Help your conlang fluency (2)

[Ars Lande]

It is quiet here.

To meìt... saáras meìt
IND quiet / too.much quiet

[Travis B.]

May

1.SG

tšie

SUBJ

syuôr

write.IMPF

qwur

more

ʔiŋ

CONJ

may

1.SG

mbi

feel.IMPF

źe

EGO

kyuʔ

however

qwuoy

bad

ʔauŋ.

EMPH

[mɛj tʂie sjyœˤɻ qʷyɻ ʔiɴ mɛj mbi ʑe kjuʔ qʷyøj ʔɑɴ]
I would write more, but I feel like shit.

[sucaeyl]

To meìt... saáras meìt
IND quiet / too.much quiet

Ya

Q

xujha

think

se

C

rba

about

se

C

kutudk

ambush

kafi

1.2.3

sen?

2

[ja˩ ʃu˥ɣə sɛ˩ rβ̞a˩ sɛ˩ kuduk˥˩ kaβi˩ sɛ̃˩]
You think we're about to be ambushed?

[Travis B.]

May

1.SG

džuoy

like

źe

EGO

žaŋ

manner

na

REL

luy

become.PERF

si

APSS

zyauŋ

Old_Zlang

qa

ESS

yo

3.SG

ʔiŋ

CONJ

may

1.SG

phyoy

know.IMPF

źe

EGO

ńa

NEG

thie

thing

na

REL

tšie

want

ta

do.PERF

qwur

more

may

1.SG

ńiʔ

use.PERF

yo.

3.SG

[mɛj dʐyøj ʑe ʐaɴ na lyj si zjɑɴ qa jo ʔiɴ mɛj pʰjøj ʑe ɲa tʰie na tʂie ta qʷyɻ mɛj ɲiʔ jo]
I like how Old Zlang has turned out and I do not know what more to do with it.

[sucaeyl]

May

1.SG

džuoy

like

źe

EGO

žaŋ

manner

na

REL

luy

become.PERF

si

APSS

zyauŋ

Old_Zlang

qa

ESS

yo

3.SG

ʔiŋ

CONJ

may

1.SG

phyoy

know.IMPF

źe

EGO

ńa

NEG

thie

thing

na

REL

tšie

want

ta

do.PERF

qwur

more

may

1.SG

ńiʔ

use.PERF

yo.

3.SG

[mɛj dʐyøj ʑe ʐaɴ na lyj si zjɑɴ qa jo ʔiɴ mɛj pʰjøj ʑe ɲa tʰie na tʂie ta qʷyɻ mɛj ɲiʔ jo]
I like how Old Zlang has turned out and I do not know what more to do with it.

Sula

of.course

tiyovn

need

tojn

REL

sijp

be.new

'siyaag'

Old.Zlang

sen,

2

fadro!

thus

[sula˩ tijɔ̰ʔn˨˦ tɔn˥ sip˥ sijaːŋ˩ sɛn˩ ɸa˥˩ɾɔ]
Then you need New Zlang, of course!

[jal]

Min in se way it in di gwan dis pah. Ova fo mi, mi a mek mek oda ting dem.
I don't know why it wasn't busy here. As for me, I'm busy with other things.


JAL

[Astraios]

Eǰ ke redem am perčhat, red-tane de theigem dim ati. La perčha:
1SG.NOM want write.PERF-1SG with question-FSG.ABL writing-TEMP but throw.PERF-1SG that-FSG.ACC back here.is question-FSG.NOM
I was going to write a question, but I answered it in the middle of writing it. Here is the question:

Eǰ naizia se ka ziem. Mi en phana an edei (‘usmaniai’) dadisia e adadisia, za sie eǰ šiziem, vartna de edei naien. Vartna ia kesim se en edei, memniem, nu de naizia se thesiem di am a-/dadisieit, si nu mi et. Edi dačha inliet indeuropeanam, es-side kesim se ani en vartna. Inei pad vede seriet ende an man? Za enasthiktei (“augment” inal) ki memniete? Za phanoi iusis?

