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I am trying my absolute best to describe and explain things with the least amount of ambiguity here, but somehow and somewhere things get lost in translation, usually from me missing such a tiny bit of information and suddenly a wave of assumptions spring up from the readers. This is my 6th-7th attempt, each time I think I find better ways to put forth the information.

Please help me. I am here to ask for help, and learn, not be belittled and ridiculed as stupid. I understand everything in this post might be exactly as I say it due the fact I am still learning. But this is not the first time I've tried. If you can't or don't wish to help, please simply mention so or do not comment.

This post looks long, but trust me, it needs to be. If you try responding without reading the whole thing, you might either get confused or angry for some reason.

OVERALL: I need help linguistically categorizing my conlang. All others before have failed, and there is debate about how to go about it. This includes professional linguists and those who are taking linguistic courses in college as a major for study.


CON-HISTORY: Etihus is a conlang used in my conworld Meer'Et, Etihus was a language specifically created for the various natives to use, spoken, written, and signed. It was designed to be universal, hard to evolve, and understood by all the caste-races and all the nations. So this means in Meer'Et, there is only one form of major communication based in Etihus. Some changes have occurred over its history, but the world technologically and socially developed quickly before entering a long period of static, like the dark ages.


ACTUAL HISTORY: I created Etihus before I knew some details about linguistics. My goal was to create a language a priori for my fantasy. I didn't know very much about other languages, but I knew enough that I hated English for being a pathetic method of human communication. So I built my conlang in ways to try and help fix some of these issues while borrowing some ideas from a very old conlang of mine.

So far, it had been very easy to explain and describe to people without linguistic background. I started studying linguistics early this year so that I could find languages similar to mine so that I could better explain it. It was too hard to do alone but I found conlanging, as a term and community for the first time. So I studied conlanging and looked at what others had made and I was amazed at how many people were making their conlangs so close to English. In fact, I began to think that Klingon, Quenya, and Dothraki were all heavily based on English.

Then I learned that I knew more about basic linguistics than I thought through my middle-high school education in English. I learned English as a language. It wasn't that these conlangs were strongly based in English, mine was just that alien! I had accidentally created a conlang alien from language itself instead of just my native natlang.

It became increasing difficult to find terminology to apply to my conlang. To those who know and study linguistics, it is an incredible battle that leaves everyone befuddled or astonished. After a few months of study, I finally found the first one: oligosynthetic. Since then I came across more but that hasn't made it easier.



So, how hard can this be? Well, nobody can even figure out what morphosyntactic alignment it uses. Most people believe that MSA doesn't even apply to Etihus.



[[ My view on current linguistics: As a side-note, through conlanging and the time I put into trying to explain my conlang, I have come to seriously question linguistics as it is currently taught. I realize that language as a study is not just an observable science, it's an art. Language is something we build, construct, morph, mold, assemble, and disassemble. It has more in common with culinary arts and technology than it does history or math. But all linguistic study has a biased focus on natlangs. That said, I believe that current linguistics is inadequately and incorrectly describing the actual usage of [human] language.

If linguistics really has a handle on how human communication actually works, then new languages and conlangs that fit outside the spectrum of its function should be impossible. ]]


FEATURES OF ETIHUS:

• Type of writing system: Semaphonetic* (see below)

• Writing direction: top to bottom in vertical lines left-to-right

• There is no use of consonants or vowels as a basis for the language

• "Pro-dropping" of verbs

• Oligosynthetic language – 60 root-morphemes

• More than 6 million possible words under 4 syllables

• Less than 10 grammar rules

• No nouns, verbs, adjectives, adverbs, case, gender, etc. are distinguished

• The numeric system is not a base (base 10, base 12, etc.) and revolves around completely different principles

• Several words can be created that have no analogous meaning in English

• Easier and faster to learn, write, read, and understand than English

• No Passive Voice

• Grammatically the subject is always the agent

• Syntactic ambiguity is impossible



FUNCTIONALITY OF ETIHUS

Now for the hardest part and the latest attempt. I think the best way to start is to simply say that Etihus technically has no letters. That, I hope, helps clear up a lot of misunderstandings. Instead, it uses semaphonemes, a term I invented to help explain this conlang.

