Help your conlang fluency (2)

[finlay]

Charrinaha? I think the name as it is looks fine, although we'd wanna pronounce it /ka/rinaha so... it's up to you...

[Vijay]

I pronounce it in my head with [t͡ʃ].

[Travis B.]

Leng lao rklan gye na rwak rklan rgyap ya ma.
[leŋ lɔ ɻəklan ɟe na ɻwak̚ ɻəklan ɻəɟap̚ ja ma]
This is my new language in addition to Carinnaha.

[Travis B.]

rKlan le glae hlyat grep ngya rklan rgyap ya.
[ɻəklan le glɛ ɬjat̚ gɻep̚ ɲa ɻəklan ɻəɟap̚ ja]
This language doesn't really look like Carinnaha.

[clawgrip]

Vadzëñ ǧudaz.
It looks different.

[syzithryx]

Nol särm Särólgob yabámgi, jíthwa rívab.

Nol - I know for sure that it is true at this time, for I have experienced it directly, that
särm - in regards to talking
Särólgob - in a manner associated with Sälkc (my language)
yabámgi - I presently (though it may change) am not adept,
jíthwa - nonetheless (lit. "not dead yet")
rívab - I try, however.

I don't know IPA symbols really but "i" is pronounced "ih" like in "sit" and "ä" is like "aw." And "c" is "sh."

[Travis B.]

Tyao ra ning skyaehrak nja rplak pkae gwot cham at ya yoh leng.
[tjɔ ɻa niŋ səcɛɻ̥ak̚ ɲdʑa ɻəplak̚ pəkɛ gwot̚ tɕʰam ʔat̚ ja joh leŋ]
You should read about International Phonetic Alphabet here.

[Imralu]

Charrinaha? I think the name as it is looks fine, although we'd wanna pronounce it /ka/rinaha so... it's up to you...

My guess would be /tʃəˈrɪnəˌhɑː/ although I'm losing my ability to say how I'd say something as a native English speaker.

[Nortaneous]

Laśnyi ovstmag ovdme agsroran sbyo mstoeak ea, alyu.
[ləɕˈɲi fɕmɒ ht̪me̯‿ɒzəˈrã zɓe̯o‿mstɛˈak e̯a, aˈʑʉ]
laśinyi oθ-stmag oθ-V-teme asV-kotōtan asV-byo mu-stōeak e-ā alyu
alphabet INAN.CONSTR-speech INAN.CONSTR-NAT.CONSTR-unit INAN.POSS-land INAN.POSS-many INAN.DEF-important INAN.P-be MODAL
The International Phonetic Alphabet is important, yes.

[Matrix]

Ajwis golzamikamwis qa na Tawamahamgolzacis.

aj

DET

-∅

-ERG

-w

-PL

-is

-C8

golzamika

sentence

-m

-ACC

-w

-PL

-is

-C8

qa

COP

-∅

-IND

-∅

-ERG

-∅

-PFV

-∅

-PRES

na

INST

Tawamahamgolz

Tavmashanese

-c

-COM

-∅

-SG

-is

-C8

[ˈaʝwis ˌʀɒʟzamiˈkamwis χa na tawamaˈçamʀɒʟzacis]
These are some sentences in Tavmashanese.

Wan kaluman qa Kanata'u'an.

wa

1

-∅

-ERG

-∅

-SG

-an

-C1

kalu

person

-m

-ACC

-∅

-SG

-an

-C1

qa

COP

-∅

-IND

-∅

-ERG

-∅

-PFV

-∅

-PRES

Kanata

Canada

-u

-SUP

-∅

-SG

-an

-C1

[ˈwan kaˈʟuman χa kanaˈtaʔuʔan]
I am a person from Canada

Tawamahanu mahamnu qa Misak Mahamuk Aqamuk.

Tawamaha

Tavmashan

-∅

-ERG

-∅

-SG

-nu

-C7

maha

land

-m

-ACC

-∅

-SG

-nu

-C7

qa

COP

-∅

-IND

-∅

-ERG

-∅

-PFV

-∅

-PRES

Mis

many

-ak

-C4

Maha

land

-mu

-ADJ

-k

-C4

Aqam

ocean

-u

-SUP

-∅

-SG

-k

-C4

[tawamaˈçanu maˈçamnu χa ˈmisak maˈçamuk aˈχamuk]
Tavmashan is an island in the Dotted Ocean.

[alynnidalar]

Ado Nawadisaol loa?
_{ocean spotted-INAN where}
Where is the Dotted Ocean?

