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Barru onaulonrainc cāllain sessong asquae, ouium fariachum vaϻnum veϻit, ouiumci unϻum quachtum asbarēt, ouiumci ϻumanrum pliavōch perot, barru sessungin rukāvas.
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/p b t d ts tʃ tɕ dʑ k g kʷ gʷ/ <p b t d c cz ć dz k g kł gł>
/f s z ʃ ʒ ɕ x~h/ <w s z sz ż ś ch>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ń ng/n>
/l ʎ r j w/ <l lj r j ł>
/a ə i u aː eː oː iː uː/ + nasality <a e i o á é ó y u> <ogonek>

/barru ənaːu̯lə̃raːi̯ŋk kaːllaːi̯n ɕəssəŋ askʷai̯ | au̯jũ farjaxũ waʒnũ wjəʒit | au̯jũki ũʒũ kʷaxtũ azbareːt | au̯jũki ʒumãrũ pʎawoːx pjərət | barru ɕəssuŋin rukaːwas/
Barro enáolęráink kálláin śesseng askłai, aojǫ warjachǫ łażnǫ łjeżit, aojǫki ǫżǫ kłachtǫ azbarét, aojǫki żomąrǫ pljałóch pjeret, Barro śessengin rokáłas.
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/p b t d ts tʃ tɕ dʑ k g kʷ gʷ/ <p b t d c č ć đ k g qu gu>
/f s z ʃ ʒ ɕ x~h/ <f s z š ž ś x>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ń ṅ>
/l ʎ r j w/ <l ľ r j v>
/a ə i u aː eː oː iː uː/ <e ə ь ъ a ė o i u> + tilde

Berrъ ənaulə̃raiṅk kallain śəssəṅ esquei, eujъ̃ ferjexъ̃ vežnъ̃ vjəžьt, eujъ̃kь ъ̃žъ̃ quextъ̃ ezberėt, eujъ̃kь žъmẽrъ̃ pľeuox pjərət, berrъ śəssъṅьn rukales.

or

Berrъ ənaulə̃raiṅk kallain śəssəṅ esquei, eujѫ ferjexѫ vežnѫ vjəžьt, eujѫkь ѫžѫ quextѫ ezberėt, eujѫkь žъmẽrѫ pľeuox pjərət, berrъ śəssъṅьn rukales.
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Proto-Pannonian again? Didn't you post it two months ago?

/p b t d ts tʃ tɕ dʑ k g kʷ gʷ/ <p b t d ts č tj dj k g kw gw>
/f s z ʃ ʒ ɕ x~h/ <f s z š ž sj h>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n nj ng>
/l ʎ r j w/ <l lj r j w>
/a ə i u aː eː oː iː uː/ + nasality <a e i u á é o í ú> <ą>
/ai̯ au̯ aːi̯ aːu̯ eːi̯ eːu̯ oːi̯ oːu̯/ + nasality <ai au ái áu éi éu oi ou> <ąi>

/barru ənaːu̯lə̃raːi̯ŋk kaːllaːi̯n ɕəssəŋ askʷai̯ | au̯jũ farjaxũ waʒnũ wjəʒit | au̯jũki ũʒũ kʷaxtũ azbareːt | au̯jũki ʒumãrũ pʎawoːx pjərət | barru ɕəssuŋin rukaːwas /

Barru enáulęráingk kálláin sjesseng askwai. Aujų farjahų wažnų wježit. Aujųki ųžų kwahtų azbarét. Aujųki žumąrų pljawoh pjeret. Barru sjessungin rukáwas.