A semaphoneme is a unit of semantics that is collectively a sememe, phoneme, and grapheme. The conlang aUI by Dr. John W. Weilgart utilizes semaphonemes. A letter, free morpheme, and a grapheme all-in-one. This is what Etihus is built on, "letter-words".

Etihus does have an "alphabet" but it is not a true alphabet by linguistic definition. Instead the conlang organizes each of the 40 semaphonemes in an order from greatest to least, plus about 20 more affixes not part of the "alphabet".



The second part to Etihus is that it arranges information in an exact and linear fashion from the most important core followed by supporting descriptions. Morphology and syntax share the same rules in this regard. The concept of nouns, verbs, adjectives/adverbs, pronouns, all of that is thrown out. Words in Etihus do not have their part of speech attached. Any complications or ambiguity created by them are gone. By technicality, every word in Etihus is broken down into simply raw concepts.

Words are created by merging semaphonemes (So there is no CVC, CCV, etc. format, consonants and vowels aren't "used" and the speakers of the conlang would not know what a consonant or vowel was). Instead, there is complete freedom between the semaphonemes. Each semaphoneme can function as any part of speech in any part of a word. The main principle is that a semaphoneme following one will describe it, and the one following that will describe those two, etcetera ad infinitum.

I'll give an example using English only, just to explain the functionality:

If you write: house-big in Etihus, you are describing a house that is big since the concept of "big" follows "house". In Etihus grammar, you have only stated the existence of a single object (not an object and an adjective), a big house. But if you reversed it to big-house, now you are using "house" to describe the concept of "big". You have basically stated "big as a house". Now you have still only mentioned a single raw concept in Etihus, and you can use "big-house" as your subject and agent.

If you really wanted to attach linguistic terms, basically every word in Etihus is usually a "noun", but entire concepts, even arguments, can be completed using only a single word or word-phrase. Etihus does use the S-V-O layout in the event it needs to, but there is not always a verb or an object present, and what in English or most languages use the V and O can be completed in 'only' the S with Etihus.

The first word in every sentence is always the subject and agent. It is then followed by that which describes it. Action/performances by the S in this regard is married into the same category as adjectives and adverbs as descriptives. If you want to describe an action (verb) that the subject/agent is performing.

This was a list of sentences I was asked to translate. They do use very raw concepts (Etihus by its nature is a very exacting language, but these suffice for the notion being described)

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"Why is zkhli-kye uncommon?"
-- "Zkhli-kye" is uncommon [in speech] because it can sound closely related to "zkhli kye", which means something different.

"Zkhli-kye" is spoken as if it were nearly one word, which describes the window's breakage as a passive sentence. But separating them without the hyphen, now you are describing the window is performing the act of breaking as an active sentence. Now it is possible to speak this separation in the form of a pause between words. It is acceptable in writing (because the space between the words is clear) but uncommon in speech as you can see.

"Sec" (meaning the/this/that) as a word is an exception of the directionality of descriptives and helps create specificity. By attaching another word to it, sec allows a changed shift in the flow of description. So by using "Sec-kye zkhli" you are describing the window's breakage.

"Why does zkhli-kye sound too much like zkhli kye, but cuffari-tikhm not too much like cuffari tikhm?"
-- The word tik means "down". So cuffari tik would be: "dog down" or "going down", essentially falling. Adding "hm" as a suffix turns tik into an active verb, describing the direction of down as a directional verb, "going down", essentially falling.

Cuffari tikhm as an active sentence with an active verb suffices, the dog is performing the action of moving in a downward direction.

Cuffari-tikhm as a passive sentence with an active verb inherently means the same thing, the dog is performing the act of moving downward upon itself... though it does open the door to specifying "the dog's fall" in a more complex sentence.

