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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 5:21 am 
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KathTheDragon wrote:
Ti inon moti Masako - motaḫ kana anəglən, inon lahatoś ceþa anəglən.
That's not what Masako said - he said that there are angles, not that it's made from angles.

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So is Cyrillic too angular for your taste?

nye ta ke omyo nayo ma'a atsim tayempe omo ka
Why do you think my opinion only concerns angles?


Din is the one that stated I have a preference for "angular" scripts, which I quickly demonstrated as inaccurate. I've posted/created/commented on dozens of scripts that were closer to Burmese than Cyrillic with regards to being "angular, yet all anyone seems to remember about me is "he's that square script dude." It's boring, really.

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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 4:23 pm 
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In Tormiott (Rockall):

Rah i pgagisnei. Thaitt: «Sauthialott no gismochi câiro tgâdo». Sa thaitt: «Sauthialott no o mon ni das gismochi câiro tgâdo». Gismochi coppa î sen lauro no cogsiagi i âdamo.
/ɾah i ˈpʕaʕɪsnəj | θɛat ˈsoːθjalət no ˈʕisməɕə ˈkɛaɾʊ ˈtʕɛaðʊ | sa θɛat ˈsoːθjalət no ʊ mon ni dɛs ˈʕisməɕə ˈkɛaɾʊ ˈtʕɛaðʊ | ˈʕisməɕə ˈkopːa ɪj sən ˈloʊrʊ no ˈkoʊɕaʕə i ˈɛaðamʊ/
now 2s make.wrong.assuption-2s. say-1s: think-DFC.1s COMPL like-2s script be.angular.3s. NEG.1s say-1s: think-DFC.1s COMPL ADV one and only like-2s script be.angular.3s. like-2s something COMPL NEG.3s mean.3s COMPL dislike.2s CLAS rest.
Now you're the one who is making a wrong assumption. I said: I thought you liked angular scripts. I didn't say: I thought you exclusively liked angular scripts. Liking something doesn't mean you dislike everything else.


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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 5:21 am 
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din wrote:
I didn't say: I thought you exclusively liked angular scripts.

ma na ke ta'itla kalayetle kuetik
And I didn't accuse you of saying this...

1) din: "Masako, I thought you liked angular scripts. Cyrillic is pretty angular."

2) masako: "Can you show me a script without angles? My primary script for Kala is Naua...a "not-really-blocky-or-squarish-at-all" script...so I'm unsure why this opinion of my aesthetics persists."

3) din: "Of course it has angles, but it is hardly angular." (of Burmese script)

4) masako: "Your definition of "angular" and mine differ greatly. Certainly, there is a spectrum...Cyrillic is much closer to angular than Burmese, but both have angles."

5) masako: "Din is the one that stated I have a preference for "angular" scripts, which I quickly demonstrated as inaccurate. I've posted/created/commented on dozens of scripts that were closer to Burmese than Cyrillic with regards to being "angular, yet all anyone seems to remember about me is "he's that square script dude." It's boring, really."

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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 2:09 pm 
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masako wrote:
"Din is the one that stated I have a preference for "angular" scripts, which I quickly demonstrated as inaccurate. I've posted/created/commented on dozens of scripts that were closer to Burmese than Cyrillic with regards to being "angular, yet all anyone seems to remember about me is "he's that square script dude." It's boring, really."


No cuân solo nor remahan. Sa thaitt no odgismochi câiro tgâdo. A sia thaitt no gismochi câiro tgâdo.
/ˈno kwɪn ˈsolʊ noɹ ˈɾəmahɪn | sa θɛat no ˈodʕɪsˌmoɕə ˈcɛaɾʊ ˈtʕɛaðʊ | a ɕa θɛat no ˈʕisməɕə ˈkɛaɾʊ ˈtʕɛaðʊ/
that there however also be.wrong.3s. NEG say-1s COMPL prefer-2s script be.angular.3s. 1s simply think-1s COMPL like-2s script be.angular.3s.
That's not right either, though. I didn't say that you preferred angular script. I just thought you liked them.



