Romanization challenge thread
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Re: Romanization challenge thread
Pinyin:
[p b t̪ t d ts dz tʂ dʐ tɕ dʑ k g] <p b th t d c z ch zh q j k g>
[f s ʂ ɕ] <f s sh x>
[m n ɲ ŋ] <m n/-nn ny ng>
[w l ɾ ʑ e̯] <w l r xx y>
[a ɒ e ə o i u] <a o ei e ou i u>
[a ã] <a an>
[ā à ǎ] <a ah av>
[ˈfə̌u̯ ɕu:nˈdʑām ʑəˈtɕǎk kɬāe̯, ˈʂě ˈmã̄ʂ e̯ɒˌpstɬə̀:ʂk. fstsendəˈe̯ɒ̄ ki:u̯ ˈĩ̄ʑdun t̪ũɕ ɲɒˈīʑ səˈʑàfk f ˈɲã̄]
Fewv xuunjam xxeqavk klay, sheiv mansh iopsleehshk. Fsceinndeyo kiiw inxxdunn thunx nyoixx sexxahfk f nyan.
Rawang:
[p b t̪ t d ts dz tʂ dʐ tɕ dʑ k g] <p b th t d ts ds ch zh c j k g>
[f s ʂ ɕ] <f s sh x>
[m n ɲ ŋ] <m n ny ng>
[w l ɾ ʑ e̯] <w l r z y>
[a ɒ e ə o i u] <a v e ø o i u>
[a ã] <a anh>
[ā à ǎ] <ā à ǎ>
Fø̌w xu:njām zøcǎk klāy, shě mānhsh yvpslø̀:shk. Fstsendøyv̄ ki:w īnhzdun thunhx nyvīz søzàfk f nyānh.
Americanist:
[p b t̪ t d ts dz tʂ dʐ tɕ dʑ k g] <p b ṯ t d c ʒ c̣ ʒ̣ č ǯ k g>
[f s ʂ ɕ] <f s ṣ š>
[m n ɲ ŋ] <m n ñ ŋ>
[w l ɾ ʑ e̯] <w l r ž y>
[a ɒ e ə o i u] <a ω e ə o i u> + <·>
[a ã] <a ą>
[ā à ǎ] <ā à ǎ>
Fəu šu·nǯām žəčǎk klāy, ṣě mą̄ṣ yωpslə̀·ṣk. Fscendəyω̄ ki·w įždun ṯųš ñωīž səžàfk f ñą̄.
Americanist phonemic:
/p b t k/ <p b t k>
/f θ ð s ʂ ɕ ʁ/ <f θ ð s ṣ š γ>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ñ ŋ>
/l ʎ j/ <l l̃ y>
/a e o i u/ <a e o i u>
/ə/ <ə>
/ðə=foʁu seʁuŋʁɕamə ðə=ʎatɕak klaj, ðə=ʂe ma:ŋʂa=eʁpsloʁaʂkə. θstseʁnloyakə kə=γa=yu iimətunə θunɕ=ɲaʁii sʁʎa:θak θə ɲan./
Ðə foγu seγuŋγšamə ðə l̃ačak klay, ðə ṣe ma·ŋṣa eγpsloγaṣkə. Θsceγnloyakə kəγayu iimətunə θunš ñaγi· sγl̃a·θak θə ñan.
Hanheliubl: (with retention of some more historical schwas and <r> written in hiatus)
/p b t k/ <p b t k>
/f θ ð s ʂ ɕ ʁ/ <f th z c ṣ s r>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ñ g>
/l ʎ j/ <l ẓ y>
/a e o i u/ <a e o i u> + <ạ ẹ>
/ə/ <ɯ>
Zɯ fẹru syạrwẹgɯrcamɯ zụ ẓatsak klay, zụ ṣe ma:gɯṣa yạpɯclẹaṣkɯ. Thɯcɯtcergloyạ ki:w i:mɯtunɯ thuns ñạri: sarẓathak thɯ ñan.
[p b t̪ t d ts dz tʂ dʐ tɕ dʑ k g] <p b th t d c z ch zh q j k g>
[f s ʂ ɕ] <f s sh x>
[m n ɲ ŋ] <m n/-nn ny ng>
[w l ɾ ʑ e̯] <w l r xx y>
[a ɒ e ə o i u] <a o ei e ou i u>
[a ã] <a an>
[ā à ǎ] <a ah av>
[ˈfə̌u̯ ɕu:nˈdʑām ʑəˈtɕǎk kɬāe̯, ˈʂě ˈmã̄ʂ e̯ɒˌpstɬə̀:ʂk. fstsendəˈe̯ɒ̄ ki:u̯ ˈĩ̄ʑdun t̪ũɕ ɲɒˈīʑ səˈʑàfk f ˈɲã̄]
Fewv xuunjam xxeqavk klay, sheiv mansh iopsleehshk. Fsceinndeyo kiiw inxxdunn thunx nyoixx sexxahfk f nyan.
Rawang:
[p b t̪ t d ts dz tʂ dʐ tɕ dʑ k g] <p b th t d ts ds ch zh c j k g>
[f s ʂ ɕ] <f s sh x>
[m n ɲ ŋ] <m n ny ng>
[w l ɾ ʑ e̯] <w l r z y>
[a ɒ e ə o i u] <a v e ø o i u>
[a ã] <a anh>
[ā à ǎ] <ā à ǎ>
Fø̌w xu:njām zøcǎk klāy, shě mānhsh yvpslø̀:shk. Fstsendøyv̄ ki:w īnhzdun thunhx nyvīz søzàfk f nyānh.
Americanist:
[p b t̪ t d ts dz tʂ dʐ tɕ dʑ k g] <p b ṯ t d c ʒ c̣ ʒ̣ č ǯ k g>
[f s ʂ ɕ] <f s ṣ š>
[m n ɲ ŋ] <m n ñ ŋ>
[w l ɾ ʑ e̯] <w l r ž y>
[a ɒ e ə o i u] <a ω e ə o i u> + <·>
[a ã] <a ą>
[ā à ǎ] <ā à ǎ>
Fəu šu·nǯām žəčǎk klāy, ṣě mą̄ṣ yωpslə̀·ṣk. Fscendəyω̄ ki·w įždun ṯųš ñωīž səžàfk f ñą̄.
Americanist phonemic:
/p b t k/ <p b t k>
/f θ ð s ʂ ɕ ʁ/ <f θ ð s ṣ š γ>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ñ ŋ>
/l ʎ j/ <l l̃ y>
/a e o i u/ <a e o i u>
/ə/ <ə>
/ðə=foʁu seʁuŋʁɕamə ðə=ʎatɕak klaj, ðə=ʂe ma:ŋʂa=eʁpsloʁaʂkə. θstseʁnloyakə kə=γa=yu iimətunə θunɕ=ɲaʁii sʁʎa:θak θə ɲan./
Ðə foγu seγuŋγšamə ðə l̃ačak klay, ðə ṣe ma·ŋṣa eγpsloγaṣkə. Θsceγnloyakə kəγayu iimətunə θunš ñaγi· sγl̃a·θak θə ñan.
Hanheliubl: (with retention of some more historical schwas and <r> written in hiatus)
/p b t k/ <p b t k>
/f θ ð s ʂ ɕ ʁ/ <f th z c ṣ s r>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ñ g>
/l ʎ j/ <l ẓ y>
/a e o i u/ <a e o i u> + <ạ ẹ>
/ə/ <ɯ>
Zɯ fẹru syạrwẹgɯrcamɯ zụ ẓatsak klay, zụ ṣe ma:gɯṣa yạpɯclẹaṣkɯ. Thɯcɯtcergloyạ ki:w i:mɯtunɯ thuns ñạri: sarẓathak thɯ ñan.