With added information, the two would split and the specifics would have to be worded differently. If we are talking about the dog being pushed and now falling or to describe the dog's fall, cuffari-tikhm would be the preference. As opposed to the dog ducking for cover after being shot at, cuffari tikhm would become the preference.

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Someone in another forum accused me of bragging and did not read the entire post. Please don't do that. I'm just trying to find ways to explain my conlang and how it works to others.

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For what I believe is important context, here's a past thread discussing Etihus on CWS.
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Having been one of the voices in that dsicussion, I can categorically say that Teague (Sew'Kyetuh) is grossly misrepresenting our position, in order to maintain his belief that his conlang is as special as he believes. My own conclusions about Etihus include that it has direct alignment (despite Teague's insistence no-one knows what alignment it is), typologically ordinary in its phonology (again contrary to Teague's own claims), and has very free zero-derivation.

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KathTheDragon wrote:Having been one of the voices in that dsicussion, I can categorically say that Teague (Sew'Kyetuh) is grossly misrepresenting our position, in order to maintain his belief that his conlang is as special as he believes. My own conclusions about Etihus include that it has direct alignment (despite Teague's insistence no-one knows what alignment it is), typologically ordinary in its phonology (again contrary to Teague's own claims), and has very free zero-derivation.
All I do is explain how the conlang works.

But there are several as I said who disagree with you. Some suggest nominative, others MSA doesn't apply.

Somebody is wrong, and somebody is right. I noticed to everyone who bothered paying attention tends to form the crowd of no MSA.

I'll explain again, if you will pay attention: Etihus pro-drops verbs. What MSA does that? If it isn't special, then study my conlang and explain what is specifically not special of it, and why. You are yet to do this.
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To be honest, I've been hoping that you'd come here so that the crowd here could set you straight. Now my wish has been granted, and I will sit back and enjoy the show.

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Sew'Kyetuh wrote:For the record, here's this:

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why don't you try using a syntax tree that actually complies with anything resembling current linguistic theory before you drag an entire field.

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*minus a whole lotta movement and some AspPs and vPs etc that i'm way too lazy to show, so, in the surface structure "the girls" would be raised above the TP, which is why the word order is different

as you can see, most of your complaints about "traditional" syntax trees are, uh, well. /buzzer error noise

i have a lot more to say but don't have the time right now

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Teague wrote:English for being a pathetic method of human communication
I do not know how you can claim this when you don't know any other language...
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Please provide a sentence that demonstrates that the language is not Direct Alignment. Dropping of verbs is not an element of alignment, so that is not evidence against.

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Note that direct alignment means that the categories of A, O and S are not morphologically marked.

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KathTheDragon wrote:Note that direct alignment means that the categories of A, O and S are not morphologically marked.
That's not the definition I'm familiar with; in direct alignment, as I understand it, S/O/A have no distinguishing morphosyntactic marking at all, and agent/patient relationships are just marked pragmatically.

This means that a language which has no distinctive morphological marking of agents and patients may still mark them via (say) word order, and therefore not have direct alignment.

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Really? I was not aware that word order counted - in which case, I've been making that same mistake for quite some time.

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KathTheDragon wrote:Really? I was not aware that word order counted - in which case, I've been making that same mistake for quite some time.
Word order would be the "Syntactic" portion of "Morph-Syntactic Alignment". :-D


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Put me in the camp of "nominative-accusative" alignment.
Sew'Kyetuh wrote:The girl ran.
Syh-loba.

The dog fell.
Cuffari-tikhm.
So, for intransitive sentences, we have Subject-Verb word order.

Sew'Kyetuh wrote:The girl hit the boy.
Syh kye sgh.

The boy hit the girl.
Sgh kye syh.
Transitive sentences have Agent-Verb-Patient word order.