[Arzena]

An ša šey jümel it lags-ē Agad
an ša šey jümel it lags-ē Agad
this 3sg.FEM thing sentences with language-CONS Akkad
These are some sentences in the language of Akkad

Dosti hünek yašu! Esmoš Aẖmad mor H̱üseyn tojir.
dost-i hünek y-ašu esm-oš Ahmad mor Hüseyn tojir
friend-1sg.POSS there 3sg-be... name-3sg.MASC Ahmed son-CON Hussein merchant
My friend is over there! His name is Ahmad, son of Hussein the merchant

Yavi rebi lugus-ma: Ašoriya wala lags-ē Agad u Arabiya u Türkiya u aẖür Ingiliziya anašo üšü müterjim ēš ordu ameriki
y-avi rebi lugus-ma Ašoriya wala lags-ē Agad u Arabiya u Türkiya u aẖür Ingiliziya ana-šo üšü müterjim ēš ordu ameriki
3sg-speak rebi languages.pl-EMPH: Assyrian or language-CONS Akkad and Arabic and Turkish and last English that-3sg was.3sg translator GEN army American\
He speaks four languages: Assyrian or the language of Akkad, Arabic, Turkish, and English. The last because he was a translator for the American army

From a song:

Ye Mühemmed ye Nebi! / U yadabb Allah / Šor jemi avalim!
O Muhammad O prophet / and 3sg-speak God / king all world.pl
O Mohammad, O Prophet! / Thus God speaks, / Lord of all the worlds!

[Travis B.]

Ha sru ra ryan laora rklan 'kat kha leng at?
[ha ʂu ɻa ɻjan lɔɻa ɻəklan ʔəkat̚ kʰa leŋ ʔat̚]
Is that supposed to be modern-day Akkadian?

[Matrix]

Ado Nawadisaol loa?
_{ocean spotted-INAN where}
Where is the Dotted Ocean?

Kiqok qaqo Maykluis, ajluis qalu waluan turomut fasacut.

ki

3

-qo

-LAT

-k

-C4

qa

COP

-qo

-LAT

Mayklu

Maikros

-u

-SUP

-is

-C8

aj

DET

-lu

-CAU

-is

-C8

qa

COP

-lu

-CAU

wa

1

-lu

-CAU

-an

-C1

turo

make

-m

-ADJ

-ut

-C3

fasa

cosmos

-c

-COM

-ut

-C3

[ˈkiχɒk ˈχaχɒ maɪ̯̈ˈk͡ʟ̝̊ʷis | ˈaʝʟʷis ˈχaʟu ˈwaʟʷan tuˈʀɒmut faˈsacut]
It's from Maikros, a conworld of mine.

[Imralu]

I don't know IPA symbols really but "i" is pronounced "ih" like in "sit" and "ä" is like "aw." And "c" is "sh."

I have a strong suspicion that your pronunciation of "aw" is very different from mine. Mine is a bit like this but even more extreme. For me, "aw" is pronounced exactly the same as "or". This is why learning IPA is so important if you want to talk about how something is pronounced ... or at the very least, at least say "pronounced like 'aw' in dialect X" ... because otherwise I'm assuming "särm" would rhyme with "warm".

[Travis B.]

Mang mkhyaongah "aw" glae [ɒ] thi rklan phraetya at sahma [ɑ] je [ɔː] je [oː].
[maŋ məcʰɔŋah ɔː glɛ ɒ tʰi ɻəklan pʰɻɛtja ʔat̚ sam̥a ɑ dʑe ɔː dʑe oː]
I pronounce "aw" like [ɒ] but other dialects have [ɑ], [ɔː], or [oː].

[Znex]

or [oː]

mi sajukʰai epʰai!
1SG speak-SUBST like
Like me!

[Imralu]

Mang mkhyaongah "aw" glae [ɒ] thi rklan phraetya at sahma [ɑ] je [ɔː] je [oː].
[maŋ məcʰɔŋah ɔː glɛ ɒ tʰi ɻəklan pʰɻɛtja ʔat̚ sam̥a ɑ dʑe ɔː dʑe oː]
I pronounce "aw" like [ɒ] but other dialects have [ɑ], [ɔː], or [oː].

Yeah, I have [oː] and my brother and I discovered that we pretty much don't notice if the other one pronounces it as a lengthened version of /ʊ/ ... for example, lengthening the /ʊ/ in "book" makes it sound like "balk" to us, and no one in our family noticed when we deliberately replaced it with a lengthened /ʊ/, so even though it does have a slightly different position, it seems like it might be on its way to becoming a proper long-short pair to go with all the others in AusE ... aren't there some US dialects that have it so low and fronted that it ends up somewhere around [äː] or even [aː]?

Edit: Hey Znex! Stretch out the vowel in "book" ... does it become a passable "balk" for you ... or "wookie" to "walkie" etc?

[Sglod]

Monat'ē srad nā, Kāzaron, ida. Iē kalhin ida.
/ˈmonæθe ʂːæd nɑ iˈdæ | je ˈkælχin iˈdæ/
thing-this-ERG language-ABS 1s-GEN, Kazaron, 3s.INAN-be. 3s.INAN-ERG food-pig-ABS 3s.INAN-be.
This is my language, Kazaron. It is bad.

[Znex]

Mang mkhyaongah "aw" glae [ɒ] thi rklan phraetya at sahma [ɑ] je [ɔː] je [oː].
[maŋ məcʰɔŋah ɔː glɛ ɒ tʰi ɻəklan pʰɻɛtja ʔat̚ sam̥a ɑ dʑe ɔː dʑe oː]
I pronounce "aw" like [ɒ] but other dialects have [ɑ], [ɔː], or [oː].