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Re: Romanization challenge thread
/p b t k/ <p b t k>
/f θ ð s ʂ ɕ ʁ/ <f th d s sh j w>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ny g>
/l ʎ j/ <l ly y>
/a e o i u/ <a e o i u>
+ length <aa>
/ə/ <->
/ðə=foʁu seʁuŋʁɕamə ðə=ʎatɕak klaj, ðə=ʂe ma:ŋʂa=eʁpsloʁaʂkə. θstseʁnlojakə kə=ga=ju iimətunə θunɕ=ɲaʁii sʁʎa:θak θə ɲan./
Dfowu sewugwjam dlyatjak klay, dshe maagshaewpslowashk. Thstsewnloyak kgayu iimtun thunjnyawii swlyaathak th nyan
or:
[p b t̪ t d ts dz tʂ dʐ tɕ dʑ k g] <p b ṭ t d c ʒ č̣ ǯ̣ č ǯ k g>
[f s ʂ ɕ] <f s ṣ̌ š>
[m n ɲ ŋ] <m n ň ŋ>
[w l ɾ ʑ e̯] <w l r ž j>
[a ɒ e ə o i u] <a ɔ e ə o i u>
[a ã] <a a̱>
[ā à ǎ] <ā à ǎ>
[ˈfə̌u̯ ɕu:nˈdʑām ʑəˈtɕǎk kɬāe̯, ˈʂě ˈmã̄ʂ e̯ɒˌpstɬə̀:ʂk. fstsendəˈe̯ɒ̄ ki:u̯ ˈĩ̄ʑdun t̪ũɕ ɲɒˈīʑ səˈʑàfk f ˈɲã̄]
Fə̌u šúnǯām žəčǎk klāj, ṣ̌ě mā̲ṣ̌ jɔpstlə́̀ṣ̌k. Fscendəjɔ̄ kíu ī̱ždun ṭu̱š ňɔīž səžàfk f ňā̱.
/f θ ð s ʂ ɕ ʁ/ <f th d s sh j w>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ny g>
/l ʎ j/ <l ly y>
/a e o i u/ <a e o i u>
+ length <aa>
/ə/ <->
/ðə=foʁu seʁuŋʁɕamə ðə=ʎatɕak klaj, ðə=ʂe ma:ŋʂa=eʁpsloʁaʂkə. θstseʁnlojakə kə=ga=ju iimətunə θunɕ=ɲaʁii sʁʎa:θak θə ɲan./
Dfowu sewugwjam dlyatjak klay, dshe maagshaewpslowashk. Thstsewnloyak kgayu iimtun thunjnyawii swlyaathak th nyan
or:
[p b t̪ t d ts dz tʂ dʐ tɕ dʑ k g] <p b ṭ t d c ʒ č̣ ǯ̣ č ǯ k g>
[f s ʂ ɕ] <f s ṣ̌ š>
[m n ɲ ŋ] <m n ň ŋ>
[w l ɾ ʑ e̯] <w l r ž j>
[a ɒ e ə o i u] <a ɔ e ə o i u>
[a ã] <a a̱>
[ā à ǎ] <ā à ǎ>
[ˈfə̌u̯ ɕu:nˈdʑām ʑəˈtɕǎk kɬāe̯, ˈʂě ˈmã̄ʂ e̯ɒˌpstɬə̀:ʂk. fstsendəˈe̯ɒ̄ ki:u̯ ˈĩ̄ʑdun t̪ũɕ ɲɒˈīʑ səˈʑàfk f ˈɲã̄]
Fə̌u šúnǯām žəčǎk klāj, ṣ̌ě mā̲ṣ̌ jɔpstlə́̀ṣ̌k. Fscendəjɔ̄ kíu ī̱ždun ṭu̱š ňɔīž səžàfk f ňā̱.
Re: Romanization challenge thread
/m n~ŋ ɲ/ <m n ñ>
/t tʃ k~kʷ ʔ/ <t ch c~qu~cu '>
/s~ʃ ç~h~hʷ/ <s j~ju>
/ɾ̠ j w/ <d y w>
±gemination <CC>
/i iː e eː a aː o oː u uː ɨ ɨː ə əː/ <i ii e ee a aa o oo u uu ä ää ö öö>
[tʃonɨŋçe na jawə hʷɨnməkə ɾ̠ekʷanakoːmohe matoɾ̠ɨ eɾ̠ə meneatəɾ̠ɨ ʃekasakə ekanmase wa jawə kaɾ̠anawaɾ̠unɲano hʷatawə nataməa jawə aʔnːa əʔtːə tɨwɨ jawə jə məɾ̠ə tʃɨtaɾ̠ɨ jawə onehaɾ̠ɨ tʃəhəkə wejnɲo akojtʃaɾ̠ɨ honaː tɨɾ̠ɨːene jawə ɲəɾ̠ə intʃomo ɾ̠enːa jawasehə umɨ weɾ̠aki nahəntəɾ̠ɨ hʷata ɾ̠ewə jaɾ̠anawi hʷaɲuɾ̠u wanaːɾ̠i kahunɲa oɾ̠oʔʃa]
Chonänje na yawö juänmöcö decuanakoomoje matodä edö meneatödä secasacö ecanmase wa yawö cadanawadunñano juatawö natamöa yawö a'nna ö'ttö täwä yawö yö mödö chitsadi yawö onejadä chöjöcö weynño acoychadä...
/t tʃ k~kʷ ʔ/ <t ch c~qu~cu '>
/s~ʃ ç~h~hʷ/ <s j~ju>
/ɾ̠ j w/ <d y w>
±gemination <CC>
/i iː e eː a aː o oː u uː ɨ ɨː ə əː/ <i ii e ee a aa o oo u uu ä ää ö öö>
[tʃonɨŋçe na jawə hʷɨnməkə ɾ̠ekʷanakoːmohe matoɾ̠ɨ eɾ̠ə meneatəɾ̠ɨ ʃekasakə ekanmase wa jawə kaɾ̠anawaɾ̠unɲano hʷatawə nataməa jawə aʔnːa əʔtːə tɨwɨ jawə jə məɾ̠ə tʃɨtaɾ̠ɨ jawə onehaɾ̠ɨ tʃəhəkə wejnɲo akojtʃaɾ̠ɨ honaː tɨɾ̠ɨːene jawə ɲəɾ̠ə intʃomo ɾ̠enːa jawasehə umɨ weɾ̠aki nahəntəɾ̠ɨ hʷata ɾ̠ewə jaɾ̠anawi hʷaɲuɾ̠u wanaːɾ̠i kahunɲa oɾ̠oʔʃa]
Chonänje na yawö juänmöcö decuanakoomoje matodä edö meneatödä secasacö ecanmase wa yawö cadanawadunñano juatawö natamöa yawö a'nna ö'ttö täwä yawö yö mödö chitsadi yawö onejadä chöjöcö weynño acoychadä...
