Do you milk your cattle?
Rostegódut cahabuneini debuneipa.
/rɔstɛɣoðut tsaxaβunɛi̯ni ðɛβunɛi̯pa/ head.of.cattle.ACC-POSS.2ND.PL-ACC.PL butcher-ACC.3RD.PL.A-NOM.2ND.PL=and eat-ACC.3RD.PL.A-NOM.2ND.PL-INT
Do you butcher your cattle and eat them?
Mogi gelkaci hépóśaneini deśaneipa.
/moɣi ɣɛlkatsi xepoɕanɛi̯ni ðɛɕanɛi̯pa/ milk.ACC-ACC.SG cheese.ABL-ABL.SG make-ABL.3RD.SG.C-ACC.3RD.SG.C-NOM.2ND.PL=and eat-ACC.3RD.PL.C-NOM.2ND.PL-INT
Do you make cheese from milk and eat it?
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