Sound Change Quickie Thread

[Pole, the]

Is /b d ɡ/ /v z ɣ/ /ʋ ɹ ɰ/ /w/ attested?

I remember I once made a germanlang with /b d ɡ/ → /v w j/.
Its cognate of "hound" was /oːw/.

[Tiamat]

Is this ok? (context surrounded by languages with front back and rounded unrounded vowel harmony)

Stage 1: I/U umlaut
u, o, ə, a > y ø e æ / _Cj, _Ci[-stress]
i, e, a > ɨ, ə, o / _Cw, _Cu[-stress]
plus collapse of Glide+vowel word initially, so
wa > o
wi > y
we > ø
ju > y
jo > ø
ja > æ
(might extend this to other cases but not atm plus most of these are front non-native words as only really ja and wa appear in native words)

Stage 2: progressive front back vowel harmony
CV[+back]CV[+front] > CV[+back]CV[+back]
CV[+front]CV[+back] > CV[+front]CV[+front]

[Aili Meilani]

ŋ n r → n r l
Plausible?

[Tiamat]

ŋ n r → n r l
Plausible?

I think flip flopping the last two is more realistic (n <> l and l > r changes are decently common i think), but I dont think there is anything inherently bad with what you propose

[Nortaneous]

n > r happened in Albanian

[Tiamat]

n > r happened in Albanian

yeah and some varieties of american english turn /n/ into a nasalized tap in some positions, so one can see that a reasonable intermediate to justify such a sound change even without the albanian example

[Daedolon]

How about this:
C = any consonant

bʰ dʰ gʰ > pʰ tʰ kʰ (Except when word initially or intervocalic)
pʰ tʰ kʰ bʰ dʰ gʰ > f θ x v ð ɣ
Cʷ > Cu

[StrangerCoug]

Looks fine to me.

[Bristel]

Some sound changes for my Proto-Celtic daughter language:

tl, kl, tr, kr ld, lg, rd, rg/V_V
NC N: or C: (which is more likely?)
wL L_V[+rounded]
Cw Cu C_V[+rounded]
w v/V_V

Will definitely add more, especially when I figure out what to do with vowels, syncope, and if I want to turn everything into fricatives, or lose the phi sound as Insular Celtic did.

[Pogostick Man]

tl, kl, tr, kr ld, lg, rd, rg/V_V

Metathesis and then voicing. Depending on the order in which these rules are applied this might have implications for other consonants. Doesn't seem too beyond the pale.

NC N: or C: (which is more likely?)

Off the top of my head I'd say N:, though if I'm wrong please let me know.

wL L_V[+rounded]

What is L here?

Cw Cu C_V[+rounded]

If anything I'd expect *w to be deleted in this position.

w v/V_V

Seems plausible enough.

[Pole, the]

Is it possible for a stressed vowel to assimilate its position to vowels it is preceded by (in the fashion of an inverse umlaut)?

For example,
/ti ˈbaku/ → [ti ˈbɛku]
/lu ˈbaku/ → [lu ˈbɔku]

(It differs from vowel harmony in that here it's the unstressed vowel influencing the stressed one.)

Are there natlangs where that is the case?

[Cedh]

I don't know of any natlang examples, but it certainly seems possible - if not directly, then via allophonic secondary articulation on the intervening consonant:
/ti ˈbaku/ → [ti ˈbʲaku] → [ti ˈbʲɛku] → /ti ˈbɛku/
/lu ˈbaku/ → [lu ˈbʷaku] → [lu ˈbʷɔku] → /lu ˈbɔku/

[Bristel]

wL L_V[+rounded]

What is L here?.

Liquids, in this case /l/ and /r/.

[Bristel]

What should I do with the Proto-Celtic /ɸ/? It was lost in Old Irish and Welsh, *ɸatir OI. athir, *ɸatrijo- W. edrydd.

Before s and t it became /x/ and probably /p/ after an s., but everywhere else it disappeared. I was thinking of keeping it, but then it wouldn't really scream "Celtic" to me.

I suppose it would be nice to decide on a location for the language, so it can be affected by local languages. I was thinking to put it close to Germanic or Italic, but I really just want to make up some interesting sound changes, and "isolate" them... I guess it's not realistic then.

[----]

You could change it to /xw/.

EDIT: even better: change it to /xw/ before back vowels and /h/ or something else before front ones.

[Nannalu]

Does anyone have a link to a list of common sound changes? All I seem to be getting is the wikibooks page explaining the types of sound changes..

[vokzhen]

Nothing with science to back it up, but I have a feeling a few of the most common ones are palatalization, hiatus elimination (assimilation, diphthongization, epenthetic glides), unstressed vowel reduction, intervocal lenition (especially voicing of stops), and nasalization near nasals, in no particular order. Of course, those are pretty broad categories.

[احمکي ارش-ھجن]

How could the consonants /pʶ tʶ q X lʶ/ affect nearby vowels and consonants?

If it's relevant:
Vowel inventory is /a ɛ e i ɔ o ə u ae̯ ao̯/
Common syllable structures are CVCC, CVCC, CVC, CV

[Nortaneous]

turn adjacent high vowels to diphthongs əi əu, maybe lower ə to a. əi əu can be added to with other sound changes: raise a before stressed high vowels, lower i u in stressed position after a, have ae ao raise before high vowels, w/e

[ęzo]

[razed and salted]

[Daedolon]

How about:

ħ > q/_[Front Vowel]
ṛ ḷ > ḷ
ḷ > əɬ

And ways or how can I get /χ ʁ/?

[Dē Graut Bʉr]

You could get them through backing of /x ɣ/, lenition of uvular stops, or from /r/.

[StrangerCoug]

Is fortition from a geminated sibilant to an affricate (e.g. ss ts) attested?

[Aili Meilani]

What intermediate steps are needed to turn ʕ into ʔ?

[vokzhen]

How about:

ħ > q/_[Front Vowel]
ṛ ḷ > ḷ
ḷ > əɬ

It doesn't seem to me like a uvular is any more likely than a pharyngeal before front vowels; if anything, I think the pharyngeal is more likely. Then again, I'm not sure *what* kind of consonant change you'd see there, I'm used to seeing vowels open/centralize near pharyngeals rather than the pharyngeals changing.
I'd be surprised by the last if there isn't devoicing of /l/ in the coda as well, which itself seems like it would probably drag any coda /r/ with it too.

Is fortition from a geminated sibilant to an affricate (e.g. ss ts) attested?

Fairly sure it is, but I can't point to a specific language, I just think I've seen it mentioned here before.

What intermediate steps are needed to turn ʕ into ʔ?

I don't think you need any intermediaries. ʔˤ maybe.