1SG.NOM NEG.know.IPFV-1SG SUBJ what-NSG.ACC do.IPFV-1SG 1SG.DAT be-3PL verb-NPL.NOM in this-FSG.DAT eastern-FSG.DAT perfective-NPL.NOM and imperfective-NPL.NOM over REL-NPL.DAT 1SG.NOM enjoy.IPFV-1SG time-NPL.NOM but this-FSG.DAT NEG-be-3PL time-NPL.NOM yes want.IPFV-1SG SUBJ be-3PL this-FSG.DAT think.IPFV-1SG already but NEG.know.IPFV-1SG SUBJ put.IPFV-1SG that-NPL.ACC with im-/perfectivity-FSG.ABL REL-FSG.NOM already 1SG.DAT be-3SG this-FSG.NOM language-FSG.NOM resemble.IPFV-3SG indoeuropean-FSG.ACC out.of-REL-NPL.ABL want.IPFV-1SG SUBJ in be-3PL verb-NPL.NOM one-MSG.DAT between 2PL.ABL grow.IPFV-3SG thing in mind-FSG.ACC over prefix-NSG.DAT augment like what-NPL.ACC think.IPFV-2PL over verb-NSG.DAT help-FSG.GEN

I don’t know what to do. I have in this language (Usmanian/‘Eastern’) perfective and imperfective verbs that I’m happy with, but it doesn’t have tenses. I think I do want it to have tenses, but I don’t know how to fit them in anymore with the im-/perfectivity I’ve already got. This language resembles an Indo-European one, which is why I want there to be tenses in it. Does anything suggest itself to any of you? What do you think about a prefix (like the augment)? Or an auxiliary verb?

(Im-/perfectivity is already marked suffixally, and I don’t want tense to be the same.)

La de atatheiga: enatphana, an sie ent pasarse varta e “aspect”.
here.is and back-throw-FSG.NOM preverbal-NPL.NOM in REL-NPL.DAT become.IPFV-3PL without-head-NSG.DAT time-NSG.NOM and aspect
And the answer: preverbal elements, in which tense gets mixed up with aspect.

‘As ke phaniet’, ‘as nu phaniet’, ‘as the phaniet’, ‘as di phaniet’, am aniade.
3SG.NOM want--verb.IPFV-3SG 3SG.NOM already--verb.IPFV-3SG 3SG.NOM make--verb.IPFV-3SG 3SG.NOM glance--verb.IPFV-3SG with other-NPL.ABL
‘He will verb’, ‘he has begun verbing’, ‘he has verbed’, ‘he verbs suddenly’, and others.

[Travis B.]

How I did it in Old Zlang is, going from Proto-Tshyak, which does not have tense, making the perfective become past perfective and the imperfective become present imperfective, and deriving the past imperfective from the imperfective with an auxiliary verb, the future perfective from the perfective with an auxiliary verb, and the future imperfective from the imperfective with an auxiliary verb.

[shanoxilt]

mi do fo la .lojban. tavla .i ku'i mi na racli

I talk to you in Lojban. However, I'm not rational.

[shanoxilt]

coi rodo i mi ba'o se livbai lo drata nunsnu mu'i lonu ciska bau la lojban i mi pacna lonu la lojban cu vi xamgu
Hello everyone. I was expelled from the other thread for posting in Lojban. I hope it's okay here.

.i coi do .i mi'e .cizypij. ni'o tavla fa ko mi zo'e la .lojban.

Hi, you. I'm Cizypij. Talk to me in Lojban!

[Nortaneous]

idaṅ yaganyiṣ tso ga ma iilya ma stmaga wlaś
[iˈʑɒ̃ jɒəˈɲiʂ tsɒm ˈiʑə mə ˈɕmɒə βlaɕ]
i think i don't care about conlanging anymore

[shanoxilt]

idaṅ yaganyiṣ tso ga ma iilya ma stmaga wlaś
[iˈʑɒ̃ jɒəˈɲiʂ tsɒm ˈiʑə mə ˈɕmɒə βlaɕ]
i think i don't care about conlanging anymore

(Volapük) No fovo plidob lifi.

