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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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Nortaneous wrote::

/p pʲ tʰ tʲʰ t tʲ kʲʰ kʲ kʰ k qʰ/
<b bi t ti d di ky k g c>
/f fʲ θ θʲ s sʲ h hʲ/


<f fi z zi s si h hi>
/m mʲ n ɲ r j ɮ ɮʲ/
<m mi n ni r j l li>
/ɛ ɔ i ɨ u/ + length
<ö o y ü u> + <ő, ó, ý, ű, ú>
/a e/ + length
<a e> + </á é>
/mast kʰɔːpɮkʲʰɔk. qʰefkʰn taːsakn. qʰefkʰf kʲɨːk tʰ kaːnkʲiɲf fɔkʰf θʲɔkʰ. qʰefkʰmikʲʰ kʰekʲʰp tʰuːmkʲʰip./
[masʲ kxɔːpɬcʰɔɣ. qχefxn̩ taːsaɣn̩. qχefxf cɨːɣ tʰ kaːɲɟiɲf fɔxf θʲɔx. qχefxmɲ̩cʰ kxecʰp tʰuːbmcʰip]
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As Qiang:

/p pʲ tʰ tʲʰ t tʲ kʲʰ kʲ kʰ k qʰ/ <b bi t ti d di q j k~h g~hh kv>
/f fʲ θ θʲ s sʲ h hʲ/ <f fi z zi s x hv hvi>
/m mʲ n ɲ r j ɮ ɮʲ/ <m mi n ni r y l li>
/ɛ ɔ i ɨ u/ <e a i ui u>
/a e/ <аe ea>

/mast kʰɔːpɮkʲʰɔk. qʰefkʰn taːsakn. qʰefkʰf kʲɨːk tʰ kaːnkʲiɲf fɔkʰf θʲɔkʰ. qʰefkʰmikʲʰ kʰekʲʰp tʰuːmkʲʰip./
[masʲ kxɔːpɬcʰɔɣ. qχefxn̩ taːsaɣn̩. qχefxf cɨːɣ tʰ kaːɲɟiɲf fɔxf θʲɔx. qχefxmɲ̩cʰ kxecʰp tʰuːbmcʰip]
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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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Ɔtx: Otk

/p pʲ tʰ tʲʰ t tʲ kʲʰ kʲ kʰ k qʰ/ b p t c d z q j k g v
/f fʲ θ θʲ s sʲ h hʲ/  f fʸ ŧ ŧʸ s sʸ h x
/m mʲ n ɲ r j ɮ ɮʲ/ m l n ǹ r j ƚ ⱡ
/ɛ ɔ i ɨ u/ + length e o i y u
/a e/ + length  a ä
Long vowels are written with macron
/a e/ are less common than the other vowels, and they can only occur in a few environments. Long vowels can only occur in the first syllable. Non-initial vowels are either a copy of the initial vowel or /i/. 

/kʰ k qʰ/ are [x ɣ χ] in most non-initial environments, but /qʰ/ can be a glottal stop word-finally. Clusters of fricative + t are reduced to palatalized fricatives. /i/ is a syllabic nasal after /m ɲ/. Palatalization distinctions are neutralized before /i/ and after non-initial /i/. 

Nasals are prestopped after vowels.

/mast kʰɔːpɮkʲʰɔk. qʰefkʰn taːsakn. qʰefkʰf kʲɨːk tʰ kaːnkʲiɲf fɔkʰf θʲɔkʰ. qʰefkʰmikʲʰ kʰekʲʰp tʰuːmkʲʰip./
[masʲ kxɔːpɬcʰɔɣ. qχefxn̩ taːsaɣn̩. qχefxf cɨːɣ tʰ kaːɲɟiɲf fɔxf θʲɔx. qχefxmɲ̩cʰ kxecʰp tʰuːbmcʰip] Mast kōbƚqog väfkn tāsakn. Vefkf jȳg t kānjiǹf fokf ŧʸok. Vefkmiq käqb tūmqib.
What is this language supposed to be? Is it some sort of Germanic-Salishan hybrid?
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it was supposed to be Kalmyk but I continue to be bad at making things look like other things
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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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ɔtx:

/p pʲ tʰ tʲʰ t tʲ kʲʰ kʲ kʰ k qʰ/ p pi t ti d di ki gi k g q
/f fʲ θ θʲ s sʲ h hʲ/ f fi z zi s si h hi
/m mʲ n ɲ r j ɮ ɮʲ/ m mi n ni r j l li
/ɛ ɔ i ɨ u/ + length è o i y u ě ó í ý ú
/a e/ + length a e á é

Palatalization is either Ci before the vowel or iC after. If the vowel is already i, there's no need to add i again.

/mast kʰɔːpɮkʲʰɔk. qʰefkʰn taːsakn. qʰefkʰf kʲɨːk tʰ kaːnkʲiɲf fɔkʰf θʲɔkʰ. qʰefkʰmikʲʰ kʰekʲʰp tʰuːmkʲʰip./
[masʲ kxɔːpɬcʰɔɣ. qχefxn̩ taːsaɣn̩. qχefxf cɨːɣ tʰ kaːɲɟiɲf fɔxf θʲɔx. qχefxmɲ̩cʰ kxecʰp tʰuːbmcʰip]
Mais kóplkiog. Qefkn tásagn. Qefkf giýg t gánginf fokf ziok. Qefkmik keikp túmkip.