Therefore, since the intransitive subject and the transitive agent are in the same position, this is nominative-accusative word order. Because there isn't any other marking to distinguish subject, agent, or patient, I would say the language has simple nominative-accusative alignment. The nouns don't have to be morphologically marked in order to have accusative alignment. Just look at the English translations above: "the girl hit the boy" versus "the boy hit the girl". The nouns don't change form, and neither does the verb. Still, English is nominative accusative due to word order (in addition to pronouns having accusative forms).

The one thing I will ask here: why do intransitive sentences use a hyphen between subject and verb, while transitive sentences don't?

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Regarding the phonology and "semaphonemes", I would say we can still analyze the language in terms of phones, syllables, etc. It's simply that the speakers might not think of their language in those terms since there are only 60 roots, and each of those has it's own writing symbol so that the writing isn't broken down into pieces that each represent a phoneme (as in, "letters" of an "alphabet"). The writing system, to me, sounds like a syllabary, except that 1 symbol can represent a root than has more than 1 syllable. In that aspect, it's a little more like ideograms, except that the symbols don't directly represent specific concepts.

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Every once in a while, the ZBB and other conlanging forums have someone show up who claims that the entire field of linguistics has it wrong, and somehow they and their conlang, made as an amateur knowledge of linguistics, can show that thousands of people who have dedicated entire careers to the field don't know what they are talking about. This generally results in 1 or more contentious threads in which the conlanging community tries to educate the person in question. Sometimes they are willing to learn, and sometimes not.

All I can advise here is continuing to learn about linguistics and asking questions about topics that are difficult to understand.
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Vardelm wrote:
KathTheDragon wrote:Really? I was not aware that word order counted - in which case, I've been making that same mistake for quite some time.
Word order would be the "Syntactic" portion of "Morph-Syntactic Alignment". :-D
Quite. I'm not sure how I got it into my head, but it's sure as heck out now.

In which case, Etihus is very definitely nominative-accusative.

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Barring additional information, throw me in with nom-acc.
Sew'Kyetuh wrote:I'll explain again, if you will pay attention: Etihus pro-drops verbs. What MSA does that?
Fyi, "pro-drop" is abbreviated from "pronoun drop," so "pro-dropping verbs" isn't really the term you want. Null-verb, analogously to null-subject, is probably what you want. And sentences with null verbs has nothing at all to do with MSA. EDIT: Assuming you even actually have null-verb sentences as you claim, some examples would be good.
Sew'Kyetuh wrote: • No Passive Voice
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"Zkhli-kye" is spoken as if it were nearly one word, which describes the window's breakage as a passive sentence. But separating them without the hyphen, now you are describing the window is performing the act of breaking as an active sentence.
These are at odds with each other. It may not be morphological but it looks like you have a passive voice. That or maybe derivation of ergative verbs from (ambi)transitives, or derivation of anticausatives. But from the looks of it it's productive passive voice, if uncommon for nebulous reasons about sounding similar to active voice.

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vokzhen wrote:EDIT: Assuming you even actually have "no verbs" as you claim, pretty sure people have tried it before here and the broad consensus is that anyone who says they don't have verbs are fooling themselves.
Indeed. I tried to make my "Tibetan Dwarvish" as a "verbless" language. Really, all that meant was that typical verb morphology was shifted onto pronoun copulas, and the semantic verb was just a gerund with noun morphology. The closest language I have seen to "verbless" is Yiuel's Thenqol. Even Kelen, which is held up as the usual standard of a language with no verbs really isn't. It just has very few, which are all just variations of copulas/to-be verbs, and are described as "relationals".

However, I don't think that is what Sew'Kyetuh is claiming here. Instead, Etihus may simply have individual sentences which lack verbs.

vokzhen wrote:Null-verb, analogously to null-subject, is probably what you want.
I agree. I have yet to see an example of an Etihus sentence with a null-verb (perhaps I missed it). If there is one, I would guess that the verb can be dropped since the action/relation being discussed can be inferred from context. I think I've seen a natlang that does this, but I don't recall for sure.