Re: Romanization challenge thread
<m n ň>
<t ť k ʔ>
<s h>
<r j v>
±gemination <CC>
<i ii e ee a aa o oo u uu ɨ ɨɨ ɇ ɇɇ>
Ťonɨnhe na javɇ hɨnmɇkɇ rekanakoomohe matorɨ erɇ meneatɇrɨ sekasakɇ ekanmase va javɇ karanavarunňano hatavɇ natamɇa javɇ aʔnna ɇʔttɇ tɨvɨ javɇ jɇ mɇrɇ ťɨtarɨ javɇ oneharɨ ťɇhɇkɇ veinňo akoiťarɨ honaa tɨrɨɨene javɇ ňɇrɇ inťomo renna javasehɇ umɨ veraki nahɇntɇrɨ hata revɇ jaranavi haňuru vanaari kahunňa oroʔsa
agefaqeg-style:
<m n ň>
<t ť k ḥ>
<s h>
<r j v>
±gemination <CC>
<i ii e ee a aa o oo u uu ɨ ɨɨ ê êê>
ťonɨnhe na rawê hɨnmêkê ŕekanakoomohe matoŕɨ eŕê meneatêŕɨ sekasakê ekanmase wa rawê kaŕanawaŕunňano hatawê natamêa rawê aḥnna êḥttê tɨwɨ rawê rê mêŕê ťɨtaŕɨ rawê onehaŕɨ ťêhêkê weinňo akoiťaŕɨ honaa tɨŕɨɨene rawê ňêŕê inťomo ŕenna rawasehê umɨ weŕaki nahêntêŕɨ hata ŕewê raŕanawi haňuŕu wanaaŕi kahunňa oŕoḥsa...
<t ť k ʔ>
<s h>
<r j v>
±gemination <CC>
<i ii e ee a aa o oo u uu ɨ ɨɨ ɇ ɇɇ>
Ťonɨnhe na javɇ hɨnmɇkɇ rekanakoomohe matorɨ erɇ meneatɇrɨ sekasakɇ ekanmase va javɇ karanavarunňano hatavɇ natamɇa javɇ aʔnna ɇʔttɇ tɨvɨ javɇ jɇ mɇrɇ ťɨtarɨ javɇ oneharɨ ťɇhɇkɇ veinňo akoiťarɨ honaa tɨrɨɨene javɇ ňɇrɇ inťomo renna javasehɇ umɨ veraki nahɇntɇrɨ hata revɇ jaranavi haňuru vanaari kahunňa oroʔsa
agefaqeg-style:
<m n ň>
<t ť k ḥ>
<s h>
<r j v>
±gemination <CC>
<i ii e ee a aa o oo u uu ɨ ɨɨ ê êê>
ťonɨnhe na rawê hɨnmêkê ŕekanakoomohe matoŕɨ eŕê meneatêŕɨ sekasakê ekanmase wa rawê kaŕanawaŕunňano hatawê natamêa rawê aḥnna êḥttê tɨwɨ rawê rê mêŕê ťɨtaŕɨ rawê onehaŕɨ ťêhêkê weinňo akoiťaŕɨ honaa tɨŕɨɨene rawê ňêŕê inťomo ŕenna rawasehê umɨ weŕaki nahêntêŕɨ hata ŕewê raŕanawi haňuŕu wanaaŕi kahunňa oŕoḥsa...
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Re: Romanization challenge thread
A helllang I am working on. I have most of the orthography figured out, but I need a good way to write tone.
/p t k pʰ tʰ kʰ/
/l m n r j w/
/s sʰ h [ç]/
+length, including initially
/a e i ɔ u ɛ œ y/
/˨ ˦ ˩˧ ˨˦ ˥˧/ (i.e. 2 4 13 24 53 or thereabouts)
Syllable structure is maximally CRVCs at least, but hasn't been very clearly defined yet.
I knowNort some people like tone letters, and this is actually potentially feasible—while as yet each word has tone, the only apparent contrastive tone has been on the inflections of the article (and possibly on adjectives), where the only final that shows up is /n/. So it'd be possible to have tone letters and just not mark tone the rest of the time.
/ɛ œ y/ are umlaut of /a ɔ u/. /sʰ/ has converged to /s/ word-finally.
Here is a sample:
/tœ˨ pɔle˦markʰs tœ˨ pi˦ tɔ˩˧ Pjukrɔ˥˧ts ɔ˥˧rkʰɔn tɔ˩˧ Pʰilɔ˥˧mels Pʰi˩˧lɔn, tɔ˩˧ Kɛpʰisʰɔ˥˧sɔrs Sɔnjy˨˦s Tʰanɔ˥˧sɔrs Hi˥˧p:ɔn na˥˧rɛpsan t:ʰɔ˥˧ pœwe˨˦sʰantʰ ta˨n pɔ˥˧sœs tɔ˩˧n sa˥˧nejɔn tɔ˩˧n Nikre˥˧t ka˦t tɔ˦ s:ʰɛ˨˦pʰim tɔ˩˧ sa˨˦m./
/p t k pʰ tʰ kʰ/
/l m n r j w/
/s sʰ h [ç]/
+length, including initially
/a e i ɔ u ɛ œ y/
/˨ ˦ ˩˧ ˨˦ ˥˧/ (i.e. 2 4 13 24 53 or thereabouts)
Syllable structure is maximally CRVCs at least, but hasn't been very clearly defined yet.
I know
/ɛ œ y/ are umlaut of /a ɔ u/. /sʰ/ has converged to /s/ word-finally.
Here is a sample:
/tœ˨ pɔle˦markʰs tœ˨ pi˦ tɔ˩˧ Pjukrɔ˥˧ts ɔ˥˧rkʰɔn tɔ˩˧ Pʰilɔ˥˧mels Pʰi˩˧lɔn, tɔ˩˧ Kɛpʰisʰɔ˥˧sɔrs Sɔnjy˨˦s Tʰanɔ˥˧sɔrs Hi˥˧p:ɔn na˥˧rɛpsan t:ʰɔ˥˧ pœwe˨˦sʰantʰ ta˨n pɔ˥˧sœs tɔ˩˧n sa˥˧nejɔn tɔ˩˧n Nikre˥˧t ka˦t tɔ˦ s:ʰɛ˨˦pʰim tɔ˩˧ sa˨˦m./
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Re: Romanization challenge thread
What's that?ObsequiousNewt wrote:helllang
/p t k pʰ tʰ kʰ/ b d g p t k
/l m n r j w/ l m n r j w
/s sʰ h [ç]/ z s h hj, although final merged [s] is written s (also, what's the conditioning environment for [ç]?)
length = doubling
/a e i ɔ u ɛ œ y/ a e i o u ä ö ü
/˨ ˦ ˩˧ ˨˦ ˥˧/ (i.e. 2 4 13 24 53 or thereabouts) f v c x q syllable-finally (or some set of four of those with no letter representing the default or least marked tone)
/tœ˨ pɔle˦markʰs tœ˨ pi˦ tɔ˩˧ Pjukrɔ˥˧ts ɔ˥˧rkʰɔn tɔ˩˧ Pʰilɔ˥˧mels Pʰi˩˧lɔn, tɔ˩˧ Kɛpʰisʰɔ˥˧sɔrs Sɔnjy˨˦s Tʰanɔ˥˧sɔrs Hi˥˧p:ɔn na˥˧rɛpsan t:ʰɔ˥˧ pœwe˨˦sʰantʰ ta˨n pɔ˥˧sœs tɔ˩˧n sa˥˧nejɔn tɔ˩˧n Nikre˥˧t ka˦t tɔ˦ s:ʰɛ˨˦pʰim tɔ˩˧ sa˨˦m./
Döf bolevmarks döf biv doc Bjugrodsq orqkon doc Piloqmels Piclon, doc Gäpisoqzors Zonjüsx Tanoqzors Hiqbbon naqräbzan ttoq böwexsant danv boqzös donc saqnejon donc Nigredq gadv dov ssäxpim doc samx.
(This has tone marked in more places than you said it really needed, but I wasn't entirely sure which words were articles.)
[ʈʂʰɤŋtɕjɑŋ], or whatever you can comfortably pronounce that's close to that
Formerly known as Primordial Soup
Supporter of use of [ȶ ȡ ȵ ȴ] in transcription
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a 青.
Formerly known as Primordial Soup
Supporter of use of [ȶ ȡ ȵ ȴ] in transcription
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a 青.