Yeah, I have [oː] and my brother and I discovered that we pretty much don't notice if the other one pronounces it as a lengthened version of /ʊ/ ... for example, lengthening the /ʊ/ in "book" makes it sound like "balk" to us, and no one in our family noticed when we deliberately replaced it with a lengthened /ʊ/, so even though it does have a slightly different position, it seems like it might be on its way to becoming a proper long-short pair to go with all the others in AusE ... aren't there some US dialects that have it so low and fronted that it ends up somewhere around [äː] or even [aː]?

Edit: Hey Znex! Stretch out the vowel in "book" ... does it become a passable "balk" for you ... or "wookie" to "walkie" etc?

Yeah, stretched "book" is only just different from "balk". "Wookiee"'s different, but I tend to normally pronounce it ['wʊu̯ki] anyway. (I have a high back diphthong from l-vocalisation that every now and then I seem to use to approximate the American vowel /u/.)

[syzithryx]

Vodozaot Unsalar-uskoc djithi, hathat.

(evidential assumed Nol like in previous sentence - carries across sentences until changed.)
vod-oz-aot - hot-direction-region
unsalar-usk-oc - USA-country-in
dj-ith-i - began-living-I
h-ath-at - continue-living-also.

I was born in the South of the USA, and still live there. Thus, I pronounce "aw" the way you would expect a Southerner - particularly an Alabaman - to pronounce it, though I do not have much of an accent. I think that "ɒ" is the exact sound, given this IPA chart with audio on Wikipedia I'm looking at.

H is - I think - the "voiceless labiodental fricative", but I'm not sure. I just think of it is a cross between H and F in English. It almost sounds like an R sometimes. C is all over the map, depending on dialect, but usually it's either a "voiced palato-alveolar sibilant" ʃ or "voiceless palatal fricative" ç. I is like in "sit" which I hope doesn't have dialectal differences. :3

[Arzena]

Ha sru ra ryan laora rklan 'kat kha leng at?
[ha ʂu ɻa ɻjan lɔɻa ɻəklan ʔəkat̚ kʰa leŋ ʔat̚]
Is that supposed to be modern-day Akkadian?

Eywa! Ša lags ēš injeb ašoriy mütasar it arabiya u türkiya u farsiya u kürdiya
yes | she language GEN descent Assyrian influenced with Arabic and Turkish and Persian and Kurdish
Yep! It's a Akkadian descendent influenced by Arabic, Turkish, Persian, and Kurdish.

Ša lo mükammela, an ša müsavade evelot bes
she NEG complete-FEM | this she draft first only
It's not complete; this is only a first draft

[Znex]

Vodozaot Unsalar-uskoc djithi, hathat.
I was born in the South of the USA, and still live there. Thus, I pronounce "aw" the way you would expect a Southerner - particularly an Alabaman - to pronounce it, though I do not have much of an accent. I think that "ɒ" is the exact sound, given this IPA chart with audio on Wikipedia I'm looking at.

Tsʰanu nisu hasan hau Amelikʰalus eln, inklis Amelikʰakil tusis ai wen kʰaumeitailutʃe.
A lot of people here aren't American though, or know Southern American English apart from the stereotypes.

H is - I think - the "voiceless labiodental fricative", but I'm not sure. I just think of it is a cross between H and F in English. It almost sounds like an R sometimes.

Sounds almost like a form of a typically Swedish consonant. Alternatively if it's more R-like, you might be thinking of something like this.

I is like in "sit" which I hope doesn't have dialectal differences. :3

You'd be surprised! New Zealand English tends to centralise /ɪ/, as does South African English, so it sounds more like "uh". This is part of why using IPA on a board like this is all the more important, just so anyone can get what you mean.

(If you want, you can check out a broad sound comparison across the main English dialects here.)

[Travis B.]

Ha sru ra ryan laora rklan 'kat kha leng at?
[ha ʂu ɻa ɻjan lɔɻa ɻəklan ʔəkat̚ kʰa leŋ ʔat̚]
Is that supposed to be modern-day Akkadian?

Eywa! Ša lags ēš injeb ašoriy mütasar it arabiya u türkiya u farsiya u kürdiya
yes | she language GEN descent Assyrian influenced with Arabic and Turkish and Persian and Kurdish
Yep! It's a Akkadian descendent influenced by Arabic, Turkish, Persian, and Kurdish.

Ša lo mükammela, an ša müsavade evelot bes
she NEG complete-FEM | this she draft first only
It's not complete; this is only a first draft

Ha yuh pa rklan aram ya lkhyun glya yuh?
[ha juh pa ɻəklan ʔaɻam ja ləcʰun glja juh]
Is it also influenced by Aramaic?

[jal]

Ye, di IPA mata mata, yu les lehn im ya an mek yus im ya. Yu swel les lehn fi mek yus ray glos rul. Yu luk dis ples fi luk ditel.
Yes, the IPA is very important, you must learn it and use it. You also should learn and use proper glossing rules. See here for details.


JAL