No longer does life please me.

[Znex]

Has weʃi mi wim.
I know that feeling.

[Boşkoventi]

Ci ha var jah mut. Komu mig un, ci si mauo jahaie. Óvueréssa konu beniki cin.
I kinda feel that way. Or maybe I'm just tired. School [i.e. University] wore me out.

On the other hand, I just discovered that Vaida Mi ha didn't have a word for "or". So that's fixed.

[hwhatting]

Aip niplít, al sa bíti mai fádu caidinai.
although rain-PRES.ACT.3SG but ART-F.SG.NOM life-SG.NOM PRON.1SG-DAT sweet-F.SG.NOM today
Even if it's raining, life is beautiful today.

[WeepingElf]

Dadragahasa mala samdenda mam cvathadanthad.
away-carry-1SG:P-3SG:A 1SG-PRT-AGT music.band-SGT 1SG-OBJ langauge-make-VN-ABL
My band carries me away from conlanging,

Mar tha am samdendam canthesam am cvanthad adama.
but ESTAR-3SG:P the:C-OBJ music.band-OBJ good-SUP-C-OBJ REL-OBJ all-ABL AOR-do-1SG:A
But the band is the best thing I ever did.

[jal]

Even if it's raining, life is beautiful today.

Mi glat yu fayn layf a byutifu. Mi les as way yu fayn so?
I'm glad you find life beautiful. May I ask why you think so?

Olso, it me mi re as, ova fo yu konlang bes pon wo langwic dem? O im a priori? niplit an biti luk slavonik?
Furthermore, it could be I've already asked, but what languages is your conlang based on? Or is it a priori? niplit and biti look slavonic?

But the band is the best thing I ever did.

A wo mana ban dis a?
What kind of band is this?


JAL

[WeepingElf]

But the band is the best thing I ever did.

A wo mana ban dis a?
What kind of band is this?

A progressive rock band. (Sorry, there is no Old Albic word for 'progressive rock'.)

[jal]

A progressive rock band. (Sorry, there is no Old Albic word for 'progressive rock'.)

You could translate it litterally: "forward stone music" :))

Ah, kul. Wo progresif rok ban swit yu? Mi won 90s ban dem sem Arena, IQ, Marillion an an. An fo ray dem Polis ban sem Quidam, Lizard, Abraxas an an. Olso, a wo inswuman yu mek?
Ah, cool. What progressive rock bands do you like? I like 90s bands like Arena, IQ, Marillion, etc. And of course Polish bands like Quidam, Lizard, Abraxas etc. Also, what instrument do you play?


JAL

[WeepingElf]

Valdama plethim phanderim rocdindisilim phratredinilim.
Like-3SG:P-1SG:A many-OBJ kind-PL-OBJ rock-music-LOC-PL-OBJ forward-going-LOC-PL-OBJ
'I like many kinds of progressive rock.'

Nabanda rocdindisi phratredini plethinis erdindisil, valaras jesdindil a canas rocdindisil.
combine-3SG:P rock-music-INS forward-going-INS richness high-music-LOC emotion jazz-music-LOC and power rock-music-LOC
'Progressive rock combines the richness of classical music, the emotion of jazz and the power of rock music.'

Si senim semdindid veldinithid milid Yes, Pink Floyd, Rush, Marillion a Dream Theater.
SER-3PL:P some-OBJ band-PL-ABL liked-SUP-PL-ABL 1SG-PRT-PL-ABL Yes Pink Floyd Rush Marillion and Dream Theater
'Some of my favourite bands are Yes, Pink Floyd, Rush, Marillion and Dream Theater.'

