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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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Chengjiang wrote:@mezziah: What's the distribution of the palatalized consonants? Are they more common than non-palatalized consonants before front vowels but less common elsewhere, to use a fairly common pattern? Do they contrast with sequences of a consonant and /j/?

Also, I'm kind of curious about something. Contrastive palatalization is consistently absent on voiced obstruents. Is there a historical reason for this, by any chance? I say contrastive palatalization because I don't know if, say, /b d g ʒ/ have palatalized allophones.
Nisha historically had many consonant clusters just as Latin had, since it is basically a rip-off. Since the beginning of development many consonant clusters disappeared by inserting vowels and in the latest and current stage palatalization set in in order to get the typical CVCVC behaviour. Palatalization is fairly common when /n/ appears before another consonant, i.e. /mundus/ > /mʲud/
I never had the need to palatalize voiced consonants so I left them out... that is all. For some reason this kind of development leaves palatalized vowels and I'm struggling with the phonetic realization of them. Maybe they'll ultimately turn out to be lengthened vowels and/or diphtongs /aʲ/ > /ai/, /uʲ/ > /ui/, /iʲ/ > /i:/, /æʲ/ > /æi/

Also, thanks for your romanizations, they're quite inspiring.

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Something I'm tinkering with, as yet unnamed. Call it Pama-Nuvular if you really want a name.

/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ ɴ/
/ⁿb ⁿd ⁿɖ ⁿɟ ⁿɡ ⁿɢ/
/p t ʈ c k q ʔ/
/s h/
/β̞ l ɽ j ʁ̞/
/i iː u uː a aː/

/a(ː)/ is a true cardinal [a], an open front vowel; it is not the open central vowel that /a/ is often used to indicate.
Other than /j/, the palatals are fronted, approaching alveopalatal articulation.

Syllable structure is (C)V(S), with S meaning any sonorant with the exception of /ɳ ɲ/. A long vowel cannot be present in a syllable with a coda consonant. /ij uβ̞/ are prohibited, although one could analyze them as instead being merged with /iː uː/.

Immediately preceding or following a uvular consonant, the vowels retract to [e eː o oː ɑ ɑː] respectively.
/β̞ ɽ/ become [w ɻ] in codas.
/h/ becomes [ɸ] before /u(ː)/.
The language has moraic timing. Syllables with a short vowel and no coda consonant are one mora in length, while syllables with a coda consonant or a long vowel are two morae in length. Prenasalized stops are treated as belonging entirely to the onset of the syllable they begin and thus do not add a mora to the word, while coda nasal consonants do. In the event that a syllable ending in a nasal consonant is immediately followed by one beginning with a prenasalized stop, the prenasalized stop reduces to a simple voiced stop and the resulting cluster does still add a mora, e.g. /pan.ⁿɢil/ > [panɢel], with 4 morae. Contrast /pa.ⁿɢil/ > [pɑⁿɢel], with 3.

Gibberish sample text, since as yet this has basically zero real vocabulary. I'm including both phonemic and phonetic versions since some of the allophonic processes might be slightly confusing.

/tituqaⁿbal ⁿɖikim auɽapa siɽⁿdiːʈujuŋ ca ɴilaːnatu ʔaⁿɟiⁿɢahi aβ̞ ɲansu panⁿɢil jiʁ̞ kamiβ̞aɳu ⁿɡuːʔilasam/
[titoqɑⁿbal ⁿɖikim auɽapa siɻⁿdiːʈujuŋ ca ɴelaːnatu ʔaⁿɟeⁿɢɑhi aw ɲansu panɢel jeʁ̞ kamiβ̞aɳu ⁿɡuːʔilasam]
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mezziah wrote:Nisha historically had many consonant clusters just as Latin had, since it is basically a rip-off. Since the beginning of development many consonant clusters disappeared by inserting vowels and in the latest and current stage palatalization set in in order to get the typical CVCVC behaviour. Palatalization is fairly common when /n/ appears before another consonant, i.e. /mundus/ > /mʲud/
So...wait, I'm not sure I understand. /nC/ clusters become /C/ with palatalization of the onset of the preceding syllable? I must admit I don't entirely get how that works. There doesn't seem to be any articulatory or acoustic motivation for the change.
I never had the need to palatalize voiced consonants
What does that mean? Why wouldn't, say, /dens/ generate [dʲæs]?
Also, thanks for your romanizations, they're quite inspiring.
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/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ ɴ/ <m n nr ñ ŋ ň>
/ⁿb ⁿd ⁿɖ ⁿɟ ⁿɡ ⁿɢ/ <b d dr j g ǧ>
/p t ʈ c k q ʔ/ <p t tr c k ǩ q>
/s h/ <s h>
/β̞ l ɽ j ʁ̞/ <v l r y ř>
/i iː u uː a aː/ <i í u ú a á>

/tituqaⁿbal ⁿɖikim auɽapa siɽⁿdiːʈujuŋ ca ɴilaːnatu ʔaⁿɟiⁿɢahi aβ̞ ɲansu panⁿɢil jiʁ̞ kamiβ̞aɳu ⁿɡuːʔilasam/
[titoqɑⁿbal ⁿɖikim auɽapa siɻⁿdiːʈujuŋ ca ɴelaːnatu ʔaⁿɟeⁿɢɑhi aw ɲansu panɢel jeʁ̞ kamiβ̞aɳu ⁿɡuːʔilasam][/quote]
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/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ ɴ/ m n nr ny ŋ ŋq
/ⁿb ⁿd ⁿɖ ⁿɟ ⁿɡ ⁿɢ/ mb nd ndr ndy ŋg ŋx
/p t ʈ c k q ʔ/ p t tr ty k q '
/s h/ s h
/β̞ l ɽ j ʁ̞/ v l r y x

/i iː u uː a aː/ i í u ú a á

Prenasalized stops are written without the initial nasal grapheme when they appear after another consonant. After a nasal, the voiced plosive grapheme is additionally doubled: /aⁿda aɽⁿda anⁿda/ anda arda andda.

The sequences /nɽ nj nq nʁ/ are written nŕ ný nq nx to distinguish them from /ɳ ɲ ɴ ⁿɢ/ nr ny ŋq ŋx.