The other possibility is that the claim of sentences with null-verbs is based on the lack of easily distinguishable parts of speech. Malay is an example natlang where the noun-verb-adjective distinction is not clean-cut. In this case, it's not that a sentence lacks a "verb", it's just that the sentence lack a root or word that is ONLY used as a verb.
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Vardelm wrote:
vokzhen wrote:EDIT: Assuming you even actually have "no verbs" as you claim, pretty sure people have tried it before here and the broad consensus is that anyone who says they don't have verbs are fooling themselves.
Indeed. I tried to make my "Tibetan Dwarvish" as a "verbless" language. Really, all that meant was that typical verb morphology was shifted onto pronoun copulas, and the semantic verb was just a gerund with noun morphology. The closest language I have seen to "verbless" is Yiuel's Thenqol. Even Kelen, which is held up as the usual standard of a language with no verbs really isn't. It just has very few, which are all just variations of copulas/to-be verbs, and are described as "relationals".

However, I don't think that is what Sew'Kyetuh is claiming here. Instead, Etihus may simply have individual sentences which lack verbs.
Yea, I ended up editing my edit when I realized I'd conflated two things.

The clearest example of a null-verb sentence is English. "Who did X?" "Me." Context supplies the verb so you don't have to respond "I did X" as many languages require. There's also languages that lack copulas entirely and instead just inflect the target word as a verb for predicate adjectives and nominals, 1S-PAST-cold "I was cold" 3S.DIST-IMPV-cat "That's a cat." That's not at all what's being claimed, I don't think, and instead it's like other languages that, for definitional reasons, it's claimed not to have verbs even though there's clear verb-like functions in the sentence. Similar in some ways to languages that have [m n] all over the place but are claimed to lack nasals, because they're allophones of /b d/ by the author's interpretation; possibly true, but only in abstract theoretical sense rather than something useful or recognizable by speakers.

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Teague has provided an example of one of his "verbless" sentences over on CWS, whereby you could eliminate the negative copula by shifting the negation elsewhere, and then employing a collocation of the subject and predicate. Which, of course, is simply an optional zero-copula, well attested in natlangs.

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I think strongly topic-centred languages can have many null-verb sentences. English can do this too, although often punctuated to disguise it. "That cat? Dog food!" is a null-verb way of saying "that cat was eaten by a dog" (or "that cat will be eaten by a dog" or the like, depending on context).

I'm not sure what's meant to be unusual about this language. The MSA is simple nom-acc, and it mostly reads the creator doesn't know about languages other than English. But funky punctuation and making big claims by tendentiously redefining terms don't actually equal novelty.
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Sew'Kyetuh wrote:All I do is explain how the conlang works.
Yeah, and I can sell directional ethernet cables to audiophiles for ten thousand dollars and say it all works.

Does't actually mean it works that way.

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My conlang does not vowels and consonants either. It uses holes in the silence. The speakers make different kinds of holes in the silence by wielding their speech organs in different ways. The holes are the right shape for meaning to fit into, so the shape of the holes suggests the meaning. This is unutterably different from the way English works. English uses sound, my conlang uses absences of silence. Very specific absences of silence. So whereas the English phoneme /s/ is a positive sound that the speakers adds to the silence, the corresponding hole-in-the-silence in my conlang is the subtraction of the absence of that sound. It could be best thought of as not-not-/s/. Just thinking of it as /s/ (as some very limited people have suggested I do) really misses the point, I think.

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cromulant wrote:My conlang does not vowels and consonants either. It uses holes in the silence. The speakers make different kinds of holes in the silence by wielding their speech organs in different ways. The holes are the right shape for meaning to fit into, so the shape of the holes suggests the meaning. This is unutterably different from the way English works. English uses sound, my conlang uses absences of silence. Very specific absences of silence. So whereas the English phoneme /s/ is a positive sound that the speakers adds to the silence, the corresponding hole-in-the-silence in my conlang is the subtraction of the absence of that sound. It could be best thought of as not-not-/s/. Just thinking of it as /s/ (as some very limited people have suggested I do) really misses the point, I think.
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