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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2017 6:57 pm 
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din wrote:
That's not right either, though. I didn't say that you preferred angular script. I just thought you liked them.

na ke ta kalaye unyanko
I understand what you said.

"You like quality X, so you should like item Y because it has much of quality X"
This implies preference for quality X.


din wrote:
(This conversation is pointless, of course, but it's good practice)

itanua niyanke ak yatli ke kalamyalo namyo kyahopa
This conversation is not pointless if we are able to practice our conlangs.

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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2017 7:30 pm 
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nye yoma ue'o kalanke ka
Why ten days without talking?

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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 6:37 am 
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raśa nanase wina. ʔəkna ʔaya na inonwin ḫuč arrənyiśen.
Who knows? It could be that nobody has anything they want to talk about.


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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 8:34 pm 
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pakatse
Seems foolish.

eya sa uampa yoti mpa'a ina ua kala keuapa
maybe SER politics sports movies food or language discuss-ABIL
Perhaps politics, sports, movies, food, or language can be discussed...



NB: I need help defining sa...is there any linguistic term for a particle that introduces a string of options, things that are all possible agents/patients?

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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 6:10 am 
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Mi me tok bo nof ting... Ova mi in af nof taym...
I can talk about many things... But I don't have enough time...


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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 2:15 pm 
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masako wrote:
pakatse
Seems foolish.

eya sa uampa yoti mpa'a ina ua kala keuapa
maybe SER politics sports movies food or language discuss-ABIL
Perhaps politics, sports, movies, food, or language can be discussed...



NB: I need help defining sa...is there any linguistic term for a particle that introduces a string of options, things that are all possible agents/patients?


In Tormiott (Rockall):

Cgai seddoi si t'a irin solo somat n' ascarhianar mie?
/ʔˁɛa ˈsədːʊj si ta ˈiɾɪn ˈsolʊ ˈnɛskaˌɹjɛnaɹ mjə/
be.able-2s teach-2s Q 1p view-PL over how 3s use-3s REFL
Can you tell us more about how it's used?

Your example makes it look like a preposition, but perhaps it can be used to mark a partitive construction?


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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 11:11 am 
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Mi set fi mek [v] gon an steda yus [b]. It a sen kos 1. swel de Jumikan [v] an [b] a konfon, an 2. Sajiwan fonoloji nof efek kos Spanyol, an dis da swel af dway ay pon difa twin [v] an [b].
I decided to remove [v] and use [b] instead. This makes sense since 1) Jamaican also confuses [v] and [b] and 2) Sajiwan phonology is heavily influenced by Spanish, which is also indifferent towards the distinction of [v] and [b].


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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 7:07 pm 
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din wrote:
Your example makes it look like a preposition, but perhaps it can be used to mark a partitive construction?

e, na'etla motlaye
Um, I tossed it.

nyasa
Thank you.

jal wrote:
I decided to remove <v> and use <b> instead.

tama
Good.

na pe ke ue nomoha
I like "b" more than "v".

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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 1:54 pm 
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masako wrote:
jal wrote:
I decided to remove <v> and use <b> instead.

tama
Good.

na pe ke ue nomoha
I like "b" more than "v".

Mi vuppulańńa lkëśśënem këlinirëttë.
I have both in my language.



Ispë teŋir svitte töörëńńë-nuń. Kalnataa molńak. Hekkinit gülülaśśa śviviśśivir.
The sky is white right now. The clouds are covering it. I can hear the birds singing.

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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 12:09 pm 
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Dē Graut Bʉr wrote:
I can hear the birds singing.

otla apuanke
Birds don't sing...

otomyampe
they only make noise...

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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 2:50 pm 
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masako wrote:
Dē Graut Bʉr wrote:
I can hear the birds singing.

otla apuanke
Birds don't sing...

otomyampe
they only make noise...