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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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/p pʲ tʰ tʲʰ t tʲ kʲʰ kʲ kʰ k qʰ/ <π πι τ τι δ δι κι γι χ γ χ̌>
/f fʲ θ θʲ s sʲ h hʲ/ <φ φι θ θι ς σι ͱ ͱι>
/m mʲ n ɲ r j ɮ ɮʲ/ <μ μι ν νι ρ ι λ λι>
/ɛ ɔ i ɨ u/ <ε ο ει υ ου>
/a e/ <α η>

Palatalization is either Ci before the vowel or iC after. If the vowel is already i, there's no need to add i again.

/mast kʰɔːpɮkʲʰɔk. qʰefkʰn taːsakn. qʰefkʰf kʲɨːk tʰ kaːnkʲiɲf fɔkʰf θʲɔkʰ. qʰefkʰmikʲʰ kʰekʲʰp tʰuːmkʲʰip./
[masʲ kxɔːpɬcʰɔɣ. qχefxn̩ taːsaɣn̩. qχefxf cɨːɣ tʰ kaːɲɟiɲf fɔxf θʲɔx. qχefxmɲ̩cʰ kxecʰp tʰuːbmcʰip]
Μασι χόπλκιογ. Χ̌ηφχν δάσαγν. Χ̌ηφχφ κιύγ τ γάγγίνφ φοχφ θιοχ. Χ̌ηφμνικι χεκιπ τούμκίπ.
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Μασι χόπλκιογ. Ϙηφχν δάσαγν. Ϙηφχφ κιύγ τ γάγγίνφ φοχφ θιοχ. Ϙηφμνικι χεκιπ τούμκίπ.
Masι kóplkιog. Qêfkhn dásagn. Qêfkhf kιýg t gánginf fokhf thιokh. Qêfkhmnιkι kekιp túmkip.
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/mast kʰɔːpɮkʲʰɔk. qʰefkʰn taːsakn. qʰefkʰf kʲɨːk tʰ kaːnkʲiɲf fɔkʰf θʲɔkʰ. qʰefkʰmikʲʰ kʰekʲʰp tʰuːmkʲʰip./
Mäš kaablčag. Qifkhn dääsagn. Qifkhf čüüg t gäängenf fakhf thiakh. Qifkhmeč kečb tuumčeb.
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Masi kooblcag. Qifkhn daasagn. Qifkhf cwwg t gaangenf fakhf thiakh. Qifkhmic kecb tuumceb.

/e/ = <e i ai>:
* qif because /qʰi/ can't occur
* kecb because /ɛCʲ/ can't occur
* kai (/kʰe:/) because kʰe: + -V = /kʰɔjɔ/ kaya

-V -i = <a e>, <i> in noninitial syllables is palatalization. -me vs. -mi is arbitrary.
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Šwneibac, šwneibac,
Apsuā ryč̣ḳwyncwa.
Apsny azyḩwan
Aša ḳaztwaz,
Apsuā ryč̣ḳwyncwa.
Axakwitraz
Aša ḳaztwaz,
Apsuā ryč̣ḳwyncwa.

O-ḩo-ḩo-o ḩo-o-rada
O-ḩo-ḩo-o ḩo-o-rada-ra
Ažwöan mradoup, ec̣wadouṗ
Uara uda Apsynra!
Ec̣wa-byrlaş Apsynṭwla,
Ulpxa zgwac̣akwa irtypxo,
Gei-šxei rypšdzara zapšnylaz.
Žwlar lamysla iḩarakoiṭ.

Rada, reida, rarira
Rada, rerama, reraša
Nartā riira-ziirou
Afyrxacwa Ran-Guaša
Apsynṭwyla-ipšoč atwyla
Zxy zdinyḩwalaz Ancwa
Zḱyşykwasala imöasx́o gylouṗ
Ryžwaöa eibyrtoiṭ upacwa.

Šwneibac, Apsnyžwlar!
Aišcwa, šwneibac!
Nxyc̣-āxyc̣ ḩaicuṗ!
Ḩazşaz ilapş
Ḩxyup iaḩhymšwo
Pepş laşa ḩzyşuṗ!

Šwneibac, Apsnyžwlar,
Igyleit ḩamra,
Iakwym tašwara!
Urylagwyrǵa,
Anra, aḩşara
Šardāmta, Apsynra.

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Or:
t͡s t͡ʃ t͡ɕ t͡ɕʷ ʈ͡ʂ <ts tsh tjh tshw tsch>
t͡s' t͡ʃ' t͡ɕ' t͡ɕʷ' ʈ͡ʂ' <c ch tj chw tch>
ʃ ʃʷ ɕ ɕʷ ʂ <sh shw sj sjw sch>
ʒ ʒʷ ʑ ʑʷ ʐ <zh zhw zj zjw zch>
ɥ <wj>

Shwneibac, shwneibac,
Aphsuaa rytshkwyncwa.
Aphsny azyxhwan
Asha kazthwaz,
Aphsuaa rytshkwyncwa.
Axakhwithraz
Asha kazthwaz,
Aphsuaa rytshkwyncwa.

O-xho-xho-o xho-o-rada
O-xho-xho-o xho-o-rada-ra
Azhjwan mradoup, etswadoup
Uara uda Aphsynra!
Etswa-byrlasch Aphsyntwla,
Ulphxa zgwacakhwa irthyphxo,
Gei-shxei ryphshdzara zaphshnylaz.
Zhwlar lamysla ixharakhoit.