/tituqaⁿbal ⁿɖikim auɽapa siɽⁿdiːʈujuŋ ca ɴilaːnatu ʔaⁿɟiⁿɢahi aβ̞ ɲansu panⁿɢil jiʁ̞ kamiβ̞aɳu ⁿɡuːʔilasam/
[titoqɑⁿbal ⁿɖikim auɽapa siɻⁿdiːʈujuŋ ca ɴelaːnatu ʔaⁿɟeⁿɢɑhi aw ɲansu panɢel jeʁ̞ kamiβ̞aɳu ⁿɡuːʔilasam]
tituqambal ndrikim aurapa sirdítruyuŋ tya ŋqilánatu 'andyiŋxahi av nyansu panxil yix kamivanru ŋgú'ilasam

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Nisha:

/m n̪ mʲ n̪ʲ/ <m n mj nj>
/p b pʲ t̪ d̪ t̪ʲ k g kʲ q ʔ/ <p b pj t d tj k g kj q '>
/ɸ ɸʲ θ θʲ s ʃ ʃʲ ʒ ħ h hʲ/ <f fj z zj sz s sj ĵ x hj>
/t͡ʃ t͡ʃʲ/ <ĉ ĉj>
/j w wʲ/ <j v vj>
/r rʲ/ <r rj>
/a a: i i: u u: æ/ <a á i y u ú æ>
/ai ui/ <aj uj>

Tavakasynámat va tavavidija ka sisáram xad baradaram anjuĉija.
/tawakasi:na:mat wa tawawidija ka sisa:ram ħad baradaram anʲut͡ʃija/


Pama-Nuvular:

/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ ɴ/ <m n ṋ nj ng rn>
/ⁿb ⁿd ⁿɖ ⁿɟ ⁿɡ ⁿɢ/ <mp nt ṋṱ ntj nk nq>
/p t ʈ c k q ʔ/ <p t ṱ tj k q '>
/s h/ <s h/f>
/β̞ l ɽ j ʁ̞/ <v l ḽ j r>
/i iː u uː a aː/ <i/e ii/ee u/o uu/oo a aa>

Titoqambal ṋṱikim auḽapa siḽntiiṱujung tja rnelaanatu 'antjenqahi av njansu panqel jer kamivaṋu nkuu'ilasam.
/tituqaⁿbal ⁿɖikim auɽapa siɽⁿdiːʈujuŋ ca ɴilaːnatu ʔaⁿɟiⁿɢahi aβ̞ ɲansu panⁿɢil jiʁ̞ kamiβ̞aɳu ⁿɡuːʔilasam/
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/m n/
/p b t d k g/
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/
/f v s z ʃ ʒ x h/
/r l j/
/i ɛ a ɔ u/
/ɛʊ̯ aʊ̯/
/ɛɪ̯ aɪ̯ ɔɪ̯ uɪ̯/

/survɔjɛ, t͡ʃiu ludantɔ gaɪ̯nas nivɛlɔɪ̯n pɛr mɔrtiga dɔ dɛ t͡ʃampiɔnɔɪ̯ kaɪ̯ sbirɔɪ̯ dɛ la kɔntraʊ̯a tɛamɔ, kaɪ̯ pɛr mɔrtigadɔ dɛ nɛʊ̯tralaɪ̯ mɔnstrɔɪ̯. kɔmplɛtigantɛ ɔbjɛktivɔɪ̯n rɛkɔmpɛnt͡sɔs ɔrɔ al ludantɔɪ̯, kiu ɛstas uzata pɔr at͡ʃɛti utilaʒɔɪ̯n./
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Qiqqit's challenge in something similar to Italian:

/m n/ <m n>
/p b t d k g/ <p b t d c~ch(i) g~gh(i)>
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ <z~(V)zz(V) z c(i)~ci(V) g(i)~gi(V)>
/f v s z ʃ ʒ x h/ <f v s~(V)ss(V) s sc(i)~sci(V) sg(i)~sgi(V) h h>
/r l j/ <r l i>
/i ɛ a ɔ u/ <i e a o u>
/ɛʊ̯ aʊ̯/ <eu au>
/ɛɪ̯ aɪ̯ ɔɪ̯ uɪ̯/ <ei ai oi ui>

/survɔjɛ, t͡ʃiu ludantɔ gaɪ̯nas nivɛlɔɪ̯n pɛr mɔrtiga dɔ dɛ t͡ʃampiɔnɔɪ̯ kaɪ̯ sbirɔɪ̯ dɛ la kɔntraʊ̯a tɛamɔ, kaɪ̯ pɛr mɔrtigadɔ dɛ nɛʊ̯tralaɪ̯ mɔnstrɔɪ̯. kɔmplɛtigantɛ ɔbjɛktivɔɪ̯n rɛkɔmpɛnt͡sɔs ɔrɔ al ludantɔɪ̯, kiu ɛstas uzata pɔr at͡ʃɛti utilaʒɔɪ̯n./

Survoie, ciu ludanto gainas niveloin per mortiga do de ciampionoi cai sbiroi de la contraua teamo, cai per mortigado de neutralai monstroi. Completigante obiectifoin recompenzos oro al ludantoi, chiu estas usata por acieti utilasgioin.

Obviously this only works if /z/ and /dz/ only appear between vowels and there's some ambiguity in, for example, whether <ciu> is /t͡ʃiu/ or /t͡ʃu/ or whether <survoie> is /survɔjɛ/ or /survɔɪ̯.ɛ/.
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/m n/ <m n>
/p b t d k g/ <p b t d k g>
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ <ts dz tsj dzj>
/f v s z ʃ ʒ x h/<f v s z sj zj ch h>
/r l j/ <r l j>
/i ɛ a ɔ u/ <i e a o oe>
/ɛʊ̯ aʊ̯/ <eu(w) au(w)>
/ɛɪ̯ aɪ̯ ɔɪ̯ uɪ̯/ <ei ai oi oei>

Soervoje tsjioe loedanto gainas niveloin per mortiga do de tsjampionoi kai sbiroi de la kontrauwa teamo, kai per mortigado de neutralai monstroi. Kompletigante objektivoin rekompentsos oro al loedantoi, kioe estas oezata por atsjeti oetilazjoin.
/survɔjɛ, t͡ʃiu ludantɔ gaɪ̯nas nivɛlɔɪ̯n pɛr mɔrtiga dɔ dɛ t͡ʃampiɔnɔɪ̯ kaɪ̯ sbirɔɪ̯ dɛ la kɔntraʊ̯a tɛamɔ, kaɪ̯ pɛr mɔrtigadɔ dɛ nɛʊ̯tralaɪ̯ mɔnstrɔɪ̯. kɔmplɛtigantɛ ɔbjɛktivɔɪ̯n rɛkɔmpɛnt͡sɔs ɔrɔ al ludantɔɪ̯, kiu ɛstas uzata pɔr at͡ʃɛti utilaʒɔɪ̯n./
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Nisha
/m n̪ mʲ n̪ʲ/ <m n my ny>
/p b pʲ t̪ d̪ t̪ʲ k g kʲ q ʔ/ <p b py t d ty k g ky q x>
/ɸ ɸʲ θ θʲ s ʃ ʃʲ ʒ ħ h hʲ/ <f fy th thy s sh shy zh c h hy>
/t͡ʃ t͡ʃʲ/ <j jy>
/j w wʲ/ <y w wy>
/r rʲ/ <r ry>

/a a: i i: u u: æ/ <a aa i ii u uu e>
/ai/ /ui/ <ai ui>

/tawakasiʲna:mat wa tawawidija ka sisa:ram ħad baradaram anʲut͡ʃija/
Tawakasinyaamat wa tawawidiya ka sisaaram cad baradaram anyujiya.