Sa dindilim misim themam a clithirim.
SER-3SG:P music-instrument-PL voice-OBJ and keyboard-PL
'My instruments are voice and keyboards.'

[hwhatting]

I'm glad you find life beautiful. May I ask why you think so?

Tommo tan bítin fádun munní, wit mai's rechtun.
That-N.SG.ABL ART-F.SG.ACC life-SG.ACC sweet-F.SG.ACC think-PRES.ACT.1SG because PRON.1SG-DAT be-PRES.ACT.3SG.CLIT good-N.SG.NOM
I think life is beautiful because I feel good.

Olso, it me mi re as, ova fo yu konlang bes pon wo langwic dem? O im a priori? niplit an biti luk slavonik?
Furthermore, it could be I've already asked, but what languages is your conlang based on? Or is it a priori? niplit and biti look slavonic?

Tautisca is an a posteriori Indo-European language, for which I aimed at a North-Western flavour, a language with affinities to Italic, Celtic, Germanic, and Balto-Slavic.

Sa dindilim misim themam a clithirim.
SER-3SG:P music-instrument-PL voice-OBJ and keyboard-PL
'My instruments are voice and keyboards.'

I assume misim means "my"? You forgot to gloss it.

[jal]

Some of my favourite bands are Yes, Pink Floyd, Rush, Marillion and Dream Theater.

Ah, yu won dem ola :)
Ah, you like the oldies :).

My instruments are voice and keyboards.

It a saml onlayn som ples?
Is there an example on-line somewhere?


JAL

[Dē Graut Bʉr]

Aip niplít, al sa bíti mai fádu caidinai.

Fádu < swéh2dus?

Ŋzətverkɨǧərtərdal "Indo-European"eterdɨm. Itirmi lirviz hač təǧərtəmək "sw" əx"f", iliǧərtə ɨzɨqɨm irmi ovəzgərtə.
ŋzət-vərkɨ-ǧərtə-ərdə-al IE-Vt-erdə-ɨm. Vt-irmi l-irviz hač tə-ǧərtə-mək "sw" əx-"f", ili-ǧərtə ɨ-zɨqɨ-ɨm ɨ-irmi o-və-zgərtə.
1SG.POSS-idea-make-language-COMB IE-CL(II)-language-OBL.SG. CL(II)-this 2SG.POSS-that like CL(II)-make-IMPF "sw" purpose-"f", INSTR.focus-make CL(I)-word-OBL.SG CL(I)-this CL(I).REL-be-same.
I once had the idea of making an Indo-European language. Like yours, it turned "sw" into "f", so that word ended up the same.

[WeepingElf]

Some of my favourite bands are Yes, Pink Floyd, Rush, Marillion and Dream Theater.

Ah, yu won dem ola
Ah, you like the oldies .

Né seli. Valdama chvemi prog telin. Sa dindis mil semil al Pain of Salvation o Ayreon: prog telin mactelin chvamal naphlamal folkod a metalad.
not only. like-3SG:P-1SG:A also prog modern. SER-3SG:P music 1PL:EXCL-PRT similar the:C-PRT Pain of Salvation or Ayreon: prog modern epic with influence-LOC folk-ABL and metal-ABL
'Not only. I also like modern prog. Our music is similar to Pain of Salvation or Ayreon: epic modern prog with influences from folk and metal.'

My instruments are voice and keyboards.

It a saml onlayn som ples?
Is there an example on-line somewhere?

Né hal.
not now
'Not yet.'

[hwhatting]

Aip niplít, al sa bíti mai fádu caidinai.

Fádu < swéh2dus?

Tóci's.
so be-PRES.ACT.3SG.CLIT
That's right. (lit.: "so (it) is").

I once had the idea of making an Indo-European language. Like yours, it turned "sw" into "f", so that word ended up the same.

Fac to mummun eftarlaift?
But-INT that-N.SG.ACC idea-SG.ACC abandon-RES.NONACT.2SG
But you abandoned that idea?