Rada, reida, rarira
Rada, rerama, rerasha
Narthaa riira-ziirou
Afyrxatswa Ran-Guasha
Aphsyntwyla-iphshotsh athwyla
Zxy zdinyxhwalaz Antswa
Zkjhyschykhwasala imwjasxjo gyloup
Ryzhwawja eibyrthoit uphatswa.
etc.
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/m n̪ n̠ ɲ ŋ p t̪ t̠ c k ɹ̪ ɹ̠ j w l̪ l̠/ <m n ņ nj ŋ b d ḑ dj k r ŗ j v l ļ>
/ᵑʘ ᵑǀ ᵑǃ ᵑǂ ᵑǁ ʘ ǀ ǃ ǂ ǁ/ <mp nt nq ntj nł p t q tj ł>
/i u a/ <i u a>
/ii uu aa/ <í ú á>

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Unqa ukia pákki tjápa japi ania mpidda ŋáŗŗu raiku apa ubbi púnja annau tjiḑḑu uala.

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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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Nortaneous wrote:ɔtx:

/p pʲ tʰ tʲʰ t tʲ kʲʰ kʲ kʰ k qʰ/
/f fʲ θ θʲ s sʲ h hʲ/
/m mʲ n ɲ r j ɮ ɮʲ/
/ɛ ɔ i ɨ u/ + length
/a e/ + length

/a e/ are less common than the other vowels, and they can only occur in a few environments. Long vowels can only occur in the first syllable. Non-initial vowels are either a copy of the initial vowel or /i/.

/kʰ k qʰ/ are [x ɣ χ] in most non-initial environments, but /qʰ/ can be a glottal stop word-finally. Clusters of fricative + t are reduced to palatalized fricatives. /i/ is a syllabic nasal after /m ɲ/. Palatalization distinctions are neutralized before /i/ and after non-initial /i/.

Nasals are prestopped after vowels.

/mast kʰɔːpɮkʲʰɔk. qʰefkʰn taːsakn. qʰefkʰf kʲɨːk tʰ kaːnkʲiɲf fɔkʰf θʲɔkʰ. qʰefkʰmikʲʰ kʰekʲʰp tʰuːmkʲʰip./
[masʲ kxɔːpɬcʰɔɣ. qχefxn̩ taːsaɣn̩. qχefxf cɨːɣ tʰ kaːɲɟiɲf fɔxf θʲɔx. qχefxmɲ̩cʰ kxecʰp tʰuːbmcʰip]
/p pʲ tʰ tʲʰ t tʲ kʲʰ kʲ kʰ k qʰ/ <p pi t ti d di ki gi k g q>
/f fʲ θ θʲ s sʲ h hʲ/ <f fi c ci s si h hy>
/m mʲ n ɲ r j ɮ ɮʲ/ <m mi n ni r ri l li>
/ɛ ɔ i ɨ u/ + length <e o í ì u>
/a e/ + length <a é>

/mast kʰɔːpɮkʲʰɔk. qʰefkʰn taːsakn. qʰefkʰf kʲɨːk tʰ kaːnkʲiɲf fɔkʰf θʲɔkʰ. qʰefkʰmikʲʰ kʰekʲʰp tʰuːmkʲʰip./
[masʲ kxɔːpɬcʰɔɣ. qχefxn̩ taːsaɣn̩. qχefxf cɨːɣ tʰ kaːɲɟiɲf fɔxf θʲɔx. qχefxmɲ̩cʰ kxecʰp tʰuːbmcʰip][/quote]

Mast kooblkiog. Qefkn daasagn. Qefkf kiììk t gaangiínif fokf ciok. Qefkmìgi kekip tuumkiíb.
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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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Modified my clicklang a bit kitchensinky:

Voiceless: /p ʘ t̪ ǀ ǁ ʈ ǃ c ǂ k/
Voiced: /b ᵍʘ d̪ ᵍǀ ᵍǁ ɖ ᵍǃ ɟ ᵍǂ g/
Nasal: /m ᵑʘ n̪ ᵑǀ ᵑǁ ɳ ᵑǃ ɲ ᵑǂ ŋ/
Approximants: / l̪ ɭ ʎ ʟ ɹ̪ ɻ j w/
Vowels: /a e o aː eː oː/
Tone: /˥ ˧ ˩/

/maː˥ɳe d̪eː˧ɭe ɳaː˧d̪a ᵑǁoː˧ɟa ba˥l̪o ᵍʘaː˥ʎe ᵑǂoː˩ba ɟa˥ɖe ja˩be ʟa˧l̪a/
/ᵍǂeː˧ɟa caː˩ɲa weː˧ba ʈaː˧l̪e ba˩ŋa ʟa˩l̪e ᵑǀaː˧ŋa wa˥ʟa ǂaː˥ɹ̪a o˩ka/

Some phonotictocs:

- Tones applies to an entire root.
- Click only happens at the beginning of a root (But a root may be prefixed, making the click word-medial).
- Long vowel only appears at the beginning of a root.
- Voiced clicks may be realized as implosive.
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Voiceless: /p ʘ t̪ ǀ ǁ ʈ ǃ c ǂ k/ <p ʘ t ʇ ʖ r/tr ʗ c ǂ k>
Voiced: /b ᵍʘ d̪ ᵍǀ ᵍǁ ɖ ᵍǃ ɟ ᵍǂ g/ <b gʘ d gʇ gʖ r/dr gʗ j gǂ g>
Nasal: /m ᵑʘ n̪ ᵑǀ ᵑǁ ɳ ᵑǃ ɲ ᵑǂ ŋ/ <m ʘ̃ n ʇ̃ ʖ̃ r/nr ʗ̃ ny ǂ̃ ng>
Approximants: / l̪ ɭ ʎ ʟ ɹ̪ ɻ j w/ <l r/lr ly lh r rr y w>
Vowels: /a i u aː aː uː/ <a i u aa ii uu>
Tone: /˥ ˧ ˩/ <á a à>

/ᵑǃe˥me t̪e˩be ɟeː˧pe ʈa˧ko eː˩t̪e ɖa˥ɟa ke˥ʈa ɟeː˥ɳa ceː˥t̪o/
/ɲa˩go ɳoː˧ʈo pe˥ca ʘa˩ɳa ɖoː˥n̪o ᵑǁo˧n̪o ᵑǁo˩ɟe ɳo˩t̪a ǁeː˩go ʈe˩ɳe ɳoː˧be/

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Voiceless: /p ʘ t̪ ǀ ǁ ʈ ǃ c ǂ k/ <p v t c x tr q ch j k>
Voiced: /b ᵍʘ d̪ ᵍǀ ᵍǁ ɖ ᵍǃ ɟ ᵍǂ g/ <b gv d gc gx dr gq jh gj g>
Nasal: /m ᵑʘ n̪ ᵑǀ ᵑǁ ɳ ᵑǃ ɲ ᵑǂ ŋ/ <m nv n nc nx nr nq nh nj ng>
Approximants: / l̪ ɭ ʎ ʟ ɹ̪ ɻ j w/ <l lr lh gl r rr y w>
Vowels: /a e o aː eː oː/ <a e o aa ee oo>
Tone: /˥ ˧ ˩/ <á a à>

Notice how <Cr> marks retroflexes and <Ch> marks palatals. The orthography of clicks is based on Xhosa of course.

/ᵑǃe˥me t̪e˩be ɟeː˧pe ʈa˧ko eː˩t̪e ɖa˥ɟa ke˥ʈa ɟeː˥ɳa ceː˥t̪o/
Nqéme tèbe jheepe trako èete drájha kétra jhéenra chéeto.
/ɲa˩go ɳoː˧ʈo pe˥ca ʘa˩ɳa ɖoː˥n̪o ᵑǁo˧n̪o ᵑǁo˩ɟe ɳo˩t̪a ǁeː˩go ʈe˩ɳe ɳoː˧be/
Nhàgo nrootro pécha vànra dróono nxono nxòjhe nròta xèego trènre nroobe.

Alternatively we could spell /e: o:/ <i u>, thereby economizing on the length...
Nqéme tèbe jhipe trako ìte drájha kétra jhínra chíto.
Nhàgo nrutro pécha vànra drúno nxono nxòjhe nròta xìgo trènre nrube.

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Voiceless: /p ʘ t̪ ǀ ǁ ʈ ǃ c ǂ k/ <p f t c x s q ç z k>
Voiced: /b ᵍʘ d̪ ᵍǀ ᵍǁ ɖ ᵍǃ ɟ ᵍǂ g/ <b gf d gc gx r gq j gz g>
Nasal: /m ᵑʘ n̪ ᵑǀ ᵑǁ ɳ ᵑǃ ɲ ᵑǂ ŋ/ <m nb n nc nx nr ny nz ng>
Approximants: / l̪ ɭ ʎ ʟ ɹ̪ ɻ j w/ <l lr ly lg rt r y w>
Vowels: /a e o aː eː oː/ <v/a e o a i u>
Tone: /˥ ˧ ˩/ <-t -0 -p>

/maː˥ɳe d̪eː˧ɭe ɳaː˧d̪a ᵑǁoː˧ɟa ba˥l̪o ᵍʘaː˥ʎe ᵑǂoː˩ba ɟa˥ɖe ja˩be ʟa˧l̪a/
/ᵍǂeː˧ɟa caː˩ɲa weː˧ba ʈaː˧l̪e ba˩ŋa ʟa˩l̪e ᵑǀaː˧ŋa wa˥ʟa ǂaː˥ɹ̪a o˩ka/

Matnre dilre nrada nxuja bvtlo gfalye nzupba jvtre yvpbe lgala.
Gzija çanya wiba sale bvpnga lgvple ncanga watlga zatrta opka.


or

Voiceless: /p ʘ t̪ ǀ ǁ ʈ ǃ c ǂ k/ <p p' t t' tl' tr tr' c c' k>
Voiced: /b ᵍʘ d̪ ᵍǀ ᵍǁ ɖ ᵍǃ ɟ ᵍǂ g/ <b b' d d' l' r r' j j' g>
Nasal: /m ᵑʘ n̪ ᵑǀ ᵑǁ ɳ ᵑǃ ɲ ᵑǂ ŋ/ <m m' n n' nl' nr nr' ny ny' ng>
Approximants: / l̪ ɭ ʎ ʟ ɹ̪ ɻ j w/ <l lr ly lg r rr y w>
Vowels: /a e o aː eː oː/ <v/a e o a i u>
Tone: /˥ ˧ ˩/ <-h -0 -q>
...<!> looks better than <'>, I think, so I'll use that instead