Re: Romanization challenge thread
/p t k pʰ tʰ kʰ/ <p t k px tx kx>
/l m n r j w/ <l m n r y w>
/s sʰ h [ç]/ <j~s s h>
+length, including initially <CC>
/a e i ɔ u ɛ œ y/ <a e i o u a̤ o̤ ṳ>
/˨ ˦ ˩˧ ˨˦ ˥˧/ <a á aá áá áa> only in articles
/tœ˨ pɔle˦markʰs tœ˨ pi˦ tɔ˩˧ Pjukrɔ˥˧ts ɔ˥˧rkʰɔn tɔ˩˧ Pʰilɔ˥˧mels Pʰi˩˧lɔn, tɔ˩˧ Kɛpʰisʰɔ˥˧sɔrs Sɔnjy˨˦s Tʰanɔ˥˧sɔrs Hi˥˧p:ɔn na˥˧rɛpsan t:ʰɔ˥˧ pœwe˨˦sʰantʰ ta˨n pɔ˥˧sœs tɔ˩˧n sa˥˧nejɔn tɔ˩˧n Nikre˥˧t ka˦t tɔ˦ s:ʰɛ˨˦pʰim tɔ˩˧ sa˨˦m./
To̤ polemarks to̤ pí toó Pyukrots orkxon toó Philomels Philon, toó Ka̤phisojors Jonyṳs Thanojors Hippon nara̤pjan tthóo po̤wesant tan pojo̤s toón janeyon toón Nikret kat tó ssa̤phim toó sam.
/l m n r j w/ <l m n r y w>
/s sʰ h [ç]/ <j~s s h>
+length, including initially <CC>
/a e i ɔ u ɛ œ y/ <a e i o u a̤ o̤ ṳ>
/˨ ˦ ˩˧ ˨˦ ˥˧/ <a á aá áá áa> only in articles
/tœ˨ pɔle˦markʰs tœ˨ pi˦ tɔ˩˧ Pjukrɔ˥˧ts ɔ˥˧rkʰɔn tɔ˩˧ Pʰilɔ˥˧mels Pʰi˩˧lɔn, tɔ˩˧ Kɛpʰisʰɔ˥˧sɔrs Sɔnjy˨˦s Tʰanɔ˥˧sɔrs Hi˥˧p:ɔn na˥˧rɛpsan t:ʰɔ˥˧ pœwe˨˦sʰantʰ ta˨n pɔ˥˧sœs tɔ˩˧n sa˥˧nejɔn tɔ˩˧n Nikre˥˧t ka˦t tɔ˦ s:ʰɛ˨˦pʰim tɔ˩˧ sa˨˦m./
To̤ polemarks to̤ pí toó Pyukrots orkxon toó Philomels Philon, toó Ka̤phisojors Jonyṳs Thanojors Hippon nara̤pjan tthóo po̤wesant tan pojo̤s toón janeyon toón Nikret kat tó ssa̤phim toó sam.
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Re: Romanization challenge thread
Helllang = Greek-derived language. This one is from the Boeotian dialect.
[ç] is /hj/, sorry. I'm not sure if it'll be a separate phoneme yet honestly but I'll just write it as ψη or something if it is. The article is ta/to/tœ/tɛ.
I was going to post my romanization but I got tired and went to sleep, so here it is:
/p t k pʰ tʰ kʰ/ <π τ κ φ θ ψ> (the epichoric alphabet has ψ instead of χ)
/l m n r j w/ <λ μ ν ρ ι ϝ>
/s sʰ h [ç]/ <σ ση η ηι>
+length, including initially: gemination, except aspirates have <πφ τθ κψ>
/a e i ɔ u ɛ œ y/ <α ε ι ο υ αε οε υε>
/˨ ˦ ˩˧ ˨˦ ˥˧/ (i.e. 2 4 13 24 53 or thereabouts) <?>
/ks/ is <χ>. /ps/ is <φσ>.
Τοε πολεμαρχ τοε πι το πιυκροτς ορψον το Φιλομελς Φιλον, το Καεφισηοσορς Σονιυες Θανοσορς Ηιππον ναραεφσαν τθο ποεϝεσηανθ ταν ποσοες τον σανειον τον Νικρετ κατ το σσηαεφιμ το σαμ.
[ç] is /hj/, sorry. I'm not sure if it'll be a separate phoneme yet honestly but I'll just write it as ψη or something if it is. The article is ta/to/tœ/tɛ.
I was going to post my romanization but I got tired and went to sleep, so here it is:
/p t k pʰ tʰ kʰ/ <π τ κ φ θ ψ> (the epichoric alphabet has ψ instead of χ)
/l m n r j w/ <λ μ ν ρ ι ϝ>
/s sʰ h [ç]/ <σ ση η ηι>
+length, including initially: gemination, except aspirates have <πφ τθ κψ>
/a e i ɔ u ɛ œ y/ <α ε ι ο υ αε οε υε>
/˨ ˦ ˩˧ ˨˦ ˥˧/ (i.e. 2 4 13 24 53 or thereabouts) <?>
/ks/ is <χ>. /ps/ is <φσ>.
Τοε πολεμαρχ τοε πι το πιυκροτς ορψον το Φιλομελς Φιλον, το Καεφισηοσορς Σονιυες Θανοσορς Ηιππον ναραεφσαν τθο ποεϝεσηανθ ταν ποσοες τον σανειον τον Νικρετ κατ το σσηαεφιμ το σαμ.
퇎
Ο ορανς τα ανα̨ριθομον ϝερρον εͱεν ανθροποτροφον.
Το̨ ανθροπς αυ̨τ εκψον επ αθο̨ οραναμο̨ϝον.
Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν.
Ο ορανς τα ανα̨ριθομον ϝερρον εͱεν ανθροποτροφον.
Το̨ ανθροπς αυ̨τ εκψον επ αθο̨ οραναμο̨ϝον.
Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν. Θαιν.
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Re: Romanization challenge thread
/p t k pʰ tʰ kʰ/ <π τ κ φ θ χ>
/l m n r j w/ <λ μ ν ρ ι ου>
/s sʰ h [ç]/ <ς σ̔ ̔>
/a e i ɔ u ɛ œ y/ <α ε ι ο ου η οι υ>
/˨ ˦ ˩˧ ˨˦ ˥˧/ (i.e. 2 4 13 24 53 or thereabouts)
Here is a sample:
/tœ˨ pɔle˦markʰs tœ˨ pi˦ tɔ˩˧ Pjukrɔ˥˧ts ɔ˥˧rkʰɔn tɔ˩˧ Pʰilɔ˥˧mels Pʰi˩˧lɔn, tɔ˩˧ Kɛpʰisʰɔ˥˧sɔrs Sɔnjy˨˦s Tʰanɔ˥˧sɔrs/
Τοι πολέμαρξ τοι πί το̃ Πιουκρὸτς ὸρχον το̃ Φιλὸμελς Φι̃λον, το̃ Κηφισ̔ὸσορς Σονιῠς Θανὸσορς
/l m n r j w/ <λ μ ν ρ ι ου>
/s sʰ h [ç]/ <ς σ̔ ̔>
/a e i ɔ u ɛ œ y/ <α ε ι ο ου η οι υ>
/˨ ˦ ˩˧ ˨˦ ˥˧/ (i.e. 2 4 13 24 53 or thereabouts)
Here is a sample:
/tœ˨ pɔle˦markʰs tœ˨ pi˦ tɔ˩˧ Pjukrɔ˥˧ts ɔ˥˧rkʰɔn tɔ˩˧ Pʰilɔ˥˧mels Pʰi˩˧lɔn, tɔ˩˧ Kɛpʰisʰɔ˥˧sɔrs Sɔnjy˨˦s Tʰanɔ˥˧sɔrs/
Τοι πολέμαρξ τοι πί το̃ Πιουκρὸτς ὸρχον το̃ Φιλὸμελς Φι̃λον, το̃ Κηφισ̔ὸσορς Σονιῠς Θανὸσορς
Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.
