Lexicon Building

[masako]

next: relief

Kala: tlaho - to ease; to relieve; relief

next: touchscreen; touch panel






I hope everyone is doing well and enjoying spring.

[sucaeyl]

next: touchscreen; touch panel

Yaas pi fov
fingertip PURP glass
[jaːs˩ pi˩ ɸɔ̰ʔ˨˦]

Next up: abstraction, model

I hope everyone is doing well and enjoying spring.

Thank you, but why have you gone to such lengths to hide your kind message?

[Soap]

next: touchscreen; touch panel

Yaas pi fov
fingertip PURP glass
[jaːs˩ pi˩ ɸɔ̰ʔ˨˦]

Next up: abstraction, model

What does purpositive do? "glass for fingertrips"? I like that, and since I seem to have created my language without a dative case, I need to find a way to express dative meanings some other way. I might use the purposiitve constructiion for that (althiough it isnt a case).

Also does -v mark both the tone and the final glottal stop?

answer:

Poswa:

pwebbapa from pwep "plan, fantasy" + bapa "idea, particularly for how to improve something". One could add
waves "model, good example" to make the definition closer to what you proposed but I think that semantic change will carry the meaning away to what you proposed without the addition.

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next:

curly-haired

[sucaeyl]

[What does purpositive do? "glass for fingertrips"? I like that, and since I seem to have created my language without a dative case, I need to find a way to express dative meanings some other way. I might use the purposiitve constructiion for that (althiough it isnt a case).

Yep, that's what I had in mind! And, this language of mine doesn't have morphological case at all, so I don't see why you couldn't have a purposive case!

Also does -v mark both the tone and the final glottal stop?

More or less–I think of it as a checked tone (and don't forget the creaky voice!) The glottal stop doesn't appear elsewhere. I mark tone with otherwise unused letters more generally, inspired by Hmong orthography. So 'ta', 'tad', 'taj', 'tav' would be [ta˩], [ta˥˩], [ta˥] and [ta̰ʔ˨˦] respectively.

next:

curly-haired

xbap
[ʃ͡ɸap˩]

This would be some sort of predicate adjective for 'curly'. So,

Xbap

be.curly

kic.

hair

[ʃ͡ɸap˩ kiç˩]
'The hair is curly'

To say something like, 'The man has curly hair', you'd need to relativize 'hair'. Note that relative clauses are internally headed:

Lej

have.PssdT

tojn

REL

xbap

be.curly

kic

hair

fooso.

man

[lɛ˥ tɔn˥ ʃ͡ɸap˩ kiç˩ fɔˑzˑɔ˩]
'The man has curly hair.'

To make that man do something, you'd need to relativize 'man'. Here's 'The curly-haired man spat out the flatbread'. If you're interested, the verb 'have' has undergone a morphophonological tone change to show that its internal argument is the possessor. This is necessary because only internal arguments can head relative clauses:

Cbuuk

spit.out

kifa

flatbread

tojn

REL

lev

have.PssrT

fooso

man

tojn

REL

xbap

be.curly

kic.

hair

[ç͡ɸuːk˩ kiβa˩ tɔn˥ lɛ̰ʔ˨˦ fɔˑzˑɔ˩ tɔn˥ ʃ͡ɸap˩ kiç˩]
'The curly-haired man spat out the flatbread'.

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Next:
flour

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[Nortaneous]

Xinyei:

wvl, wlo-: 'curl'
wlomenei 'curly'

yogv wlomenei
curly hair

yogv yonggeizei wilyvn
the man's hair is curly

yikshii 'flour'

next: 'bake'

[sucaeyl]

next: 'bake'

kadyog kayovg
bake.PT bake.AT
[ka˥˩jɔŋ] [kajɔ̰ʔ˨˦ŋ̩]

Kadyog nara (fa).
bake.PT quiche (1)
[ka˥˩jɔŋ naɾa˩ (ɸa˩)]
'The quiche (was) baked (by me).'

Kayovg fa (nara).
bake.AT 1 (quiche)
[kajɔ̰ʔ˨˦ŋ̩ ɸa˩ (naɾa˩)]
'I baked (the quiche).'

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Next:
wine tasting

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[Dama Diwan]

Next:wine tasting

mito wawon wija sime

MITO sweet thing
WAWON fermented
WIJA by means of the senses
SIME form an opinion

next: apricot

[hwhatting]

next: apricot

Tautisca armeniacun, armeniacus, armenis "apricot", from Latin (malum) armeniacum "apricot"

Next: to plough

[shanoxilt]

More: show

Are we allowed to share vocabulary from invented languages that we are learning?
If so, then here is a Lojban gismu (root word):
plixa -lix-
x1 (agent) plows/furrows/tills [cuts into and turns up] x2 with tool x3 propelled by x4.