Mahnre dilre nrada nl!uja bahlo b!ahlye ny'uqba jvhre yaqbe lgala.
J'ija caqnya wiba trale bvqnga lgvqle n'anga wahlga c'ahra oqka.
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Modified my clicklang a bit kitchensinky:

Voiceless: /p ʘ t̪ ǀ ǁ ʈ ǃ c ǂ k/ p f t s ƚ ť q c w k
Voiced: /b ᵍʘ d̪ ᵍǀ ᵍǁ ɖ ᵍǃ ɟ ᵍǂ g/ b v d z ƛ ď ǥ j y g
Nasal: /m ᵑʘ n̪ ᵑǀ ᵑǁ ɳ ᵑǃ ɲ ᵑǂ ŋ/ m ɱ n ņ ń ň ɲ ʩ ŋ
Approximants: / l̪ ɭ ʎ ʟ ɹ̪ ɻ j w/ l r ľ ɫ r ř i u
Vowels: /a e o aː eː oː/ a e o ā ē ō
Tone: /˥ ˧ ˩/ ˊ Ø ˋ

/maː˥ɳe d̪eː˧ɭe ɳaː˧d̪a ᵑǁoː˧ɟa ba˥l̪o ᵍʘaː˥ʎe ᵑǂoː˩ba ɟa˥ɖe ja˩be ʟa˧l̪a/ Mā́ňe dēľe ňāda ńōja bálo vā́ľe ʩṑba jáďe iàbe ɫala
/ᵍǂeː˧ɟa caː˩ɲa weː˧ba ʈaː˧l̪e ba˩ŋa ʟa˩l̪e ᵑǀaː˧ŋa wa˥ʟa ǂaː˥ɹ̪a o˩ka/ Yēja cā̀ɲa uēba ťāle bàŋa ɫàle Ņāŋa uáɫa wā́ra òka

Some phonotictocs:

- Tones applies to an entire root.
- Click only happens at the beginning of a root (But a root may be prefixed, making the click word-medial).
- Long vowel only appears at the beginning of a root.
- Voiced clicks may be realized as implosive.
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æ ɑ e ə ɔ i y ɯ u
æi ʌi ɯi
æu øʉ ʏʉ
eə oə iə uə
All vowels can take contrastive nasalization (-ɴ) and length.
There are also three extra-short vowels: ĭ ɨ̆ ŭ

pʰ p pˤʰ pˤ t̪ˤʰ t̪ˤ tʰ t tsʰ kʰ k qˤʰ qˤ
tʃʰ tʃ tʂˤʰ tʂˤ
f v fˤ (vˤ) s z sˤ (zˤ) ʃ ʒ ʂˤ ɻˤ h
m n ɲ ŋ
ɾ ɻ ʕ

Tones:
áʔ ā à ǎ â

ûə tˤ nūə̯ːf wɯ̄ːɴ n tˤʰ sə̄ːɴ tˤŭwɯ̄ː tspʃỳːɴ wɯ̂ʃəm wə̀ ʂˤɔ̄ːɴgɨ̆ wēːɴ ɯ̄s tʂˤʰiːə̯vˤɨ̆ kʰǣːi̯m ʕɔ̌ɴ wəɻˤǐə̯ n ə wɔ̄ːm qˤʰǿʉ̯ʔ. tˤæːi̯ təɴkɻˤɯ̌i̯ː tˤ wə̄ɴ ʏ̄ʉ̯ fɯ̄ːʂˤ təɴsksǐː ɯ̄ɴ mæ̂i̯ːɴ tˤ tʂˤʰiːə̯vˤɨ̆ tsʰǽi̯ʔkʰɑf ɯ̀s qˤʰǿʉ̯ʔ wɯ̀ pɯ̀i̯ kn̩sɯ̂ː ʂˤɔɴkɨ̆ tn tˤ əːvɨ̆.
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æ ɑ e ə ɔ i y ɯ u <ae a ei e o i y eu u>
æi ʌi ɯi <ai ui ee>
æu øʉ ʏʉ <au oe ue>
eə oə iə uə <ea oa ia ua>
<an a̱>
There are also three extra-short vowels: ĭ ɨ̆ ŭ <i e u>

pʰ p pˤʰ pˤ t̪ˤʰ t̪ˤ tʰ t tsʰ kʰ k qˤʰ qˤ <p b ṗ ḅ ṭ ḍ t d c k g ḳ ġ>
tʃʰ tʃ tʂˤʰ tʂˤ <č j ċ ż>
f v fˤ (vˤ) s z sˤ (zˤ) ʃ ʒ ʂˤ ɻˤ h <f v f ṿ s z ṡ ż š ž ṣ ṛ h>
m n ɲ ŋ <m n ñ ng>
ɾ ʕ <r ḥ>

Tones:
áʔ ā à ǎ â <á ā à ǎ â>

ûə tˤ nūə̯ːf wɯ̄ːɴ n tˤʰ sə̄ːɴ tˤŭwɯ̄ː tspʃỳːɴ wɯ̂ʃəm wə̀ ʂˤɔ̄ːɴgɨ̆ wēːɴ ɯ̄s tʂˤʰiːə̯vˤɨ̆ kʰǣːi̯m ʕɔ̌ɴ wŭɻˤǐə̯ n ə wɔ̄ːm qˤʰǿʉ̯ʔ. tˤæːi̯ təɴkɻˤɯ̌i̯ː tˤ wə̄ɴ ʏ̄ʉ̯ fɯ̄ːʂˤ təɴsksǐː ɯ̄ɴ mæ̂i̯ːɴ tˤ tʂˤʰiːə̯vˤɨ̆ tsʰǽi̯ʔkʰɑf ɯ̀s qˤʰǿʉ̯ʔ wɯ̀ pɯ̀i̯ kn̩sɯ̂ː ʂˤɔɴkɨ̆ tn tˤ əːvɨ̆.