Re: Romanization challenge thread
Mountain Arapesh /bukijɨp/
/p pʷ b bʷ t d ʨ ʥ k kʷ ɡ ɡʷ/
/m n ȵ/
/s h hʷ/
/w l j/
/i ɨ u e ə o æ ɑ/
/oli jek ɑninɨ ibɑrɑ jek jəne wɑri || jek opɑhʷ ȵihihit͡ɕihʷ || jɑkli | wotɑk ibo kipɑinɑli || ibo kipɑinɑli, idɑlob elɑb || omom hɑkumonɨ wɑbok | oli jek ikumonɨ wɑbok ɑnɑnɨ eȵudɑk ȵunɨtɑkɨmoɡɨk || wo hɨnɑli wis e | hɑkumenɑli wɑbok oli jɑkli ikumonɨ wɑbok | ɑ dɑkio muneɡɑbemo || əli et͡ɕet͡ɕ t͡ɕeoki suluh || əneȵ ȵenɑki | əneȵ ȵenɑk | əneȵ ȵenɑki | jəɡɑluk ənen | əneȵ ȵenɑki | jəɡɑlɨk əneȵ || jɑkli t͡ɕɨtɨk t͡ɕookʷiȵi joopʷiȵi | bɑwepiȵ| umu ɑ ɡɨkɨs || keiwɑkiȵ sɨluhʷ || əli ɡɨkɨsɨk || kobʷi wɑtɑ mulpɑk | kobʷi wɑtɑ muhlitɑk | ɑɑ ȵunɨbɨ ȵukɨsɨk/
/p pʷ b bʷ t d ʨ ʥ k kʷ ɡ ɡʷ/
/m n ȵ/
/s h hʷ/
/w l j/
/i ɨ u e ə o æ ɑ/
/oli jek ɑninɨ ibɑrɑ jek jəne wɑri || jek opɑhʷ ȵihihit͡ɕihʷ || jɑkli | wotɑk ibo kipɑinɑli || ibo kipɑinɑli, idɑlob elɑb || omom hɑkumonɨ wɑbok | oli jek ikumonɨ wɑbok ɑnɑnɨ eȵudɑk ȵunɨtɑkɨmoɡɨk || wo hɨnɑli wis e | hɑkumenɑli wɑbok oli jɑkli ikumonɨ wɑbok | ɑ dɑkio muneɡɑbemo || əli et͡ɕet͡ɕ t͡ɕeoki suluh || əneȵ ȵenɑki | əneȵ ȵenɑk | əneȵ ȵenɑki | jəɡɑluk ənen | əneȵ ȵenɑki | jəɡɑlɨk əneȵ || jɑkli t͡ɕɨtɨk t͡ɕookʷiȵi joopʷiȵi | bɑwepiȵ| umu ɑ ɡɨkɨs || keiwɑkiȵ sɨluhʷ || əli ɡɨkɨsɨk || kobʷi wɑtɑ mulpɑk | kobʷi wɑtɑ muhlitɑk | ɑɑ ȵunɨbɨ ȵukɨsɨk/
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Re: Romanization challenge thread
Mountain Arapesh
/p pʷ b bʷ t d ʨ ʥ k kʷ ɡ ɡʷ/ p pw b bw t d ć j́ k kw g gw
/m m n ȵ/ m mw? n ń
/s h hʷ/ s h hw
/w l j/ w l y
/i ɨ u e ə o æ ɑ/ i ɨ u e ə o ä a
/oli jek ɑninɨ ibɑrɑ jek jəne wɑri || jek opɑhʷ ȵihihit͡ɕihʷ || jɑkli | wotɑk ibo kipɑinɑli || ibo kipɑinɑli, idɑlob elɑb || omom hɑkumonɨ wɑbok | oli jek ikumonɨ wɑbok ɑnɑnɨ eȵudɑk ȵunɨtɑkɨmoɡɨk || wo hɨnɑli wis e | hɑkumenɑli wɑbok oli jɑkli ikumonɨ wɑbok | ɑ dɑkio muneɡɑbemo || əli et͡ɕet͡ɕ t͡ɕeoki suluh || əneȵ ȵenɑki | əneȵ ȵenɑk | əneȵ ȵenɑki | jəɡɑluk ənen | əneȵ ȵenɑki | jəɡɑlɨk əneȵ || jɑkli t͡ɕɨtɨk t͡ɕookʷiȵi joopʷiȵi | bɑwepiȵ| umu ɑ ɡɨkɨs || keiwɑkiȵ sɨluhʷ || əli ɡɨkɨsɨk || kobʷi wɑtɑ mulpɑk | kobʷi wɑtɑ muhlitɑk | ɑɑ ȵunɨbɨ ȵukɨsɨk/
Oli yek aninɨ ibara yek yəne wari. Yek opahw ńihihićihw. Yakli, wotak ibo kipainali. Ibo kipainali, idalob elab. Omom hakumonɨ wabok, oli yek ikumonɨ wabok ananɨ eńudak ńunɨtakɨmogɨk. Wo hɨnali wis e, hakumenali wabok oli yakli ikumonɨ wabok, a dakio munegabemo. Ǝli ećeć ćeoki suluh. Ǝneń ńenaki, əneń ńenak, əneń ńenaki, yəgaluk ənen, əneń ńenaki, yəgalɨk əneń. Yakli ćɨtɨk ćookwińi yoopwińi, bawepiń, umu a gɨkɨs. Keiwakiń sɨluhw. Ǝli gɨkɨsɨk. Kobwi wata mulpak, kobwi wata muhlitak, aa ńunɨbɨ ńukɨsɨk.
/p pʷ b bʷ t d ʨ ʥ k kʷ ɡ ɡʷ/ p pw b bw t d ć j́ k kw g gw
/m m n ȵ/ m mw? n ń
/s h hʷ/ s h hw
/w l j/ w l y
/i ɨ u e ə o æ ɑ/ i ɨ u e ə o ä a
/oli jek ɑninɨ ibɑrɑ jek jəne wɑri || jek opɑhʷ ȵihihit͡ɕihʷ || jɑkli | wotɑk ibo kipɑinɑli || ibo kipɑinɑli, idɑlob elɑb || omom hɑkumonɨ wɑbok | oli jek ikumonɨ wɑbok ɑnɑnɨ eȵudɑk ȵunɨtɑkɨmoɡɨk || wo hɨnɑli wis e | hɑkumenɑli wɑbok oli jɑkli ikumonɨ wɑbok | ɑ dɑkio muneɡɑbemo || əli et͡ɕet͡ɕ t͡ɕeoki suluh || əneȵ ȵenɑki | əneȵ ȵenɑk | əneȵ ȵenɑki | jəɡɑluk ənen | əneȵ ȵenɑki | jəɡɑlɨk əneȵ || jɑkli t͡ɕɨtɨk t͡ɕookʷiȵi joopʷiȵi | bɑwepiȵ| umu ɑ ɡɨkɨs || keiwɑkiȵ sɨluhʷ || əli ɡɨkɨsɨk || kobʷi wɑtɑ mulpɑk | kobʷi wɑtɑ muhlitɑk | ɑɑ ȵunɨbɨ ȵukɨsɨk/
Oli yek aninɨ ibara yek yəne wari. Yek opahw ńihihićihw. Yakli, wotak ibo kipainali. Ibo kipainali, idalob elab. Omom hakumonɨ wabok, oli yek ikumonɨ wabok ananɨ eńudak ńunɨtakɨmogɨk. Wo hɨnali wis e, hakumenali wabok oli yakli ikumonɨ wabok, a dakio munegabemo. Ǝli ećeć ćeoki suluh. Ǝneń ńenaki, əneń ńenak, əneń ńenaki, yəgaluk ənen, əneń ńenaki, yəgalɨk əneń. Yakli ćɨtɨk ćookwińi yoopwińi, bawepiń, umu a gɨkɨs. Keiwakiń sɨluhw. Ǝli gɨkɨsɨk. Kobwi wata mulpak, kobwi wata muhlitak, aa ńunɨbɨ ńukɨsɨk.
