Sound Change Quickie Thread

[Zaarin]

Does β m / _# look reasonable?

[smii]

β m doesn't sound impossible, but β w or v or even just dropping it seems more probable to me (but I have trouble saying it words, so I would tend towards lenition)

[----]

seems fine to me

[Zaarin]

Thanks.

[jimydog000]

Can gemminates become ejectives? I asked DJP and he said probably but didn't know any examples. Then I did a little query search in the index dicronica, but to no avail there either.

[smii]

Again, seems OK: I tend subconsciously make geminates slightly more emphatic anyway.

[Frislander]

I'd say yes too. Mind you, there don't seem to be many ways of acquiring ejectives bar clusters with glottal stop or borrowing: I'd like to know if there are any other possible sources.

[smii]

I'd say yes too. Mind you, there don't seem to be many ways of acquiring ejectives bar clusters with glottal stop or borrowing: I'd like to know if there are any other possible sources.

I can't think of an example off the top of my head, but I think pharyngealized consonants have become ejectives.

[Frislander]

I'd say yes too. Mind you, there don't seem to be many ways of acquiring ejectives bar clusters with glottal stop or borrowing: I'd like to know if there are any other possible sources.

I can't think of an example off the top of my head, but I think pharyngealized consonants have become ejectives.

Are you sure you're not getting the Semitic change of ejective the wrong way round?

[Zaarin]

Can gemminates become ejectives? I asked DJP and he said probably but didn't know any examples. Then I did a little query search in the index dicronica, but to no avail there either.

I'm positive I've seen this change in a North American language, but unfortunately I can't tell you which one.

[smii]

Are you sure you're not getting the Semitic change of ejective the wrong way round?

Very possibly

[jimydog000]

I'm positive I've seen this change in a North American language, but unfortunately I can't tell you which one.

Please tell me when you remember where!

[Zaarin]

I'm positive I've seen this change in a North American language, but unfortunately I can't tell you which one.

Please tell me when you remember where!

If I remember or come across it again, I'll let you know.

[Daedolon]

How about this ?

əm ən ər əl >m̩ n̩ r̩ l̩/C_{C #}
əːm əːn əːr əːl >m̩ː n̩ː r̩ː l̩ː/C_{C #}

[Zaarin]

How about this ?

əm ən ər əl >m̩ n̩ r̩ l̩/C_{C #}
əːm əːn əːr əːl >m̩ː n̩ː r̩ː l̩ː/C_{C #}

That's essentially exactly how it works in English.

[Znex]

How about this ?

əm ən ər əl >m̩ n̩ r̩ l̩/C_{C #}
əːm əːn əːr əːl >m̩ː n̩ː r̩ː l̩ː/C_{C #}

That's essentially exactly how it works in English.

In some Englishes, mind you.

In my idiolect, /ər əl/ both become plain vowels: [ə~ɐ ʊ], though both /əm ən/ still become syllabic nasals.

[Porphyrogenitos]

What environments are likely to trigger changes in vowel height?

[Frislander]

Uvular and pharyngeal consonants. I think also unstressed vowels are probably susceptible to being lowered as well.

[Pogostick Man]

Nasals are prone to doing this.

[mèþru]

Unstressed vowels are prone to reduction, which brings them closer to somewhere about the center of the vowel space. For close vowels, this means lowering, but for open vowels, this actually means raising.

[StrangerCoug]

Is /ɨ̯/ /ɣ/ plausible?

[----]

Strictly speaking that's barely even a "change". Depending on how you're using the symbol /ɣ/ it's at most a matter of tongue raising.

[StrangerCoug]

I asked because I wanted something in line with /j w/ /ʒ v/.

[WeepingElf]

I asked because I wanted something in line with /j w/ /ʒ v/.

In that case it makes perfect sense, I think.

[Ketumak]

I'm looking to derive the co-articulates: kp͡ gb͡ ŋm͡ . Any suggestions as to how?

I was wondering kp etc. could simply become simultaneous or if a move from kʷ etc. would work.