Pama-Nuvular:
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ ɴ/ <m n rn ny ng nh>
/ⁿb ⁿd ⁿɖ ⁿɟ ⁿɡ ⁿɢ/ <mb nt nd nj nk nq>
/p t ʈ c k q ʔ/ <p t d k q x>
/s h/ <s h>
/β̞ l ɽ j ʁ̞/ <w l r y g>
/i iː u uː a aː/ <i ii u uu a aa>

/tituqaⁿbal ⁿɖikim auɽapa siɽⁿdiːʈujuŋ ca ɴilaːnatu ʔaⁿɟiⁿɢahi aβ̞ ɲansu panⁿɢil jiʁ̞ kamiβ̞aɳu ⁿɡuːʔilasam/
[titoqɑⁿbal ⁿɖikim auɽapa siɻⁿdiːʈujuŋ ca ɴelaːnatu ʔaⁿɟeⁿɢɑhi aw ɲansu panɢel jeʁ̞ kamiβ̞aɳu ⁿɡuːʔilasam]
Titoqambal ndikim aurapa sirntiiduyung ca nhelaanatu xanjinqahi aw nyansu pannqel yeg kamiwarnu nkuuxilasam.

/m n/ <m n>
/p b t d k g/ <p b t d k g>
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ <c dz č dž>
/f v s z ʃ ʒ x h/ <f v s z š ž ch h>
/r l j/ <r l j>
/i ɛ a ɔ u/ <i e a o u>
/ɛʊ̯ aʊ̯/ <eu au>
/ɛɪ̯ aɪ̯ ɔɪ̯ uɪ̯/ <ei ai oi ui>

/survɔjɛ, t͡ʃiu ludantɔ gaɪ̯nas nivɛlɔɪ̯n pɛr mɔrtiga dɔ dɛ t͡ʃampiɔnɔɪ̯ kaɪ̯ sbirɔɪ̯ dɛ la kɔntraʊ̯a tɛamɔ, kaɪ̯ pɛr mɔrtigadɔ dɛ nɛʊ̯tralaɪ̯ mɔnstrɔɪ̯. kɔmplɛtigantɛ ɔbjɛktivɔɪ̯n rɛkɔmpɛnt͡sɔs ɔrɔ al ludantɔɪ̯, kiu ɛstas uzata pɔr at͡ʃɛti utilaʒɔɪ̯n./
Survoje, čiu ludanto gainas niveloin per mortiga do de čampionoi kai sbiroi de la kontraua teamo, kai per mortigado de neutralai monstroi. Kompletigante objektivoin rekompencos oro al ludantoi, kiu estas uzata por ačeti utilažoin.

or

/m n/ <m n>
/p b t d k g/ <p b t d c/ch g/gh>
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ <ç z ci gi>
/f v s z ʃ ʒ x h/ <f v s/ss s si/ssi si ch h>
/r l j/ <r l y>
/i ɛ a ɔ u/ <i e a o u>
/ɛʊ̯ aʊ̯/ <eu au>
/ɛɪ̯ aɪ̯ ɔɪ̯ uɪ̯/ <ei ai oi ui>
Survoye, ciu ludanto gainas niveloin per mortiga do de ciampionoi cai sbiroi de la contraua teamo, cai per mortigado de neutralai monstroi. Completigante obyectivoin recompenços oro al ludantoi, chiu estas usata por aceti utilasioin.

or

Survoje, chiu ludanto gainas niveloin per mortiga do de championoi cai sbiroi de la contraua teamo, cai per mortigado de neutralai monstroi. Completigante objectivoin recompenzos oro al ludantoi, ciu estas usata por acheti utilajjoin.
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/m n/ μ ν
/p b t d k g/ π β τ δ κ γ
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ τσ·τσυ τζ·τζυ τσ·τσι τζ·τζι
/f v s z ʃ ʒ x h/ φ υ σσ·συ ζ·ζυ σ·σι ζ·ζι χ ̔
/r l j/ ρ λ ι
/i ɛ a ɔ u/ ι ε α ο υ
/ɛʊ̯ aʊ̯/ ευ αυ
/ɛɪ̯ aɪ̯ ɔɪ̯ uɪ̯/ ει αι οι υι

The dialytika is used to disambiguate between diphthongs and vowel sequences.

Συρυοιε, τσιυ λυδαντο γαινας νιυελοιν περ μορτιγα δο δε τσιαπμιονοι και σβιροι δε λα κοντραυα τεαμο, και περ μορτιγαδο νευτραλαι μονστροι. Κομπλετιγαντε οβιεκτιυοιν ρεκομπεντσος ορο αλ λυδαντοι, κιυ εστας υσατα πορ ατσιετι υτιλαζιοιν.
/survɔjɛ, t͡ʃiu ludantɔ gaɪ̯nas nivɛlɔɪ̯n pɛr mɔrtiga dɔ dɛ t͡ʃampiɔnɔɪ̯ kaɪ̯ sbirɔɪ̯ dɛ la kɔntraʊ̯a tɛamɔ, kaɪ̯ pɛr mɔrtigadɔ dɛ nɛʊ̯tralaɪ̯ mɔnstrɔɪ̯. kɔmplɛtigantɛ ɔbjɛktivɔɪ̯n rɛkɔmpɛnt͡sɔs ɔrɔ al ludantɔɪ̯, kiu ɛstas uzata pɔr at͡ʃɛti utilaʒɔɪ̯n./

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/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ ɴ/ <m n rn ny ng nh>
/ⁿb ⁿd ⁿɖ ⁿɟ ⁿɡ ⁿɢ/ <b d dr j g gh>
/p t ʈ c k q ʔ/ <p t tr c k q x>
/s h/ <s h>
/β̞ l ɽ j ʁ̞/ <w l r y wh>
/i iː u uː a aː/ <e i o u a aa>

Tetoqabal drekem aorapa serditroyong ca nhelaanato xajeghahe aw nyanso panghel yewh kamewarno guxelasam.
or
Tituqabal drikim aurapa sirdiitruyung ca nhilaanatu xajighahi aw nyansu panghil yiwh kamiwarnu guuxilasam.
or
Titoqabal drikim aurapa sirdiitruyung ca nhelaanatu xajeghahi aw nyansu panghel yewh kamiwarnu guuxilasam.
or
Titokabal drikim aurapa sirdiitruyung ca ngelaanatu xajegahi aw nyansu pan'gel yegh kamiwarnu guuxilasam.
or
Titokabal ḍikim aurapa sirdīṭuyung ca ŋelānatu xajegahi aw ñansu pangel yeɣ kamiwaṇu gūxilasam.