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Re: Romanization challenge thread
There is only one /m/ phoneme in Mountain Arapesh, and Ibara is a proper name (information from http://www-01.sil.org/pacific/png/pubs/ ... ukiyip.pdf):
Bukiyɨp
p pv b bv t d ť ď k kv g gv
m n ň
s h hv
w l j
/i ɨ u e ə o æ ɑ/ i ɨ u e ɇ o ä a
Oli jek aninɨ Ibara jek jɇne vari. Jek opahv ňihihiťihv. Jakli, votak ibo kipainali. Ibo kipainali, idalob elab. Omom hakumonɨ vabok, oli jek ikumonɨ vabok ananɨ eňudak ňunɨtakɨmogɨk. Vo hɨnali vis e, hakumenali vabok oli jakli ikumonɨ vabok, a dakio munegabemo. Ɇli eťeť ťeoki suluh. Ɇneň ňenaki, ɇneň ňenak, ɇneň ňenaki, jɇgaluk ɇnen, ɇneň ňenaki, jɇgalɨk ɇneň. Akli ťɨtɨk ťookviňi joopviňi, bavepiň, umu a gɨkɨs. Keivakiň sɨluhv. Ɇli gɨkɨsɨk. Kobvi vata mulpak, kobvi vata muhlitak, aa ňunɨbɨ ňukɨsɨk.
agefaqeg-style: Bukiyɨp
p pw b bw t d ť ď k kw g gw
m n ň
s h hv
w l r
/i ɨ u e ə o æ ɑ/ i ɨ u e ê o è ao
oli rek aoninɨ ibaorao rek rêne vaori, rek opaohv ňihihiťihv, raokli, votaok ibo kipaoinaoli, ibo kipaoinaoli, idaolob elaob, omom haokumonɨ vaobok, oli rek ikumonɨ vaobok aonaonɨ eňudaok ňunɨtaokɨmogɨk, vo hɨnaoli vis e, haokumenaoli vaobok oli raokli ikumonɨ vaobok, ao daokio munegaobemo, êli eťeť ťeoki suluh, êneň ňenaoki, êneň ňenaok, êneň ňenaoki, rêgaoluk ênen, êneň ňenaoki, rêgaolɨk êneň, raokli ťɨtɨk ťookviňi roopviňi, baovepiň| umu ao gɨkɨs, keivaokiň sɨluhv, êli gɨkɨsɨk, kobvi vaotao mulpaok, kobvi vaotao muhlitaok, aoao ňunɨbɨ ňukɨsɨk,
Bukiyɨp
p pv b bv t d ť ď k kv g gv
m n ň
s h hv
w l j
/i ɨ u e ə o æ ɑ/ i ɨ u e ɇ o ä a
Oli jek aninɨ Ibara jek jɇne vari. Jek opahv ňihihiťihv. Jakli, votak ibo kipainali. Ibo kipainali, idalob elab. Omom hakumonɨ vabok, oli jek ikumonɨ vabok ananɨ eňudak ňunɨtakɨmogɨk. Vo hɨnali vis e, hakumenali vabok oli jakli ikumonɨ vabok, a dakio munegabemo. Ɇli eťeť ťeoki suluh. Ɇneň ňenaki, ɇneň ňenak, ɇneň ňenaki, jɇgaluk ɇnen, ɇneň ňenaki, jɇgalɨk ɇneň. Akli ťɨtɨk ťookviňi joopviňi, bavepiň, umu a gɨkɨs. Keivakiň sɨluhv. Ɇli gɨkɨsɨk. Kobvi vata mulpak, kobvi vata muhlitak, aa ňunɨbɨ ňukɨsɨk.
agefaqeg-style: Bukiyɨp
p pw b bw t d ť ď k kw g gw
m n ň
s h hv
w l r
/i ɨ u e ə o æ ɑ/ i ɨ u e ê o è ao
oli rek aoninɨ ibaorao rek rêne vaori, rek opaohv ňihihiťihv, raokli, votaok ibo kipaoinaoli, ibo kipaoinaoli, idaolob elaob, omom haokumonɨ vaobok, oli rek ikumonɨ vaobok aonaonɨ eňudaok ňunɨtaokɨmogɨk, vo hɨnaoli vis e, haokumenaoli vaobok oli raokli ikumonɨ vaobok, ao daokio munegaobemo, êli eťeť ťeoki suluh, êneň ňenaoki, êneň ňenaok, êneň ňenaoki, rêgaoluk ênen, êneň ňenaoki, rêgaolɨk êneň, raokli ťɨtɨk ťookviňi roopviňi, baovepiň| umu ao gɨkɨs, keivaokiň sɨluhv, êli gɨkɨsɨk, kobvi vaotao mulpaok, kobvi vaotao muhlitaok, aoao ňunɨbɨ ňukɨsɨk,
ìtsanso, God In The Mountain, may our names inspire the deepest feelings of fear in urkos and all his ilk, for we have saved another man from his lies! I welcome back to the feast hall kal, who will never gamble again! May the eleven gods bless him!
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Re: Romanization challenge thread
/bukijɨp/ <Bukiyɨp>
/p pʷ b bʷ t d ʨ ʥ k kʷ ɡ ɡʷ/ <p pu b bu t d c j k ku g gu>
/m n ȵ/ <m n n̂>
/s h hʷ/ <s h hu~uh>
/w l j/ <u l i>
/i ɨ u e ə o æ ɑ/ <i ɨ u e ø o ä a>
/oli jek ɑninɨ ibɑrɑ jek jəne wɑri || jek opɑhʷ ȵihihit͡ɕihʷ || jɑkli | wotɑk ibo kipɑinɑli || ibo kipɑinɑli, idɑlob elɑb || omom hɑkumonɨ wɑbok | oli jek ikumonɨ wɑbok ɑnɑnɨ eȵudɑk ȵunɨtɑkɨmoɡɨk || wo hɨnɑli wis e | hɑkumenɑli wɑbok oli jɑkli ikumonɨ wɑbok | ɑ dɑkio muneɡɑbemo || əli et͡ɕet͡ɕ t͡ɕeoki suluh || əneȵ ȵenɑki | əneȵ ȵenɑk | əneȵ ȵenɑki | jəɡɑluk ənen | əneȵ ȵenɑki | jəɡɑlɨk əneȵ || jɑkli t͡ɕɨtɨk t͡ɕookʷiȵi joopʷiȵi | bɑwepiȵ| umu ɑ ɡɨkɨs || keiwɑkiȵ sɨluhʷ || əli ɡɨkɨsɨk || kobʷi wɑtɑ mulpɑk | kobʷi wɑtɑ muhlitɑk | ɑɑ ȵunɨbɨ ȵukɨsɨk/
Oli iek aninɨ Ibara iek iøne uari. Iek opauh n̂ihihiciuh. Iakli, uotak ibo kipainali. Ibo kipainali, idalob elab. Omom hakumonɨ uabok, oli iek ikumonɨ uabok ananɨ en̂udak n̂unɨtakɨmogɨk. Uo hɨnali uis e, hakumenali uabok oli iakli ikumonɨ uabok, a dakio munegabemo. Øli ecec ceoki suluh. ønen̂ n̂enaki, ønen̂ n̂enak, ønen̂ n̂enaki, iøgaluk ønen, ønen̂ n̂enaki, iøgalɨk ønen̂. Iakli cɨtɨk cookuin̂i ioopuin̂i, bauepin̂, umu a gɨkɨs. Keiuakin̂ sɨluuh. Øli gɨkɨsɨk. Kobui uata mulpak, kobui uata muhlitak, aa n̂unɨbɨ n̂ukɨsɨk.