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/p t k/
/m n/
/s ʃ x/
/w j/
/l/

/i u e o ə ä/

Aspiration as in English
Intervocalic voicing
/x/ is [h] before [ə ä]. It merges with /w/ in allophonic voicing.
/t n l/ become palatalised before /ʃ j i/
Consonants are rounded before /w/ (bilabials are already round)
ä/æ/[jie]_
ä/ɒ/w_
ä/ɑ/_[kx]C
ä/ɑ/_i
ə/ɵ/w_

C=snʃmtljwpkx
1=kptsʃmnx
2=snʃmtlpkx
3=ntklmp
W=wj
S=ʃs
V=aouieə
CV
CV2
CV3S
1WV
1WV2
V
1WV3S
V2
V3S

sj/ʃ/_
ə/i/j_
No gemination

Normal romanisation
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<p t k>
<m n>
<s š h>
<v j>
<l>
<i u e o ĕ a>
agefaqeg-style:
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<p t k>
<m n>
<s š h>
<w r>
<l>
<i u e o ê è>
ìtsanso, God In The Mountain, may our names inspire the deepest feelings of fear in urkos and all his ilk, for we have saved another man from his lies! I welcome back to the feast hall kal, who will never gamble again! May the eleven gods bless him!
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/t t͡s ʔ/
/ⁿb~m ⁿd~n ⁿd͡z~ɲ/
/ɓ ɗ/
/s/
/w ɾ/

/i e a o/ plus or minus nasalisation

The prenasalised stops are realised as nasals before nasal vowels.
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<t ts ɂ>
<m n z>
<b d>
<s>
<v r>

/i e a o/ <i e a o>
plus nasalisation <~>, so <o~m> is /õᵐb/ [õm]

agefaqeg-style:

<t ts>
<mb nd ṇdz>
<ḅ ḍ>
<s>
<w r>

/i e a o/ <i e a o>
/ĩ ẽ ã õ/ <ị ẹ ạ ọ>
ìtsanso, God In The Mountain, may our names inspire the deepest feelings of fear in urkos and all his ilk, for we have saved another man from his lies! I welcome back to the feast hall kal, who will never gamble again! May the eleven gods bless him!
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OK people, here is my phonology... help me to create an orthography...

6 Tones:

1. ma (high: 5, as in Mandarin Chinese "mā")
2. ma (low-falling: 3-1, as in Vietnamese "làm")
3. ma (high-falling 5-1, as in Mandarin Chinese "mà")
4. ma (high-falling-rising 4-2-4, similar to Southern Vietnamese "bả")
5. ma (creaky low-falling-rising tone 3-1-2, similar to Mandarin Chinese "mǎ")
6. ma (creaky low tone 2-1, similar to Vietnamese bạ)

I am not sure if the descriptions of the tones are accurate, so I provided a file for you in which I pronounce all 6 tones:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1ESOpYcmOgd

Consonants

Labial: p p' m w
Dental/Alveolar: t t' ð n ts tɬ s z ɬ l
Post-alveolar: tʃ tʃ' ʃ ʒ
Palatal: tɕ tɕ' ɲ
Velar: k k'
Uvular: χ ʁ
Glottal: ʔ

Vowels:

a æ: ɑ: - ɛ e:~eɪ - ɔ o: oʊ - i i: y: - ɯ ɯ: u: - ɝ: - aɪ aʊ iʊ ʊɪ


Maybe this is a kitchen sink phonology, but I want my conlang to have a consonant system that sounds like a mixture between Nahuatl, Lakhota and Polish, a vowel system that reminds you of a North Germanic language, phonotactics like in Hebrew and a tone system like in Chinese. :?

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/p p' m w/ <b p m w> or <p p' m w>
/t t' ð n ts tɬ s z ɬ l/ <d t dh n ts tl s z ll l> or <t t' d n c tɬ s z ɬ l>
/tʃ tʃ' ʃ ʒ/ <dj tx x j> or <ć ć' ś ź>
/tɕ tɕ' ɲ/ <dc tc nj> or <x x' ń>
/k k' χ ʁ ʔ/ <g k h r '> or <k k' h r ʔ>

/a æ: ɑ: ɛ e: eɪ ɔ o: oʊ i i: y: ɯ ɯ: u: ɝ: /
<a aa/ae ao/aa e ee ei o oo ou i ii y u uu uo rr> or
<a ā á e ē é o ō ó i ī í u ū ú ŕ>
/aɪ aʊ iʊ ʊɪ/
<ai au iu ui>