[hwhatting]

Are we allowed to share vocabulary from invented languages that we are learning?
If so, then here is a Lojban gismu (root word):
plixa -lix-
x1 (agent) plows/furrows/tills [cuts into and turns up] x2 with tool x3 propelled by x4.

Well, the original idea was to expand the lexicon of our own conlangs, but I don't see any harm in posting words from conlangs you are learning.
But in any case, you need to give a next word, so someone else can continue.

[Dama Diwan]

Tautisca armeniacun, armeniacus, armenis "apricot", from Latin (malum) armeniacum "apricot"

Next: to plough

I expected something more "innovative" than the mere scientific name. Anyway, Dama freely accepts all scientific names as they are, and adds a description when they are introduced. So for "apricot" I was thinking a description like "WAKE NAIMO WAUKO NUTO" ("sexual flesh appearance yellow fruit"), because from one side it looks like a girl's genitals while from another side it looks like a glans penis. But yes, I would first give the scientific name.
For ploughing, that is included in a theatrical play I 've written with the Qain and Habel story; at those times, ploughing was a great invention, called JUJA NAWE (JUJA=by pulling, NAWE=digging).
I am thinking about electricity; we can of course borrow the international term "electric", but are there any original terms for "electric"? And if possible, explain also a term for "electronic".
So,

next: electric

[hwhatting]

Tautisca armeniacun, armeniacus, armenis "apricot", from Latin (malum) armeniacum "apricot"

I expected something more "innovative" than the mere scientific name.

Tautisca is not an a priori language where I can make up whatever I want. It's an Indo-Eureopean a posteriori language with a history of language contact; in this case, Tautisca, in a similar way to many European languages, got the name of most cultivated fruits from Latin. And BTW, the scientific name (of the tree) is prunus (= "plum") armeniaca, while Tautica has the name of the fruit from (Late) Classical Latin, malum (= "apple") armeniacum.

[Soap]

I am thinking about electricity; we can of course borrow the international term "electric", but are there any original terms for "electric"? And if possible, explain also a term for "electronic".
So,

next: electric

Poswa:

pompabui from pompa "thunder, lightning" and buwi "energy, power".

the best way to do a word for "electronic" i think would be to mak a word for computer first, and then say "like a computer". i have pampappep for "cellphone", literally "pocket voice",but no word for computer.

NEXT:
sweet food, dessert, soemthing eaten after a meal

[Dama Diwan]

Tautisca is not an a priori language where I can make up whatever I want. It's an Indo-Eureopean a posteriori language with a history of language contact; in this case, Tautisca, in a similar way to many European languages, got the name of most cultivated fruits from Latin. And BTW, the scientific name (of the tree) is prunus (= "plum") armeniaca, while Tautica has the name of the fruit from (Late) Classical Latin, malum (= "apple") armeniacum.

The established international terms (usually from Latin and Greek) are indispensable in the real world.
I have in mind a form of Latino Sine Flexione with a little bit more enriched grammar than Peano's, so with a flexible syntax. May I have a quick description of Tautisca and a little sample?
To that person about computers, computer has been easy for me, NIBE TANO "finding machine", NIBE NIRO "finding tablet", NIBE BANO "finding folded thing", but for electronics I had a little difficulty. We must be friends, we can ease each other's ways in vocabulary.

"sweet food, dessert, soemthing eaten after a meal" could be MITO BAMO (sweet food), but MITO (sweet) alone can be enough, because when it is not before another noun, it works as a noun itself. For more elaborate, MITE BAMO "sweetening food", making you (feel) sweet.

[sucaeyl]

NEXT:
sweet food, dessert, soemthing eaten after a meal

koos la qofo
sugar COM food
[kɞːs˩ la˩ ˈqɔ˩βɔ]
dessert, literally 'food with sugar'

sefekyud ci tbes macar qofo
meal GEN after TEMP food
[sɛβɛgˈjʉ˥˩ çi˩ t͡pœs ˈmaʝaɾ ˈqɔ˩βɔ]
dessert, literally 'food for after a meal'


EDIT:
Shoot, sorry Dama, didn't see yours!
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Next:
mess, clutter, filth, squalor
OR
addiction, getting addicted (Dama Diwan's)

[hwhatting]

May I have a quick description of Tautisca and a little sample?

Thank you for your interest, but I don't have a good description anywhere and no time right now to do one, sorry. As for samples, you'll find some here; look for my postings in the "conlang fluency thread".

[Dama Diwan]

NEXT:
sweet food, dessert, soemthing eaten after a meal

koos la qofo
sugar COM food
[kɞːs˩ la˩ ˈqɔ˩βɔ]
dessert, literally 'food with sugar'

sefekyud ci tbes macar qofo
meal GEN after TEMP food
[sɛβɛgˈjʉ˥˩ çi˩ t͡pœs ˈmaʝaɾ ˈqɔ˩βɔ]
dessert, literally 'food for after a meal'

EDIT:
Shoot, sorry Dama, didn't see yours!