Sa nauardasta miccec tonon odair lioianta; da rah siachan scan siottônon
/sa ˈnowaɹˌdɛsta ˈmikːək ˈtonən ˈoðɛaɹ ˈjʊjɪnta | da ɾah ˈɕaxɪn skɛn ˈɕotːoʊnən/
NEG.1s describe-COND.1s chain tone-PL like noise; 3p if especially be.3p melodic.3p
I would not use the word 'noise' to describe a series of clear tones; especially if they are melodic.

Tînno o chan atti sius
/ˈtɪjnːʊ ʊˈxɛn ˈɛtːi sʏɥs/
unless ADV really hate-2s bird
Unless you really hate birds


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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2017 3:38 pm 
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Wan bah dem me sing byutifu song, oba oda bah dem me mek rom sem jonkwo.
Some birds may sing beautiful songs, but others may make a noise like a turkey vulture.


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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 2:49 pm 
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in Tormiott (Rockall):

Iathia sidirna ma no: Tohsim morratt sius î antar aiatrerar. Sodonor.
/ˈjɛθja ˈsiðɪɹna ma no | ˈtohsɪm ˈmorːɪt sʏɥs ij ˈɛntaɹ ˈɛjɪtɾəɾaɹ | ˈsoðənəɹ/
because speak-1p with that: today hear-1s bird REL make.a.sound-3s rattle-3s. Be-strange-3s
Speaking of which: Today I heard a bird that made a rattling sound. It was strange.


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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 6:12 am 
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din wrote:
I would not use the word 'noise' to describe a series of clear tones; especially if they are melodic.

uama ta ke yani te 'oto' unyak
Then you don't understand the meaning of "noise."

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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 10:37 am 
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masako wrote:
Then you don't understand the meaning of "noise."

“Noise” tak pew ñə̀, “noise” tak meirəwə ikaku ñə̀?
“Noise” as a loud sound or “noise” as white noise?

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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 2:33 pm 
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masako wrote:
din wrote:
I would not use the word 'noise' to describe a series of clear tones; especially if they are melodic.

uama ta ke yani te 'oto' unyak
Then you don't understand the meaning of "noise."


Sei lgatt amadonnoi ‹lioianta› tior ‹anta›
ˈsəj lʕɛt ˈamɪˌðonːʊj ˈjojɪnta tɕoɹ ˈɛnta
NEG-2s instead distinguish<IPFV>-2s 'noise' next.to 'a noise'
No, you are not making a distinction between 'noise' and 'a noise'


(why do we always end up discussing semantics in this thread?)


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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 3:48 pm 
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Pole, the wrote:
“Noise” as a loud sound or “noise” as white noise?

na mo'ak
I'm not being specific.

din wrote:
No, you are not making a distinction between 'noise' and 'a noise'

ta ke ipa omo ka
What do you think the difference is?

din wrote:
(why do we always end up discussing semantics in this thread?)

nye nam onyopao
'Cause we're nerds.

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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 10:07 am 
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masako wrote:
Dē Graut Bʉr wrote:
I can hear the birds singing.

otla apuanke
Birds don't sing...

Të lërkër. Śviviśśëtette gülülar kpotteittekë śpśaalaplaśśa moŋolattini.
Yes they do. Birds "śviviś" and the elders of my tribe "kpëttë".

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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 11:03 am 
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din wrote:
(why do we always end up discussing semantics in this thread?)

Kos samantis u nof mata wen yu mek langwic.
Because semantics are very important when you create a language.


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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 3:45 pm 
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masako wrote:
din wrote:
No, you are not making a distinction between 'noise' and 'a noise'

ta ke ipa omo ka
What do you think the difference is?


To me, 'noise' is necessarily unpleasant, whereas 'a noise' can just be a synonym for a (single) sound, although I suppose it's not that common to use it for nice sounds.

I could write this in my conlang, but it'd take a while, so I might come back to it later...

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Kõõđ? Hirre čüien; žööri fjouen fê kennen.
[kɨːɽ | hirə tʃyi̯ən | ʒø:ri fjou̯ən fe kən:ən]
What? Birds tweet; people talk and sing.

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