or as Yanyuwa:
/m n ɳ ɲ ŋ ɴ/ <m n rn ny nyng ng>
/ⁿb ⁿd ⁿɖ ⁿɟ ⁿɡ ⁿɢ/ <mb nt nd nj nyk nk>
/p t ʈ c k q ʔ/ <b t d j yk k '>
/s h/ <s h>
/β̞ l ɽ j ʁ̞/ <w l r y g>
/i iː u uː a aː/ <i ii u uu a aa>

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Ah, I see, it's Esperanto. Just for the hell of it, here's a pseudo-Romance orthography with a Maltese-esque use of dotted consonants.
/m n/ m n
/p b t d k g/ p b t d c/q g (/k/ is q before front vowels and /v/ and c elsewhere.)
/t͡s d͡z t͡ʃ d͡ʒ/ ç/c dz ċ ġ (As /dz/ is a marginal phoneme, I've elected to represent it as a digraph just as it normally is in Esperanto. /ts/ is c before front vowels and ç elsewhere. I don't do anything similar with /g/ and /d͡ʒ/ or /ʒ/ because the language is less consistent about whether or not it observes quasi-Romance palatalization of classical /g/ in international vocabulary.)
/f v s z ʃ ʒ x h/ f v s z ṡ j ch h (/x/ is another marginal phoneme, and ch fits with the etymology of most cases of it in one way or another.)
/r l j/ r l y
/i ɛ a ɔ u/ i e a o u
/ɛʊ̯ aʊ̯/ eu au
/ɛɪ̯ aɪ̯ ɔɪ̯ uɪ̯/ ei ai oi ui (No real reason to keep up the original orthography's explicit marking of offglides when context is sufficient 99% of the time. The diphthongs have practically zero minimal pairs with the corresponding cases of vowel-vowel hiatus.)

Also, one more marginal phoneme that Qiqqit forgot to mention:
/w/ w, occurring almost entirely in non-nativized proper names.

And one other minor note: The clusters /ks/ and /kz/ are spelled x in words of Latin/Romance or Greek origin.

/survɔjɛ, t͡ʃiu ludantɔ gaɪ̯nas nivɛlɔɪ̯n pɛr mɔrtiga dɔ dɛ t͡ʃampiɔnɔɪ̯ kaɪ̯ sbirɔɪ̯ dɛ la kɔntraʊ̯a tɛamɔ, kaɪ̯ pɛr mɔrtigadɔ dɛ nɛʊ̯tralaɪ̯ mɔnstrɔɪ̯. kɔmplɛtigantɛ ɔbjɛktivɔɪ̯n rɛkɔmpɛnt͡sɔs ɔrɔ al ludantɔɪ̯, kiu ɛstas uzata pɔr at͡ʃɛti utilaʒɔɪ̯n./

Survoye, ċiu ludanto gainas niveloin per mortiga do de ċampionoi cai sbiroi de la contraua teamo, cai per mortigado de neutralai monstroi. Completigante obyectivoin recompenços oro al ludantoi, qiu estas uzata por aċeti utilajoin.
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Сурвойе, чиу луданто гайнас нивелойн пер мортига до де чампионой кай сбирой де ла контраўа теамо, кай пер мортигадо де неўтралай монстрой. Комплетиганте обйективойн рекомпенцос оро ал лудантой, киу естас узата пор ачети утилажойн.

Сурвое, чиу луданто гайнас нивэлойн пер мортига до дэ чампионой кай сбирой дэ ла контраўа тэамо, кай пэр мортигадо дэ нэўтралай монстрой. Комплэтигантэ обективойн рэкомпэнцос оро ал лудантой, киу эстас узата пор ачэти утилажойн.

Сурвоє, чиу луданто гайнас нивелойн пер мортига до де чампионой кай сбирой де ла контраўа теамо, кай пер мортигадо де неўтралай монстрой. Комплетиганте обєктивойн рекомпенцос оро ал лудантой, киу естас узата пор ачети утилажойн.
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Some shit I just made up:

/m n ŋ ŋʷ/
/p b t d k g kʷ gʷ/
/p͡m̥ b͡m t͡n̥ d͡n k͡ŋ̥ g͡ŋ k͡ŋ̥ʷ g͡ŋʷ/
/f v θ ð s z x ɣ xʷ ɣʷ/
/m̥͋ m͋ n̥͋ n͋ ŋ̥͋ ŋ͋ ŋ̥͋ʷ ŋ͋ʷ/
/ɬ l r̥ r j w h/

/i iː y yː ʊ uː/
/e̞ eː ɛː ø̞ øː œː o̞ oː ɔː/
/ɑ aː/
/iʏ̯ iʊ̯ yɪ̯ yʊ̯ uɪ̯ uʏ̯/

(C)V(S) or (C)V(gemination)
S∈/s z ɬ l h/

VV → VhV
z, l/_# → s, ɬ
z, l/_(-v) → s, ɬ
s, ɬ/_(+v) → z, l

/jih tɔːkk͡ŋ̥œːhr̥ø θolø ɑ gʷyhɑn̥͋yɪ̯ iːhɑɬpøɬ odøŋ̥͋ʷø. r̥ɔːsek͡ŋ̥ʷœːzŋyɪ̯ yðohehdɛː ŋ͋ʷexʷɛːh ŋ͋uʏ̯, ŋʷoɬkʷiː θɛːhaːɬky eɬ m͋eːhɑssylyɪ̯. yɪ̯r̥œːŋɔːlʊɬ fɛːs ŋʷohe n̥͋ɑhø ɑ œːhi, ŋ͋ʷøhœː iʏ̯sʊhbɛː zy, m̥͋ik͡ŋ̥ʷʊ d͡niːtt͡n̥ʊ ʊ iʊ̯hli yɪ̯støhiʏ̯sŋ̥͋ʷe. vɑkkoɬ aːhdiʏ̯hɔːhuʏ̯ ø miːhŋ̥͋uʏ̯ buɪ̯, tuːlisølŋ͋e, p͡m̥oːn͋oɬ øn̥͋yɪ̯ssøɬ iːhesʊ fuɪ̯r̥r̥ɑŋ̥͋oːs iːhøɬkø, n͋osɑs boːluʏ̯h øsʊm͋øːhe d͡nehøː./
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Qiqqit wrote:Some shit I just made up:
I'm not entirely happy with anything I was able to come up with for this one. Eeurgh. Here's the romanization I dislike the least thus far.

/m n ŋ ŋʷ/ m n ng nw
/p b t d k g kʷ gʷ/ p b t d k g kw gw
/p͡m̥ b͡m t͡n̥ d͡n k͡ŋ̥ g͡ŋ k͡ŋ̥ʷ g͡ŋʷ/ pm bm tn dn kn gn knw gnw
/f v θ ð s z x ɣ xʷ ɣʷ/ f v c dh s z x q xw qw
/m̥͋ m͋ n̥͋ n͋ ŋ̥͋ ŋ͋ ŋ̥͋ʷ ŋ͋ʷ/ mf mv nc nh nx nq nxw nqw
/ɬ l r̥ r j w h/ cl/l l r dr j w h (/ɬ/ is only written cl in environments where it contrasts with /l/, i.e. intervocalically, geminated, or after /h/. Elsewhere it is written l. /r̥/ is written r since judging by the sample passage it seems to be less marked than /r/.)

