Sound Change Game

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Amqoli kuktbu [ˈkuktəbu] :> possible golem language coceoteopo [kokøtøpo]
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Adúljôžal ônal kol ví éža únah kex yaxlr gmlĥ hôga jô ônal kru ansu frú.
Ansu frú ônal savel zaš gmlĥ a vek Adúljôžal vé jaga čaþ kex.
Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh.

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Vidurnaktis wrote:
Nortaneous wrote:Amqoli kuktbu [ˈkuktəbu]
> Chipasic: kūtamu [kuː.ta.ⁿbũ]
I feel skipped. :0 So I'm just going to bring this back from the edge of last page.
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Chipasic kūtamu [kuː.ta.ⁿbũ] → Msérsca cátambo [ˈkoːtamˌbu]
possible golem language coceoteopo [kokøtøpo] → Msérsca cocótópo [ˈkɔkøːˌtøːpu]

pick one

Ascima mresa óscsma sáca psta numar cemea.
Cemea tae neasc ctá ms co ísbas Ascima.
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Msérsca cocótópo [ˈkɔkøːˌtøːpu] > [kɑ:kʊ͡͡ətʊ͡͡əpu] (this is assuming that you're phonemic description truly indicates that they are not aspirated. If aspiration is involved then: [kʰɑ:kʰʊ͡͡ətʰʊ͡͡əpʰu]
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[kʰɑ:kʰʊ͡͡ətʰʊ͡͡əpʰu] :> Kannow kaakòtòpow [xɑːxʷotθʷoɸəw]
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Kannow kaakòtòpow [xɑːxʷotθʷoɸəw] :> Acranasian hā́huƛufau [ˈxɑːxʷutɬuɸau̯] :> South Eresian jájitlijo [ˈχɑːxitɬixo]

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South Eresian jájitlijo [ˈχɑːxitɬixo] :> potential golem language haehzttzho [χɑːχz̩t’z̩χo]
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Adúljôžal ônal kol ví éža únah kex yaxlr gmlĥ hôga jô ônal kru ansu frú.
Ansu frú ônal savel zaš gmlĥ a vek Adúljôžal vé jaga čaþ kex.
Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh. Ônal zeh.

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potential golem language haehzttzho [χɑːχz̩t’z̩χo] :> Proto-Hilitic hahstsho [xaxst.sxo] :> West Rakatic hwastjå [’xwəsθɑ]

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West Rakatic hwastjå [’xwəsθɑ] :> Arrakum huwesła [xuˈwesɬa}

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Risla wrote:West Rakatic hwastjå [’xwəsθɑ] :> Arrakum huwesła [xuˈwesɬa}
> Chipasic: huvasta [hu.ʋas.ta]
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Chipasic: huvasta [hu.ʋas.ta]
Gomse: howasta /ɦoə̯.wa.sta/
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Burke wrote:Gomse: howasta /ɦoə̯.wa.sta/
Old-Bzaåduo hwewastya [hʷəwasʲtʲa]

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Old-Bzaåduo hwewastya [hʷəwasʲtʲa] → Proto-Psodian pvevastya → Mɛrə poʼɔ̀tɛ [pᵝoˈᵝɔ̀tᶝɛ̆]

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Mɛrə poʼɔ̀tɛ [pᵝoˈᵝɔ̀tᶝɛ̆] :> Insular Kett pevauti [pɪˈvɔwtɕi]
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Insular Kett pevauti [pɪˈvɔwtɕi] :> ʔuuleomoh wačh [watʃʰ]

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ʔuuleomoh wačh [watʃʰ] :> Gehui warj [wɑ˞c] :> Cherun ward [wɑ̰˞]
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Cherun ward [wɑ̰˞] :> Arrakum wiwa [wiˈwa]

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Arrakum wiwa [wiˈwa] :> Unnamed Protolanguage wywh [ˈwiwɑ] :> Rākūṣar wīwā [ˈwiːwa] :> Ladasy viva [ˈvʲivə]

I revived an old concept I had for a language with no phonemic vowels and am enjoying the challenge of working it in to be the parent of the parent of a major language family in my conworld.

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Pazmivaniye wrote:I revived an old concept I had for a language with no phonemic vowels and am enjoying the challenge of working it in to be the parent of the parent of a major language family in my conworld.
Ladasy viva [ˈvʲivə] > Yipta wiwa [wiwæ]

It's in interesting idea; some Caucasian languages come close. I think I read once that at least one author had tried to claim that Ubykh had no phonemic vowels, based on the premise that vowels were epenthetic and always predictable.

it looks like you're going for a sort of Indo-European thing, though, with phonemic semivowels that have vocalic allophones. The problem is that, as far as I understand it, PIE *y and *w are only analyzed that way because they behave as consonants next to the phonemic vowels *e and *o. I suppose you could come up with interesting ways in which your semivowels interact when put next to each other, but considering that one of the vowels in a diphthong behaves non-syllabically anyway, it would be more logical to just classify them as vowels.

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I was thinking of an epenthesis where every consonant is followed by a vowel but certain vowels are ellided and then the sequences [Vw Vj Vh] become [u i ɑ] (except when adjacent to other /w j h/) and other remaining vowels become [ɛ]:

wywh > wVyVwVhV > wVywVh > wiwɑ

but

twwnt > tVwVwVnVtV > twVwnt > twɛwnt/twɑwnt (or something, not sure about this one)

and

'tqn > 'VtVqVnV > 'VtqVn > ʔɛtqɛn

EDIT:
Perhaps more to the point, initial [w j h] do not vocalize either, so

ypsl > jɛpsɛl

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Pazmivaniye wrote: I revived an old concept I had for a language with no phonemic vowels and am enjoying the challenge of working it in to be the parent of the parent of a major language family in my conworld.
I am in the process of doing the exact same thing! It's an idea I've been toying around for years as an exercise to see if it can be done sensibly. We seem to have different ways to achieve it, though. Would be interesting to compare when they are written up.

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CatDoom wrote:Ladasy viva [ˈvʲivə] > Yipta wiwa [wiwæ]
> Chipasic: viviya /ʋi.ʋi.ja/ [ʋy.ʋy.jæ]
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Chipasic: viviya /ʋi.ʋi.ja/ [ʋy.ʋy.jæ] :> Zamétule vuvujai [vyvyˈʒɛ] :> Proto-Maroinulic [wiwijée] :> Niljavo (Neljěvo) vivjē (vevji) [vewʒi]

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Niljavo (Neljěvo) vivjē (vevji) [vewʒi] :> Acranasian fíusi [ˈɸiusi] > South Eresian yósi [ˈjoːsi]

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Risla wrote:Niljavo (Neljěvo) vivjē (vevji) [vewʒi] :> Acranasian fíusi [ˈɸiusi] > South Eresian yósi [ˈjoːsi]
South Eresian yósi [ˈjoːsi] :> Bol Ou iobosi [íˈó.bó.ʒí]

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