/p pʷ b bʷ t d ʨ ʥ k kʷ ɡ ɡʷ/ <p pu b bu t d c j k ku g gu>
/m n ȵ/ <m n n̂>
/s h hʷ/ <s h hu~uh>
/w l j/ <u l i>
/i ɨ u e ə o æ ɑ/ <i ɨ u e ø o ä a>
/oli jek ɑninɨ ibɑrɑ jek jəne wɑri || jek opɑhʷ ȵihihit͡ɕihʷ || jɑkli | wotɑk ibo kipɑinɑli || ibo kipɑinɑli, idɑlob elɑb || omom hɑkumonɨ wɑbok | oli jek ikumonɨ wɑbok ɑnɑnɨ eȵudɑk ȵunɨtɑkɨmoɡɨk || wo hɨnɑli wis e | hɑkumenɑli wɑbok oli jɑkli ikumonɨ wɑbok | ɑ dɑkio muneɡɑbemo || əli et͡ɕet͡ɕ t͡ɕeoki suluh || əneȵ ȵenɑki | əneȵ ȵenɑk | əneȵ ȵenɑki | jəɡɑluk ənen | əneȵ ȵenɑki | jəɡɑlɨk əneȵ || jɑkli t͡ɕɨtɨk t͡ɕookʷiȵi joopʷiȵi | bɑwepiȵ| umu ɑ ɡɨkɨs || keiwɑkiȵ sɨluhʷ || əli ɡɨkɨsɨk || kobʷi wɑtɑ mulpɑk | kobʷi wɑtɑ muhlitɑk | ɑɑ ȵunɨbɨ ȵukɨsɨk/
Oli iek aninɨ Ibara iek iøne uari. Iek opauh n̂ihihiciuh. Iakli, uotak ibo kipainali. Ibo kipainali, idalob elab. Omom hakumonɨ uabok, oli iek ikumonɨ uabok ananɨ en̂udak n̂unɨtakɨmogɨk. Uo hɨnali uis e, hakumenali uabok oli iakli ikumonɨ uabok, a dakio munegabemo. Øli ecec ceoki suluh. ønen̂ n̂enaki, ønen̂ n̂enak, ønen̂ n̂enaki, iøgaluk ønen, ønen̂ n̂enaki, iøgalɨk ønen̂. Iakli cɨtɨk cookuin̂i ioopuin̂i, bauepin̂, umu a gɨkɨs. Keiuakin̂ sɨluuh. Øli gɨkɨsɨk. Kobui uata mulpak, kobui uata muhlitak, aa n̂unɨbɨ n̂ukɨsɨk.
Re: Romanization challenge thread
Mountain Arapesh /bukijɨp/
/p pʷ b bʷ t d ʨ ʥ k kʷ ɡ ɡʷ/ <p p' b b' t d t' d' k k' g g'>
/m n ȵ/ <m n ŋ>
/s h hʷ/ <s h h'>
/w l j/ <w l y>
/i ɨ u e ə o æ ɑ/ <i ï u e ë o ä a>
/oli jek ɑninɨ ibɑrɑ jek jəne wɑri || jek opɑhʷ ȵihihit͡ɕihʷ || jɑkli | wotɑk ibo kipɑinɑli || ibo kipɑinɑli, idɑlob elɑb || omom hɑkumonɨ wɑbok | oli jek ikumonɨ wɑbok ɑnɑnɨ eȵudɑk ȵunɨtɑkɨmoɡɨk || wo hɨnɑli wis e | hɑkumenɑli wɑbok oli jɑkli ikumonɨ wɑbok | ɑ dɑkio muneɡɑbemo || əli et͡ɕet͡ɕ t͡ɕeoki suluh || əneȵ ȵenɑki | əneȵ ȵenɑk | əneȵ ȵenɑki | jəɡɑluk ənen | əneȵ ȵenɑki | jəɡɑlɨk əneȵ || jɑkli t͡ɕɨtɨk t͡ɕookʷiȵi joopʷiȵi | bɑwepiȵ| umu ɑ ɡɨkɨs || keiwɑkiȵ sɨluhʷ || əli ɡɨkɨsɨk || kobʷi wɑtɑ mulpɑk | kobʷi wɑtɑ muhlitɑk | ɑɑ ȵunɨbɨ ȵukɨsɨk/
Oli yek aninï ibara yek yëne wari. Yek opah' ŋihihit'ih'. Yakli, wotak ibo kipainali. Ibo kipainali, idalob elab. Omom hakumonï wabok, oli yek ikumonï wabok ananï eŋudak ŋunïtakïmogïk. Wo hïnali wis e, hakumenali wabok oli yakli ikumonï wabok, a dakio munegabemo. Ëli et'et' t'eoki suluh. Ëneŋ ŋenaki, ëneŋ ŋenak, ëneŋ ŋenaki, yëgaluk ënen, ëneŋ ŋenaki, yëgalïk ëneŋ. Yakli t'ïtïk t'ook'iŋi yoop'iŋi, bawepiŋ, umu a gïkïs. Keiwakiŋ sïluh'. Ëli gïkïsïk. Kob'i wata mulpak, kob'i wata muhlitak, aa ŋunïbï ŋukïsïk.
/p pʷ b bʷ t d ʨ ʥ k kʷ ɡ ɡʷ/ <p p' b b' t d t' d' k k' g g'>
/m n ȵ/ <m n ŋ>
/s h hʷ/ <s h h'>
/w l j/ <w l y>
/i ɨ u e ə o æ ɑ/ <i ï u e ë o ä a>
/oli jek ɑninɨ ibɑrɑ jek jəne wɑri || jek opɑhʷ ȵihihit͡ɕihʷ || jɑkli | wotɑk ibo kipɑinɑli || ibo kipɑinɑli, idɑlob elɑb || omom hɑkumonɨ wɑbok | oli jek ikumonɨ wɑbok ɑnɑnɨ eȵudɑk ȵunɨtɑkɨmoɡɨk || wo hɨnɑli wis e | hɑkumenɑli wɑbok oli jɑkli ikumonɨ wɑbok | ɑ dɑkio muneɡɑbemo || əli et͡ɕet͡ɕ t͡ɕeoki suluh || əneȵ ȵenɑki | əneȵ ȵenɑk | əneȵ ȵenɑki | jəɡɑluk ənen | əneȵ ȵenɑki | jəɡɑlɨk əneȵ || jɑkli t͡ɕɨtɨk t͡ɕookʷiȵi joopʷiȵi | bɑwepiȵ| umu ɑ ɡɨkɨs || keiwɑkiȵ sɨluhʷ || əli ɡɨkɨsɨk || kobʷi wɑtɑ mulpɑk | kobʷi wɑtɑ muhlitɑk | ɑɑ ȵunɨbɨ ȵukɨsɨk/
Oli yek aninï ibara yek yëne wari. Yek opah' ŋihihit'ih'. Yakli, wotak ibo kipainali. Ibo kipainali, idalob elab. Omom hakumonï wabok, oli yek ikumonï wabok ananï eŋudak ŋunïtakïmogïk. Wo hïnali wis e, hakumenali wabok oli yakli ikumonï wabok, a dakio munegabemo. Ëli et'et' t'eoki suluh. Ëneŋ ŋenaki, ëneŋ ŋenak, ëneŋ ŋenaki, yëgaluk ënen, ëneŋ ŋenaki, yëgalïk ëneŋ. Yakli t'ïtïk t'ook'iŋi yoop'iŋi, bawepiŋ, umu a gïkïs. Keiwakiŋ sïluh'. Ëli gïkïsïk. Kob'i wata mulpak, kob'i wata muhlitak, aa ŋunïbï ŋukïsïk.