/i iː y yː ʊ uː/ i ii y yy u uu
/e̞ eː ɛː ø̞ øː œː o̞ oː ɔː/ e ei ee ö öy öö o ou oo (Long close-mid vowels appear to be more marked than long open-mid vowels, so I'm guessing that any processes that link short vowels with long link the short mid vowels to the long open-mid vowels and have therefore transcribed them as such.)
/ɑ aː/ a aa
/iʏ̯ iʊ̯ yɪ̯ yʊ̯ uɪ̯ uʏ̯/ iy iu yi yu ui uy

/jih tɔːkk͡ŋ̥œːhr̥ø θolø ɑ gʷyhɑn̥͋yɪ̯ iːhɑɬpøɬ odøŋ̥͋ʷø. r̥ɔːsek͡ŋ̥ʷœːzŋyɪ̯ yðohehdɛː ŋ͋ʷexʷɛːh ŋ͋uʏ̯, ŋʷoɬkʷiː θɛːhaːɬky eɬ m͋eːhɑssylyɪ̯. yɪ̯r̥œːŋɔːlʊɬ fɛːs ŋʷohe n̥͋ɑhø ɑ œːhi, ŋ͋ʷøhœː iʏ̯sʊhbɛː zy, m̥͋ik͡ŋ̥ʷʊ d͡niːtt͡n̥ʊ ʊ iʊ̯hli yɪ̯støhiʏ̯sŋ̥͋ʷe. vɑkkoɬ aːhdiʏ̯hɔːhuʏ̯ ø miːhŋ̥͋uʏ̯ buɪ̯, tuːlisølŋ͋e, p͡m̥oːn͋oɬ øn̥͋yɪ̯ssøɬ iːhesʊ fuɪ̯r̥r̥ɑŋ̥͋oːs iːhøɬkø, n͋osɑs boːluʏ̯h øsʊm͋øːhe d͡nehøː./

Jih tookknööhrö colö a gwyhancyi iihalpöl odönxwö. Rooseknwöözngyi ydhohehdee nqwexweeh nquy, nwolkwii ceehaalky el mveehassylyi. Yirööngoolul fees nwohe ncahö a ööhi, nqwöhöö iysuhbee zy, mfiknwu dniittnu u iuhli yistöhiysnxwe. Vakkol aahdiyhoohuy ö miihnxuy bui, tuulisölnqe, pmounhol öncyissöl iihesu fuirranqous iihölkö, nhosas bouluyh ösumvöyhe dnehöy.
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Some shit I just made up:

/m n ŋ ŋʷ/ <m n ŋ ŋu>
/p b t d k g kʷ gʷ/ <p b t d c/q g qu gu>
/p͡m̥ b͡m t͡n̥ d͡n k͡ŋ̥ g͡ŋ k͡ŋ̥ʷ g͡ŋʷ/ <pm bm tn dn cŋ gŋ cŋu gŋu>
/f v θ ð s z x ɣ xʷ ɣʷ/ <f v þ ð s z ch/ĉ gh/ĝ chu/ĉu ghu/ĝu>
/m̥͋ m͋ n̥͋ n͋ ŋ̥͋ ŋ͋ ŋ̥͋ʷ ŋ͋ʷ/ <fm vm þn ðn chŋ/ĉŋ ghŋ/ĝŋ chŋu/ĉŋu ghŋu/ĝŋu>
/ɬ l r̥ r j w h/ <ł l þr r i u h>

/i iː y yː ʊ uː/ <i í ü ű u ú>
/e̞ eː ɛː ø̞ øː œː o̞ oː ɔː/ <e é ai/ę ö ő aü/ǫ̈ o ó au/ǫ>
/ɑ aː/ <a á>
/iʏ̯ iʊ̯ yɪ̯ yʊ̯ uɪ̯ uʏ̯/ <iü iu üi üu ui uü>

Iih tauccŋaühþrö þolö a guühaþnüi íhałpöł odöghŋuö. Þrausecŋuaüzŋüi üðohehdai ghŋuechuaih ghŋuü, ŋuołquí þaiháłqü eł vméhassülüi. Üiþraüŋauluł fais ŋuohe þnahö a aühi, chŋuöhaü iüsuhbai zü, fmicŋuu dníttnu u iuhli üistöhüschŋue. Vacqoł áhdiühauhuü ö míhchŋuü bui, túlisölghŋe, pmóþnoł öþnüissöł íhesu fuiþrrachŋós íhöłqö, ðnosas bóluüh ösuvmőhe dnehő.
Iih tǫccŋǫ̈hþrö þolö a guühaþnüi íhałpöł odöĝŋuö. Þrǫsecŋuǫ̈zŋüi üðohehdę ĝŋueĉuęh ĝŋuü, ŋuołquí þęháłqü eł vméhassülüi. Üiþrǫ̈ŋǫluł fęs ŋuohe þnahö a ǫ̈hi, ĉŋuöhǫ̈ iüsuhbę zü, fmicŋuu dníttnu u iuhli üistöhüsĉŋue. Vacqoł áhdiühǫhuü ö míhĉŋuü bui, túlisölĝŋe, pmóþnoł öþnüissöł íhesu fuiþrraĉŋós íhöłqö, ðnosas bóluüh ösuvmőhe dnehő.
/jih tɔːkk͡ŋ̥œːhr̥ø θolø ɑ gʷyhɑn̥͋yɪ̯ iːhɑɬpøɬ odøŋ̥͋ʷø. r̥ɔːsek͡ŋ̥ʷœːzŋyɪ̯ yðohehdɛː ŋ͋ʷexʷɛːh ŋ͋uʏ̯, ŋʷoɬkʷiː θɛːhaːɬky eɬ m͋eːhɑssylyɪ̯. yɪ̯r̥œːŋɔːlʊɬ fɛːs ŋʷohe n̥͋ɑhø ɑ œːhi, ŋ͋ʷøhœː iʏ̯sʊhbɛː zy, m̥͋ik͡ŋ̥ʷʊ d͡niːtt͡n̥ʊ ʊ iʊ̯hli yɪ̯støhiʏ̯sŋ̥͋ʷe. vɑkkoɬ aːhdiʏ̯hɔːhuʏ̯ ø miːhŋ̥͋uʏ̯ buɪ̯, tuːlisølŋ͋e, p͡m̥oːn͋oɬ øn̥͋yɪ̯ssøɬ iːhesʊ fuɪ̯r̥r̥ɑŋ̥͋oːs iːhøɬkø, n͋osɑs boːluʏ̯h øsʊm͋øːhe d͡nehøː./
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/m n ŋ ŋʷ/ <m n ng ngu>
/p b t d k g kʷ gʷ/ <p b t d k g kw gw>
/p͡m̥ b͡m t͡n̥ d͡n k͡ŋ̥ g͡ŋ k͡ŋ̥ʷ g͡ŋʷ/ <pn bn tn dn kn gn knw gnw>
/f v θ ð s z x ɣ xʷ ɣʷ/ <f v th dh s z kh gh khw ghw>
/m̥͋ m͋ n̥͋ n͋ ŋ̥͋ ŋ͋ ŋ̥͋ʷ ŋ͋ʷ/ <mh mb nh nd nkh nk nkhw nkw>
/ɬ l r̥ r j w h/ <x l c r j w h>