Ûa ṭ nû̱ef wē̱un n ṭ sē̱n ṭuwē̱u cpšỳ̱n wêušem wè ṣō̱nge wē̱n ēus ċia̱ṿe kā̱im ḥǒn wuṛîa n a wō̱m ḳóe.

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æ ɑ e ə ɔ i y ɯ u <ae a ei e o i y eu u>
æi ʌi ɯi <ai oi ui>
æu øʉ ʏʉ <au oe ue>
eə oə iə uə <ea oa ia ua>
<an 0>
There are also three extra-short vowels: ĭ ɨ̆ ŭ <i e u>

pʰ p pˤʰ pˤ t̪ˤʰ t̪ˤ tʰ t tsʰ kʰ k qˤʰ qˤ <p b ph bh t d tt dd ts k g kh gh>
tʃʰ tʃ tʂˤʰ tʂˤ <c j ch jh>
f v fˤ (vˤ) s z sˤ (zˤ) ʃ ʒ ʂˤ ɻˤ h <f v fh vh s z sh zh x zx xh r h>
m n ɲ ŋ <m n ñ ng>
ɾ ʕ <rr q>

Tones:
áʔ ā à ǎ â <á ā~a à ǎ â>

ûə tˤ nūə̯ːf wɯ̄ːɴ n tˤ sə̄ːɴ tˤŭwɯ̄ː tspʃỳːɴ wɯ̂ʃəm wə̀ ʂˤɔ̄ːɴgɨ̆ wēːɴ ɯ̄s tʂˤʰiːə̯vˤɨ̆ kʰǣːi̯m ʕɔ̌ɴ wŭɻˤǐə̯ n ə wɔ̄ːm qˤʰǿʉ̯ʔ. tˤæːi̯ təɴkɻˤɯ̌i̯ː tˤ wə̄ɴ ʏ̄ʉ̯ fɯ̄ːʂˤ təɴsksǐː ɯ̄ɴ mæ̂i̯ːɴ tˤ tʂˤʰiːə̯vˤɨ̆ tsʰǽi̯ʔkʰɑf ɯ̀s qˤʰǿʉ̯ʔ wɯ̀ pɯ̀i̯ kn̩sɯ̂ː ʂˤɔɴkɨ̆ tn tˤ əːvɨ̆.

Ûeh d nuef weun n d sen duweu tsbxỳn wêuxem wèh xhonge wen eus chiavhe kaim qǒnh wurǐa n ë wom khóe. Dai ddengruǐ t wen ue feuxh ddensgsǐ eun maîn d chiavhe tsáikaf èus khóe wèuhbùih kensêu xhonge ddën d ēve.

or

Ṷe d nuef wën n t sän duwë c̖pxüün w̭ëxem w̖ä xhonge wen ës çh̭ievhe kaim qo̬n w̬urie n ä wom k̗hö. Dai ḓhengrëii d wän üw fëxh ḓhensgsii ën maiin d çh̭iavhe c̗aikaf ë̖s k̗hö w̖ë b̖ëi k̬ensëë xhonge dhn d äve.
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Meung

æ ɑ e ə ɔ i y ɯ u æ a e ə o i ʉ ư u
æi ʌi ɯi all plus j
æu øʉ ʏʉ plus w
eə oə iə uə plus q
All vowels can take contrastive nasalization (-ɴ) and length. ƞ ā
There are also three extra-short vowels: ĭ ɨ̆ ŭ ï û ü

pʰ p pˤʰ pˤ t̪ˤʰ t̪ˤ tʰ t tsʰ kʰ k qˤʰ qˤ p b p̈ b̈ ẗ d̈ t d c k g ǥ z
tʃʰ tʃ tʂˤʰ tʂˤ q j ch zh
f v fˤ (vˤ) s z sˤ (zˤ) ʃ ʒ ʂˤ ɻˤ h f v f̈ s ss s̈ x xx ẍ ẍẍ h
m n ɲ ŋ m n ñ ṅ
ɾ ɻ ʕ r ḻ ʿ

Tones:
áʔ ā à ǎ â ı ƨ ȝ ч
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/æ ɑ e ə ɔ i y ɯ u/ <a̛ a e̛ e o i y ư u>
/æi ʌi ɯi/ <a̛i ai ưi>
/æu øʉ ʏʉ/ <a̛u ou yu>
/eə oə iə uə/ <e̛e oe ie ue>
Nasalisation, length: <Ṽ, VV>
There are also three extra-short vowels: /ĭ ɨ̆ ŭ/ <ị ẹ ụ>

/pʰ p pˤʰ pˤ t̪ˤʰ t̪ˤ tʰ t tsʰ kʰ k qˤʰ qˤ/ <b p p' b' d' t' d t ts g k x q>
/tʃʰ tʃ tʂˤʰ tʂˤ/ <ch c tsr ts'r>
/f v fˤ (vˤ) s z sˤ (zˤ) ʃ ʒ ʂˤ ɻˤ h/ <f v f' (v') s z s' (z') sh zh s'r r' h>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n nh ng>
/ɾ ɻ ʕ/ <rh r '>