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Re: Romanization challenge thread
Don't trust the phoneme inventory that is given for languages in all cases. E.g. in this case the inventory given at the start has no labialized consonants, but the example which is quoted here clearly does have labialized consonants.mèþru wrote:There is only one /m/ phoneme in Mountain Arapesh, and Ibara is a proper name (information from http://www-01.sil.org/pacific/png/pubs/ ... ukiyip.pdf):
Dibotahamdn duthma jallni agaynni ra hgitn lakrhmi.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.
Re: Romanization challenge thread
(I think this thread is also the right place for this kind of questions)
If you wanted to represent a non-rhotic voiced uvular phoneme (fricative with a stop allophone or viceversa) and the glottal stop with the letters <c> and <x>, which letter would you use for which phoneme? I know Pirahã uses <x> for /ʔ/ and I think I've seen it used for /ʁ/ too, but I don't think I've seen <c> used for neither of those sounds.
If you wanted to represent a non-rhotic voiced uvular phoneme (fricative with a stop allophone or viceversa) and the glottal stop with the letters <c> and <x>, which letter would you use for which phoneme? I know Pirahã uses <x> for /ʔ/ and I think I've seen it used for /ʁ/ too, but I don't think I've seen <c> used for neither of those sounds.
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Re: Romanization challenge thread
There's no way answering your question without knowing the rest of your phoneme inventory and the romanization you intend to use.Benturi wrote:(I think this thread is also the right place for this kind of questions)
If you wanted to represent a non-rhotic voiced uvular phoneme (fricative with a stop allophone or viceversa) and the glottal stop with the letters <c> and <x>, which letter would you use for which phoneme? I know Pirahã uses <x> for /ʔ/ and I think I've seen it used for /ʁ/ too, but I don't think I've seen <c> used for neither of those sounds.
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ESTAR-3SG:P human-OBJ only human-OBJ true-OBJ REL-LOC play-3SG:A
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Re: Romanization challenge thread
/ʔ ʁ/ <c x>
<c> is used in some languages of Papua-New Guinea for the glottal stop, so you'll have a natlang precedent.
<c> is used in some languages of Papua-New Guinea for the glottal stop, so you'll have a natlang precedent.
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Do you use <q> for anything? If not, it may be a reasonable choice. Or if you don't use <g>, you may try that.
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Re: Romanization challenge thread
Make it an unwritten language. Problem solved.
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Re: Romanization challenge thread
@Opipik: Thanks! A suggestion based on natlang precedents and/or aesthetic preference is what I was hoping for.
@WeepingElf: It's not for one single conlang, all of them have /q/ and either there's /g/ or I'm using <g> for something else. But I'm curious: assuming you wanted to use <c> and <x> for /ʔ/ and /ɢ~ʁ/, would your choice be different if the phoneme inventory is something like /m n b t d k g q ɢ~ʁ ʔ s h l i a u/ than if it's something like Kwak'wala or smth like Southern Qiang + /ʔ/?
@Pole: Why didn't I think of that before
@WeepingElf: It's not for one single conlang, all of them have /q/ and either there's /g/ or I'm using <g> for something else. But I'm curious: assuming you wanted to use <c> and <x> for /ʔ/ and /ɢ~ʁ/, would your choice be different if the phoneme inventory is something like /m n b t d k g q ɢ~ʁ ʔ s h l i a u/ than if it's something like Kwak'wala or smth like Southern Qiang + /ʔ/?
@Pole: Why didn't I think of that before
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Re: Romanization challenge thread
Brand new language (for dragons)
/t ts tʃ tɕ k q ʔ/
/t' ts' tʃ' tɕ' k' q'/
/θ s ʃ ɕ x χ h/
/l ɹ j ɰ/
/n/
/i i: ɯ ɯ:/
/e e: ə ɤ ɤ:/
/ɑ ɑ:/
I really need a good ASCII romanisation of this, and would also like one without digraphs.
Edit: pls no mixed caps.
/t ts tʃ tɕ k q ʔ/
/t' ts' tʃ' tɕ' k' q'/
/θ s ʃ ɕ x χ h/
/l ɹ j ɰ/
/n/
/i i: ɯ ɯ:/
/e e: ə ɤ ɤ:/
/ɑ ɑ:/
I really need a good ASCII romanisation of this, and would also like one without digraphs.
Edit: pls no mixed caps.
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Re: Romanization challenge thread
Got it!
/t ts tʃ tɕ k q ʔ/ «t c C j k q '»
/t' ts' tʃ' tɕ' k' q'/ «d z Z J g Q»
/θ s ʃ ɕ x χ h/ «f s S X x H h»
/l ɹ j ɰ/ «l r y w»
/n/ «n»
/i i: ɯ ɯ:/ «i I u U»
/e e: ə ɤ ɤ:/ «e E v o O»
/ɑ ɑ:/ «a A»
/t ts tʃ tɕ k q ʔ/ «t c C j k q '»
/t' ts' tʃ' tɕ' k' q'/ «d z Z J g Q»
/θ s ʃ ɕ x χ h/ «f s S X x H h»
/l ɹ j ɰ/ «l r y w»
/n/ «n»
/i i: ɯ ɯ:/ «i I u U»
/e e: ə ɤ ɤ:/ «e E v o O»
/ɑ ɑ:/ «a A»
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Re: Romanization challenge thread
*cri* I edited my post.
Re: Romanization challenge thread
/t ts tʃ tɕ k q ʔ/ <d z c g k q 7>
/t' ts' tʃ' tɕ' k' q'/ <5 2 4 6 % !>
/θ s ʃ ɕ x χ h/ <t s $ ~ x & h>
/l ɹ j ɰ/ <l r j w>
/n/ <n>
/i i: ɯ ɯ:/ <i 1 u 9>
/e e: ə ɤ ɤ:/ <e 3 y o 0>
/ɑ ɑ:/ <a @>
There you go, all ASCII with no digraphs and no caps.
Seriously, though:
/t ts tʃ tɕ k q ʔ/ <d c cj kj k q '>
/t' ts' tʃ' tɕ' k' q'/ <d' c' cj' kj' k' q'>
/θ s ʃ ɕ x χ h/ <t s sj xj x g h>
/l ɹ j ɰ/ <l r y w>
/n/ <n>
/i i: ɯ ɯ:/ <i ii u uu>
/e e: ə ɤ ɤ:/ <e ee v o oo>
/ɑ ɑ:/ <a aa>
/t' ts' tʃ' tɕ' k' q'/ <5 2 4 6 % !>
/θ s ʃ ɕ x χ h/ <t s $ ~ x & h>
/l ɹ j ɰ/ <l r j w>
/n/ <n>
/i i: ɯ ɯ:/ <i 1 u 9>
/e e: ə ɤ ɤ:/ <e 3 y o 0>
/ɑ ɑ:/ <a @>
There you go, all ASCII with no digraphs and no caps.
Seriously, though:
/t ts tʃ tɕ k q ʔ/ <d c cj kj k q '>
/t' ts' tʃ' tɕ' k' q'/ <d' c' cj' kj' k' q'>
/θ s ʃ ɕ x χ h/ <t s sj xj x g h>
/l ɹ j ɰ/ <l r y w>
/n/ <n>
/i i: ɯ ɯ:/ <i ii u uu>
/e e: ə ɤ ɤ:/ <e ee v o oo>
/ɑ ɑ:/ <a aa>