/i iː y yː ʊ uː/ <i ii y yy u uu>
/e̞ eː ɛː ø̞ øː œː o̞ oː ɔː/ <e ee ea ö öö öa o oo oa>
/ɑ aː/ <a aa>
/iʏ̯ iʊ̯ yɪ̯ yʊ̯ uɪ̯ uʏ̯/ <iy iu yi yu ui uy>

/jih tɔːkk͡ŋ̥œːhr̥ø θolø ɑ gʷyhɑn̥͋yɪ̯ iːhɑɬpøɬ odøŋ̥͋ʷø. r̥ɔːsek͡ŋ̥ʷœːzŋyɪ̯ yðohehdɛː ŋ͋ʷexʷɛːh ŋ͋uʏ̯, ŋʷoɬkʷiː θɛːhaːɬky eɬ m͋eːhɑssylyɪ̯. yɪ̯r̥œːŋɔːlʊɬ fɛːs ŋʷohe n̥͋ɑhø ɑ œːhi, ŋ͋ʷøhœː iʏ̯sʊhbɛː zy, m̥͋ik͡ŋ̥ʷʊ d͡niːtt͡n̥ʊ ʊ iʊ̯hli yɪ̯støhiʏ̯sŋ̥͋ʷe. vɑkkoɬ aːhdiʏ̯hɔːhuʏ̯ ø miːhŋ̥͋uʏ̯ buɪ̯, tuːlisølŋ͋e, p͡m̥oːn͋oɬ øn̥͋yɪ̯ssøɬ iːhesʊ fuɪ̯r̥r̥ɑŋ̥͋oːs iːhøɬkø, n͋osɑs boːluʏ̯h øsʊm͋øːhe d͡nehøː./
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My lizardman-lang thingy:

/n~ɳ ɲ ŋ/
/t~ʈ c k ɴ~q ʔ/
/ts tɬ cɕ kx/
/s ɬ ɕ ʎ̝ x ʟ̝ h/
/ɹ l j ʎ ɰ/
/r ʀ/

/i i̥ ɯ ɯ̥/
/e e̥ ɘ ʌ/
/a/

Syllable structure: (C)CV(C)(C)

Some basic allophony:
central fricatives assimilate to laterals before laterals
approximants assimilate to trills after trills of the same POA

Phonotactics:
Default word stress is ultimate

Allowed word onset onsets/nuclei:
No laterals (incl. clusters with laterals), and no unvoiced vowels

Allowed syll. onsets:
Not nothing if the previous syllable has no coda; otherwise limited to one consonant as fits the list of allowed clusters or none

Allowed syll. nuclei:
Any singular vowel

Allowed syll. codas:
No stops (except as part of a cluster), central non-alveolar approx., anything else

Allowed clusters:
  1. Stop + coronal fricatives
    Affricates
    Stop + approx.
    Trill + fric.
    Fric. + fric.
    Stop + stop (incl. nasal)
    Fric. + stop
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Znex' lizardman-lang thingy:

/n~ɳ ɲ ŋ/ <n ń ŋ>
/t~ʈ c k ɴ~q ʔ/ <t c k q '>
/ts tɬ cɕ kx/ <ts tl cś kg>
/s ɬ ɕ ʎ̝ x ʟ̝ h/ <s sl ś śl g gl h>
/ɹ l j ʎ ɰ/ <r l j ĺ w>
/r ʀ/ <r ř>

/i i̥ ɯ ɯ̥/ <ı i y ẏ>
/e e̥ ɘ ʌ/ <e ė o u>
/a/ <a>
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/n~ɳ ɲ ŋ/ <n ñ g>
/t~ʈ c k ɴ~q ʔ/ <t c k q p>
/ts tɬ cɕ kx/ <ts tl ch kh>
/s ɬ ɕ ʎ̝ x ʟ̝ h/ <s lh sh jlh x gl h>
/ɹ l j ʎ ɰ/ <r l y jl w>
/r ʀ/ <r qr>

/i i̥ ɯ ɯ̥/ <i ï u ü>
/e e̥ ɘ ʌ/ <e ë ou o>
/a/ <a>
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dGudzong Tibetan

/pʰ p b tʰ t d ʈʰ ʈ ɖ c ɟ kʰ k g ʔ/ <ph p b th t d thr tr dr ky gy kh k g 0>
/tsʰ ts dz tɕʰ tɕ dʑ/ <tsh ts dz thy ty dy>
/ɸ β sʰ s z ʂʰ ʂ ʐ ɕʰ ɕ ʑ xʰ x ɣ h ɦ/ <f v sh s z shr sr zr shy sy zy xh x gh h eh>
/m̥ m n̥ n ȵ̊ ȵ ŋ̊ ŋ/ <mh m nh n nhy nh ngh ng>
/l̥ l r j w/ <lh l r y w>
/ʰp ʰt ʰʈ ʰc ʰk ʰts ʰtɕ/ <ap at atr...>
/ʰsʰ ʰs ʰɕʰ ʰɕ ʰx ʰl̥/ <ash...>
/ʱb ʱd ʱɖ ʱɟ ʱg ʱdz ʱdʑ/ <ab...>
/ʱz ʱʐ ʱʑ/ <az...>
/ʱm ʱn ʱȵ ʱŋ ʱl ʱr ʱj/ <am...>
/ᵐb ⁿd ⁿɖ ⁿg ⁿdz ⁿdʑ ⁿɣ/ <mb...>
/ᵐpʰ ⁿtʰ ⁿʈʰ ⁿkʰ ⁿtsʰ ⁿtɕʰ ⁿxʰ ⁿsʰ ⁿɕʰ ⁿl̥/ <mp...>
/ᵐg ᵐtsʰ/ <mg mtsh>
/ᵖt ᵖʈ ᵖʈʰ ᵖk ᵖts ᵖtsʰ ᵖtɕ/ <pt...>
/ᶲt ᶲʈ ᶲtɕ ᶲs ᶲl̥/ <ut...>
/ʷɖ ʷg ʷdʑ ʷʐ ʷn ʷl/ <ud...>
/ˀm ˀn ˀj/ <ham han hay>
/a ɑ ɛ ɔ e ɵ ə o i ʉ ɯ u/ <aa a ea o ei oe e ou i iu u uo>