Next:
mess, clutter, filth, squalor

It is fine Sucaeyl, I LOVED TO SEE your head-last construction, seems you have a good idea of Japanese or Turkic, so you will understand Dama syntax (others told me it's difficult. It is not strictly verb-final). What you say "mess, clutter, filth, squalor" is EXACTLY the Turkish proverb "nerde çokluk, orda bokluk". -luk is a suffix forming abstract nouns, English -ness, Dama WANO. çok=multitude, bok=shit, so bok-luk is a situation disgusting like shit, "where (there is too much) multitude, there (is) a shit-situation". To translate that to Dama rather literally, it would be "JEKAN WANO, JUWAN WANO" ("of many - situation, of filth - situation", but it is more descriptive to say: MIBA JEKO, MIBA JUWO "excessively many, excessively filth".

next: "addiction, to get addict".

[Soap]

next: "addiction, to get addict".

Poswa:
mompwa "addiction", from two old morphemes mom "happy, happiness" and puba "to draw, make a picture". Im not sure what I was thinking when I coined this word, but perhaps it has something to do with illiterate people drawing pictures, or pointing to pictures, of the things they desired so that other people would fetch those things for them.

The verb is generally formed by adding the passivizing suffix -m before the normal verb endings. Thus one could say

Mompwambabo potibemwop.
I am addicted to candy.
(Poswa generally omits pronouns in favor of double person-marking its verbs.)

Pabappa:
The setup is very similar here, though the word has undergone more sound changes and is now mompu. The verb is, here too, formed by adding the passivizing suffix -m before the normal verb endings. Thus one could say

Pom pobapap mompumpa.
I am addicted to candy.

next:

fence, barrier with windows to see through

[sucaeyl]

It is fine Sucaeyl, I LOVED TO SEE your head-last construction...

Thanks! I definitely took inspiration from Japanese when it comes to nominal syntax.

next:

fence, barrier with windows to see through

han

wall

ci

GEN

yoroj

above

gic

LOC

tesb

sky

la

COM

tata

3.REFL

[χɑn˩ çi˩ jɔˈɾɔ˥ ŋiç˩ tœs͡ɸ˩ la˩ ˈta˩da]
fence, literally, wall with sky above it

sivma

slat

ci

GEN

han

wall

[sḭʔ˨˦ma çi˩ χɑn˩ ]
fence, literally, wall of slats

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Next:
outside, outdoors

[hwhatting]

Next:
outside, outdoors

Tautisaca:
ustar "outside" (seen from inside), estar "oustside" (seen from outside); can be used as preposition and as Adverb (estar also means "except, without"); from PIE *uds-, eg'^h- "out" + suffix -ter.
Tautisca has no general word for "outdoors"; depending on the circumstances, one can use horré "in the courtyard / outside the house", waicé "in the village / neighbourhood", agrér "in the fields", uddar nessé "under the sky"; these expressions are also used where English would say "outside", e.g. pater horré wargít "father is working outside (= near the house)", caidinai uddar nessé borm "today we ate outside / outdoors".

Next: guest

[spanick]

Next: guest

naq̃qhmu /naɴχ.mu/ "guest" As in many cultures, guests are usually provided with food as a sign of hospitality and the sealing of a kind of unwritten guest right contract. Thus, the word derives from <nam-> "to eat" with a stative suffix <-qh-> and agentive suffix <-m->, ultimately from the root nVm "food, to eat, edible"

Next: woodworking, carpentry

[masako]

next: woodworking, carpentry

Kala: omyato - woodwork; carpentry

omya - to carve; to engrave; carving

-to - method of doing something; practice

This could also be tlenoto (tleno - log; piece of wood; timber).

next: political; politics; government

[spanick]

next: political; politics; government

huflahú'u /huf.la.huː.Ɂu/ "politics" from huf- "assembly" and -la- which creates nouns of location (literally: assembly-place) to form "court" plus -huː- which makes nouns of skill or ability (like English "-craft") so that the word means something like "court-craft"
huflahúi'u /huf.la.huːi.Ɂu "political" same as above with -i- to form an adjective
ba'linu /baɁ.li.nu/ "government" from ba'l- "to rule" and -in- which forms abstract nouns from verbs.


Next: copper

[hwhatting]

Next: copper

Three overlapping words:
ér "copper, brass, bronze; ore; metal" - cognate with English ore, applied on one hand to processed copper and items made of copper, on the other hand being the archaic and poetical word for copper, ore, and metals in general
raudun "copper, copper ore" - lit "the red (metal)", applied mostly to copper as an unworked material, the trade and craft term of miners and smiths
cuprun - from Latin cuprum, can mean both worked and unworked copper, term used by scientists and merchants, can also designate objects made from copper and copper coins / small change

Next: blood

[spanick]

Next: blood

sulkhu "blood" from the root sVlx- from which are also directly formed salkh "to bleed" and silkhu "bloody"

Next: shepherd