/áʔ ā à ǎ â/ <á a à ǎ â>

/ûə tˤ nūə̯ːf wɯ̄ːɴ n tˤʰ sə̄ːɴ tˤŭwɯ̄ː tspʃỳːɴ wɯ̂ʃəm wə̀ ʂˤɔ̄ːɴgɨ̆ wēːɴ ɯ̄s tʂˤʰiːə̯vˤɨ̆ kʰǣːi̯m ʕɔ̌ɴ wəɻˤǐə̯ n ə wɔ̄ːm qˤʰǿʉ̯ʔ. tˤæːi̯ təɴkɻˤɯ̌i̯ː tˤ wə̄ɴ ʏ̄ʉ̯ fɯ̄ːʂˤ təɴsksǐː ɯ̄ɴ mæ̂i̯ːɴ tˤ tʂˤʰiːə̯vˤɨ̆ tsʰǽi̯ʔkʰɑf ɯ̀s qˤʰǿʉ̯ʔ wɯ̀ pɯ̀i̯ kn̩sɯ̂ː ʂˤɔɴkɨ̆ tn tˤ əːvɨ̆/
Ûe t' nueef wữữ n d' seen t'ụwưư tspshỹ̀ỹ̀ wư̂shem wè s'rõõgẹ wẽ̛ẽ̛ ưs tsriiev'ẹ ga̛a̛im 'õ̌ wer'ǐe n e woom xóu. T'a̛a̛i tẽkr'ư̌ii t' wẽ yu fưưs'r tẽsksǐǐ ữ mã̛̂ii t' tsriiev'ẹ chá̛igaf ừs xóu wừ pừi knsư̂ư̂ s'rõkẹ tn t' eevẹ.
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Nortaneous wrote:Meung

æ ɑ e ə ɔ i y ɯ u
a â ê e o i y u û
æi ʌi ɯi
ai oi ui
æu øʉ ʏʉ
au eu yu
eə oə iə uə
êe oe ie ue
All vowels can take contrastive nasalization (-ɴ) and length.
n, doubled vowel
There are also three extra-short vowels: ĭ ɨ̆ ŭ į ę ų

pʰ p pˤʰ pˤ t̪ˤʰ t̪ˤ tʰ t tsʰ kʰ k qˤʰ qˤ
p b pğ bğ tğ dğ t d c k g kğ gğ
tʃʰ tʃ tʂˤʰ tʂ
č j čğ jğ
f v fˤ (vˤ) s z sˤ (zˤ) ʃ ʒ ʂˤ ɻˤ h
f v fğ vğ s z sğ zğ š ž šğ žğ h
m n ɲ ŋ
m n ń ň
ɾ ɻ ʕ w
r ŕ ğ w

Tones:
áʔ ā à ǎ â
aq a ä á à

ûə tˤ nūə̯ːf wɯ̄ːɴ n tˤʰ sə̄ːɴ tˤŭwɯ̄ː tspʃỳːɴ wɯ̂ʃəm wə̀ ʂˤɔ̄ːɴgɨ̆ wēːɴ ɯ̄s tʂˤʰiːə̯vˤɨ̆ kʰǣːi̯m ʕɔ̌ɴ wəɻˤǐə̯ n ə wɔ̄ːm qˤʰǿʉ̯ʔ. tˤæːi̯ təɴkɻˤɯ̌i̯ː tˤ wə̄ɴ ʏ̄ʉ̯ fɯ̄ːʂˤ təɴsksǐː ɯ̄ɴ mæ̂i̯ːɴ tˤ tʂˤʰiːə̯vˤɨ̆ tsʰǽi̯ʔkʰɑf ɯ̀s qˤʰǿʉ̯ʔ wɯ̀ pɯ̀i̯ kn̩sɯ̂ː ʂˤɔɴkɨ̆ tn tˤ əːvɨ̆.
Ùe dğ nuuef wuun n tğ seen dğųwuu cpšÿÿn wùšem wë šğoongę wêên us čğiievğę kaaim ğón wežğíe n e woom kğeuq. Dğaai denkžğúúi dğ wen yu fuušğ densgsíí un mààin dğ čğiievğę caiqkâf üs kğeuq wü püi gnsùù šğongę dn dğ eevę.

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æ ɑ e ə ɔ i y ɯ u <ae a ei e o ey eu i ou>
æi ʌi ɯi <ai oi ui>
æu øʉ ʏʉ <au oe ue>
eə oə iə uə <ea oa ia ua>
All vowels can take contrastive nasalization (-ɴ) and length.
<n á> (I'm probably going to get rid of some of the length-producing sound changes so there'll be fewer of them in here)
There are also three extra-short vowels: ĭ ɨ̆ ŭ <e a o>

pʰ p pˤʰ pˤ t̪ˤʰ t̪ˤ tʰ t tsʰ kʰ k qˤʰ qˤ <p b pg bg tg dg t d cy ch c cgh cg>
tʃʰ tʃ tʂˤʰ tʂ <ty dy tgh dgh>
f v fˤ (vˤ) s z sˤ (zˤ) ʃ ʒ ʂˤ ɻˤ h <f v fg vg s z sg zg sch zch sgh zgh h>
m n ɲ ŋ <m n ny ng>
ɾ ʕ w <r g w>