¯ɕʰi kә ˆpʰә ro ´lәwʔ ʰpɯ `ᶲsɯ ⁿkʰor ´me ʑɑ̃ tɕu ɦo `ᵖtsʰә ʱdʑәʔ ´ʱdʑiː bo ¯ʰtɕiː ˆtɕʰә ɣi ´ɖuː ⁿɕʰɑ̃ ´miː sʰiː ¯ⁿtsʰɯwʔ ʱdʑәʔ ¯ʰʈeː lʉ ɦөʔ ¯ʰsʰә
Shyi ke phe ro lek apu usu nkhor mei zyan tyuo ehou ptshe adyet adyih bo atyih thye ghi druh nshyan mih shih ntshuk adyet atreih liu ehoet ashe.
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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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lizardman-lang thingy:

/n~ɳ ɲ ŋ/ ‹n ń g›
/t~ʈ c k ɴ~q ʔ/ ‹t ć k q ’›
/ts tɬ cɕ kx/ ‹c z ćś kx›
/s ɬ ɕ ʎ̝ x ʟ̝ h/ ‹s ł ś ł̦ x ḻ h›
/ɹ l j ʎ ɰ/ ‹ŗ l j ļ w›
/r ʀ/ ‹r ř›

/i i̥ ɯ ɯ̥/ ‹i ı u ụ›
/e e̥ ɘ ʌ/ ‹e ẹ y o›
/a/ ‹a›

dGudzong Tibetan:

/pʰ p b tʰ t d ʈʰ ʈ ɖ c ɟ kʰ k g ʔ/ ‹ph p b th t d trh tr dr kj gj kh k g q›
/tsʰ ts dz tɕʰ tɕ dʑ/ ‹tsh ts dz tjh tj dj›
/ɸ β sʰ s z ʂʰ ʂ ʐ ɕʰ ɕ ʑ xʰ x ɣ h ɦ/ ‹f v sh s z srh sr zr sjh sj zj xh x gx h gh›
/m̥ m n̥ n ȵ̊ ȵ ŋ̊ ŋ/ ‹mh m nh n njh nj ngh ng›
/l̥ l r j w/ ‹lj l r j w›
/ʰp ʰt ʰʈ ʰc ʰk ʰts ʰtɕ/ ‹h-›
/ʰsʰ ʰs ʰɕʰ ʰɕ ʰx ʰl̥/ ‹h-›
/ʱb ʱd ʱɖ ʱɟ ʱg ʱdz ʱdʑ/ ‹gh-›
/ʱz ʱʐ ʱʑ/ ‹gh-›
/ʱm ʱn ʱȵ ʱŋ ʱl ʱr ʱj/ ‹gh-›
/ᵐb ⁿd ⁿɖ ⁿg ⁿdz ⁿdʑ ⁿɣ/ ‹n-›
/ᵐpʰ ⁿtʰ ⁿʈʰ ⁿkʰ ⁿtsʰ ⁿtɕʰ ⁿxʰ ⁿsʰ ⁿɕʰ ⁿl̥/ ‹n-›
/ᵐg ᵐtsʰ/ ‹m-›
/ᵖt ᵖʈ ᵖʈʰ ᵖk ᵖts ᵖtsʰ ᵖtɕ/ ‹p-›
/ᶲt ᶲʈ ᶲtɕ ᶲs ᶲl̥/ ‹f-›
/ʷɖ ʷg ʷdʑ ʷʐ ʷn ʷl/ ‹w-›
/ˀm ˀn ˀj/ ‹q-›
/a ɑ ɛ ɔ e ɵ ə o i ʉ ɯ u/ ‹ae a ea oa e oe y o i iu ui u›

¯ɕʰi kә ˆpʰә ro ´lәwʔ ʰpɯ `ᶲsɯ ⁿkʰor ´me ʑɑ̃ tɕu ɦo `ᵖtsʰә ʱdʑәʔ ´ʱdʑiː bo ¯ʰtɕiː ˆtɕʰә ɣi ´ɖuː ⁿɕʰɑ̃ ´miː sʰiː ¯ⁿtsʰɯwʔ ʱdʑәʔ ¯ʰʈeː lʉ ɦөʔ ¯ʰsʰә
Sjhi ky phy ro lywq hpui fsui nkhor me zjan tju gho ptshy ghdjy ghdji bo htji tjhy gxi dru nsjhan mi shi ntshuiwq ghdjyq htre liu ghoeq hshy.

...that looks awful. Another attempt?

/pʰ p b tʰ t d ʈʰ ʈ ɖ c ɟ kʰ k g ʔ/ ‹ph p b th t d ṯh ṯ ḏ ḱ ǵ kh k g q›
/tsʰ ts dz tɕʰ tɕ dʑ/ ‹ch c ẓ ćh ć đ›
/ɸ β sʰ s z ʂʰ ʂ ʐ ɕʰ ɕ ʑ xʰ x ɣ h ɦ/ ‹f v sh s z šh š ž śh ś ź xh x gh h ĥ›
/m̥ m n̥ n ȵ̊ ȵ ŋ̊ ŋ/ ‹mh m nh n ńh ń ñh ñ›
/l̥ l r j w/ ‹ļ l r j w›
/ʰp ʰt ʰʈ ʰc ʰk ʰts ʰtɕ/ ‹h-›
/ʰsʰ ʰs ʰɕʰ ʰɕ ʰx ʰl̥/ ‹h-›
/ʱb ʱd ʱɖ ʱɟ ʱg ʱdz ʱdʑ/ ‹ĥ-›
/ʱz ʱʐ ʱʑ/ ‹ĥ-›
/ʱm ʱn ʱȵ ʱŋ ʱl ʱr ʱj/ ‹ĥ-›
/ᵐb ⁿd ⁿɖ ⁿg ⁿdz ⁿdʑ ⁿɣ/ ‹n-›
/ᵐpʰ ⁿtʰ ⁿʈʰ ⁿkʰ ⁿtsʰ ⁿtɕʰ ⁿxʰ ⁿsʰ ⁿɕʰ ⁿl̥/ ‹n-›
/ᵐg ᵐtsʰ/ ‹n-›
/ᵖt ᵖʈ ᵖʈʰ ᵖk ᵖts ᵖtsʰ ᵖtɕ/ ‹p-›
/ᶲt ᶲʈ ᶲtɕ ᶲs ᶲl̥/ ‹f-›
/ʷɖ ʷg ʷdʑ ʷʐ ʷn ʷl/ ‹w-›
/ˀm ˀn ˀj/ ‹q-›
/a ɑ ɛ ɔ e ɵ ə o i ʉ ɯ u/ ‹â a ẹ o ê ŷ e ô i y ı u›

¯ɕʰi kә ˆpʰә ro ´lәwʔ ʰpɯ `ᶲsɯ ⁿkʰor ´me ʑɑ̃ tɕu ɦo `ᵖtsʰә ʱdʑәʔ ´ʱdʑiː bo ¯ʰtɕiː ˆtɕʰә ɣi ´ɖuː ⁿɕʰɑ̃ ´miː sʰiː ¯ⁿtsʰɯwʔ ʱdʑәʔ ¯ʰʈeː lʉ ɦөʔ ¯ʰsʰә
Śhi ke phe rô lewq hpı fsı nkhor mê źan ću ĥô pche ĥđeq ĥđi bô hći ćhe ghi ḏu nśhan mi shi nchıwq ĥđeq hṯê ly ĥŷq hshe.

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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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dGudzong Tibetan Cyrillization:

/pʰ p b tʰ t d ʈʰ ʈ ɖ c ɟ kʰ k g ʔ/ ‹пх п б тх т д чх ч џ ќ ѓ кх к г ҁ›
/tsʰ ts dz tɕʰ tɕ dʑ/ ‹цх ц ѕ ћх ћ ђ›
/ɸ β sʰ s z ʂʰ ʂ ʐ ɕʰ ɕ ʑ xʰ x ɣ h ɦ/ ‹ф в сх с з шх ш ж с́ з́ хх х ғ һ ӷ›
/m̥ m n̥ n ȵ̊ ȵ ŋ̊ ŋ/ ‹мх м нх н њх њ ӈх ӈ›
/l̥ l r j w/ ‹љ л р й ў›
/ʰp ʰt ʰʈ ʰc ʰk ʰts ʰtɕ/ ‹х-›
/ʰsʰ ʰs ʰɕʰ ʰɕ ʰx ʰl̥/ ‹х-›
/ʱb ʱd ʱɖ ʱɟ ʱg ʱdz ʱdʑ/ ‹г-›
/ʱz ʱʐ ʱʑ/ ‹г-›
/ʱm ʱn ʱȵ ʱŋ ʱl ʱr ʱj/ ‹г-›
/ᵐb ⁿd ⁿɖ ⁿg ⁿdz ⁿdʑ ⁿɣ/ ‹н-›
/ᵐpʰ ⁿtʰ ⁿʈʰ ⁿkʰ ⁿtsʰ ⁿtɕʰ ⁿxʰ ⁿsʰ ⁿɕʰ ⁿl̥/ ‹н-›
/ᵐg ᵐtsʰ/ ‹н-›
/ᵖt ᵖʈ ᵖʈʰ ᵖk ᵖts ᵖtsʰ ᵖtɕ/ ‹п-›
/ᶲt ᶲʈ ᶲtɕ ᶲs ᶲl̥/ ‹ф-›
/ʷɖ ʷg ʷdʑ ʷʐ ʷn ʷl/ ‹ф-›
/ˀm ˀn ˀj/ ‹ҁ-›
/a ɑ ɛ ɔ e ɵ ə o i ʉ ɯ u/ ‹ѣ а э ѻ е ь ъ о и ѵ ы у›

¯ɕʰi kә ˆpʰә ro ´lәwʔ ʰpɯ `ᶲsɯ ⁿkʰor ´me ʑɑ̃ tɕu ɦo `ᵖtsʰә ʱdʑәʔ ´ʱdʑiː bo ¯ʰtɕiː ˆtɕʰә ɣi ´ɖuː ⁿɕʰɑ̃ ´miː sʰiː ¯ⁿtsʰɯwʔ ʱdʑәʔ ¯ʰʈeː lʉ ɦөʔ ¯ʰsʰә
С́хи къ пхъ ро лъўҁ хпы фсы нкхор ме з́ан ћу ӷо пцхъ гђъҁ гђи бо хћи ћхъ ғи џу нс́хан ми схи нцхыўҁ гђъҁ хче лѵ ӷьҁ хсхъ.[/quote]

This seems to work much better than Latin. (But that business with /x ɣ h ɦ/ is still ugly, not to mention the qoppas...)

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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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/pʰ p b tʰ t d ʈʰ ʈ ɖ c ɟ kʰ k g ʔ/ <ph p b th t d khr kr gr ky gy kh k g 0>
/tsʰ ts dz tɕʰ tɕ dʑ/ <tsh ts dz ch c j>
/ɸ β sʰ s z ʂʰ ʂ ʐ ɕʰ ɕ ʑ xʰ x ɣ h ɦ/ <f v s sz z hr hvr vr sh szh zh h hv v 'h '>
/m̥ m n̥ n ȵ̊ ȵ ŋ̊ ŋ/ <sm m sn n sny ny sng ng>
/l̥ l r j w/ <lh l r y w>
/ʰp ʰt ʰʈ ʰc ʰk ʰts ʰtɕ/ <'p 't 'kr 'ky 'k 'ts 'c>
/ʰsʰ ʰs ʰɕʰ ʰɕ ʰx ʰl̥/ <'s 'sz 'sh 'szh 'h 'lh>
/ʱb ʱd ʱɖ ʱɟ ʱg ʱdz ʱdʑ/ <'b 'd...>
/ʱz ʱʐ ʱʑ/ <'z...>
/ʱm ʱn ʱȵ ʱŋ ʱl ʱr ʱj/ <'m...>
/ᵐb ⁿd ⁿɖ ⁿg ⁿdz ⁿdʑ ⁿɣ/ <mb nd...>
/ᵐpʰ ⁿtʰ ⁿʈʰ ⁿkʰ ⁿtsʰ ⁿtɕʰ ⁿxʰ ⁿsʰ ⁿɕʰ ⁿl̥/ <mph...>
/ᵐg ᵐtsʰ/ <mg mtsh>
/ᵖt ᵖʈ ᵖʈʰ ᵖk ᵖts ᵖtsʰ ᵖtɕ/ <bt...>
/ᶲt ᶲʈ ᶲtɕ ᶲs ᶲl̥/ <pt...>
/ʷɖ ʷg ʷdʑ ʷʐ ʷn ʷl/ <bd...>
/ˀm ˀn ˀj/ <dm dn dy>
/a ɑ ɛ ɔ e ɵ ə o i ʉ ɯ u/ <ad ag eg og e od a o i ud u ug>
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¯ɕʰi kә ˆpʰә ro ´lәwʔ ʰpɯ `ᶲsɯ ⁿkʰor ´me ʑɑ̃ tɕu ɦo `ᵖtsʰә ʱdʑәʔ ´ʱdʑiː bo ¯ʰtɕiː ˆtɕʰә ɣi ´ɖuː ⁿɕʰɑ̃ ´miː sʰiː ¯ⁿtsʰɯwʔ ʱdʑәʔ ¯ʰʈeː lʉ ɦөʔ ¯ʰsʰә

Shi ka pha ro lap 'pu fszu nkhor me zhang cug 'o btsha 'ja' 'jis bo 'cis cha vi grus nshang mis sis ntshup 'ja' 'kres lud 'ot 'sa.
or
Shi ka pha ro lap hpu fszu nkhor me zhang cug ho btsha hjah hjis bo hcis cha vi grus nshang mis sis ntshup hjah hkres lud hot hsa.
Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
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