Tones:
áʔ ā à ǎ â
-t# a -d# à agh>

ûə tˤ nūə̯ːf wɯ̄ːɴ n tˤʰ sə̄ːɴ tˤŭwɯ̄ː tspʃỳːɴ wɯ̂ʃəm wə̀ ʂˤɔ̄ːɴgɨ̆ wēːɴ ɯ̄s tʂˤʰiːə̯vˤɨ̆ kʰǣːi̯m ʕɔ̌ɴ wəɻˤǐə̯ n ə wɔ̄ːm qˤʰǿʉ̯ʔ. tˤæːi̯ təɴkɻˤɯ̌i̯ː tˤ wə̄ɴ ʏ̄ʉ̯ fɯ̄ːʂˤ təɴsksǐː ɯ̄ɴ mæ̂i̯ːɴ tˤ tʂˤʰiːə̯vˤɨ̆ tsʰǽi̯ʔkʰɑf ɯ̀s qˤʰǿʉ̯ʔ wɯ̀ pɯ̀i̯ kn̩sɯ̂ː ʂˤɔɴkɨ̆ tn tˤ əːvɨ̆.
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æ ɑ e ə ɔ i y ɯ u <ae a e ë o i ü ue u>
æi ʌi ɯi <ei ai ui>
æu øʉ ʏʉ <eu ou iu>
eə oə iə uə <eë oe ie uë>
All vowels can take contrastive nasalization (-ɴ) and length.
<Vn VV> (I'm probably going to get rid of some of the length-producing sound changes so there'll be fewer of them in here)
There are also three extra-short vowels: ĭ ɨ̆ ŭ <e a o>

pʰ p pˤʰ pˤ t̪ˤʰ t̪ˤ tʰ t tsʰ kʰ k qˤʰ qˤ <p b p' b' dd' dd t d ts k g q' q>
tʃʰ tʃ tʂˤʰ tʂ <q j x' x>
f v fˤ (vˤ) s z sˤ (zˤ) ʃ ʒ ʂˤ ɻˤ h <f v f' v' s z s' z' sh zh sr r h>
m n ɲ ŋ <m n ny ng>
ɾ ʕ w <rr ' w>

Tones:
áʔ ā à ǎ â
<ā a à ǎ á>

/ûə tˤ nūə̯ːf wɯ̄ːɴ n tˤʰ sə̄ːɴ tˤŭwɯ̄ː tspʃỳːɴ wɯ̂ʃəm wə̀ ʂˤɔ̄ːɴgɨ̆ wēːɴ ɯ̄s tʂˤʰiːə̯vˤɨ̆ kʰǣːi̯m ʕɔ̌ɴ wəɻˤǐə̯ n ə wɔ̄ːm qˤʰǿʉ̯ʔ. tˤæːi̯ təɴkɻˤɯ̌i̯ː tˤ wə̄ɴ ʏ̄ʉ̯ fɯ̄ːʂˤ təɴsksǐː ɯ̄ɴ mæ̂i̯ːɴ tˤ tʂˤʰiːə̯vˤɨ̆ tsʰǽi̯ʔkʰɑf ɯ̀s qˤʰǿʉ̯ʔ wɯ̀ pɯ̀i̯ kn̩sɯ̂ː ʂˤɔɴkɨ̆ tn tˤ əːvɨ̆./

Úë dd nuëëf wuen n dd' sëën ddŭwuee tspshǜn wúeshëm wë̀ sroonga ween ues x'iiëv'a kaeeam 'ǒn wërǐë n ë woom q'ōu. ddaeei tënkrǔii dd wën iu fueesr tënsksǐǐ uen máeiin dd x'iiëv'a tsāeikaf ùes q'ōu wùe pùi knsúee sronka dn dd ëëva.
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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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/b t c k kʷ ʔ/
/f ħ h/
/m n/
/l w/

/i ɨ ʉ u a e ə a ɑ ɒ/
/˦ ˧ ˨ ˨˦ ˦˨ ˥˩/

Syllable structure is (C)V(t c k ʔ f m n)
no diphthongs, vowel clusters are allowed
/t c k ʔ f m n/ can geminate across syllable boundaries

ħɑfha˧.˨˦ bɨnkʷe˥˩.˦ inneə˦.˦.˨˦ baʔ˧ huʉn˨.˨˦ luham˨˦.˧
(im unsure if I did the IPA tones correctly)

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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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you can do it that way i suppose - it's clearer to read - but usually you put a tone mark after each syllable. in this case i'd probably use diacritics or tone numbers instead tbh.

on that note i'm not 100% sure about having 42 and 51 tones - of course, it's possible, but i'd say they're not as distinct as the other tones.

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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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/b t c k kʷ ʔ/ b t c k qu x
/f ħ h/ f ħ h
/m n/ m n
/l w/ l w

/i ɨ ʉ u a e ə a ɑ ɒ/ i y ư u a ê e a â o
/˦ ˧ ˨ ˨˦ ˦˨ ˥˩/ á a à ã ạ ả

Syllable structure is (C)V(t c k ʔ f m n)
no diphthongs, vowel clusters are allowed
/t c k ʔ f m n/ can geminate across syllable boundaries

ħɑfha˧.˨˦ bɨnkʷe˥˩.˦ inneə˦.˦.˨˦ baʔ˧ huʉn˨.˨˦ luham˨˦.˧
Ħâfhã bỷnquế ínnếẽ bax hùữn lúham.

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