1. /ma˥/ <ma maa mao> or <ma mā má>
2. /ma˧˩/ <mà màa mào> or <mà mā̀ mȁ>
3. /ma˥˩/ <mâ mâa mâo> or <mâ mā̂ mấ>
4. /ma˦˨˦/ <mǎ mǎa mǎo> or <mä mǟ mä́>
5. /ma̰˧˩˨/ <mã mãa mão> or <mã mā̃ mã́>
6. /ma̰˨˩/ <mā māa māo> or <mạ mạ̄ mạ́>

No matter what you do with the vowels, if you want to mark tone, length and quality, it still looks awful. I would recommend (purely for the purposes of orthography) something like only having long tones in open syllables, and then the quality depending on stress, so that only tone is marked, because neither <tcr̄rtx> nor <x'ṛ́ć'> look particularly aesthetic...
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Plusquamperfect - That looks overloaded with features to the point where any orthography that's not massively defective or a con-script purpose-designed specifically for this lantuage isn't going to cut it. And as an aside, it does look kitchen-sinky to the point that many, myself included, would say that it's not particularly realistic or even plausible. I suggest cutting the weirdness in each feature down a bit - in particular, the vowel system and the tone system look like they're too big for each other, so I'd say that making the tone system a simpler register one a la Africa or reducing the vowel system to something less Germanic and more, say, Vietnamese is a good idea.

Anyway, here's my own conlang as of late:

Standard official version:
/p t t͡ʃ k ʔ/
/f s ʃ x h l/
/w~m r~n j~ɲ ɣ~ŋ/
/i u a ə iː uː aː ɛː ĩ ũ ã ə̃ ĩː ũː ãː ɛ̃ː/

All plosives are frequently realised as voiced in all positions unless in a cluster with any of the /f ʃ x h/. /s/ is realised as /z/ intervocalically and in a cluster with any of the sonorants (which include /ɣ/). /w r j ɣ/ are realised as nasals at the same POA before nasal vowels, and nasality spreads across sonorants and glottals in both directions from roots to their affixes and vice versa, but affixes belonging to other roots and other roots themselves, in compound words, stop its spread. The most common example of this is incorporated noun roots in verb phrases. Before /i/, /t/ becomes a very Ukrainian /tsʲ/, while /ʃ/, /s/ and /t͡ʃ/ merge into /ɕ/, /w/ becomes /β/ for most speakers and /h/ merges with /x/ into /xʲ/, which does make it opaque to nasal harmony. /l/ is light in onsets and dark in codas and when geminate.

High vowels are in free variation with their high-mid counterparts, with the latter being especially common word-finally. Long /a/ is frequently back /ɑ/ and in free variation with /ɔ/. Short high vowels are almost always more centralised and lax than their long counterparts. /ɛː/ is in free variation with /æː/. Nasal high vowels tend to lower even when long. All of this means that the vowel inventory of this language can be more narrowly described as [ɪ~e ʊ~o a ə iː~eː uː~oː ɑː~ɔː ɛː~æː ẽ õ ã ə̃ ẽː õː ɑ̃ː æ̃ː]

Syllable structure is (C)V(C), with consonant clusters being found only across the syllable boundary and in about 50% of cases turning into geminate consonants anyway, this full assimilation most prominently occurs before the nasal allophones of sonorants. /ʔ/ and /h/ never assimilate.

Vowel hiatus is disallowed, two non-schwa short vowels together form a diphthong or a long vowel, a schwa always elides adjacent to another vowel (with two schwas resulting in one short one), a long vowel and a short vowel together causes the elision of the short vowel and two long vowels together get a prosthetic glide between them, /w/ before /uː/ and /j/ in all other cases.

There are also several extant dialects with slightly different phonologies:

Conservative dialect:
/p t t͡ʃ k q/
/f s ʃ x ʁ l/
/w~m r~n j~ɲ ɣ~ŋ/
/i u a ə iː uː aː ɛː ɔː ĩ ũ ã ə̃ ĩː ũː ãː ɛ̃ː ɔ̃ː/
Here, the /a/ is always central and the uvulars lower the surrounding high vowels. In the standard version, the uvulars have debuccalised.

Non-prestigious rural dialect:
/p t k ʔ/
/f s ɕ χ h l/
/w~m r~n j~ɲ ɣ~ŋ/
/i u a ə iː uː aː ĩ ũ ã ə̃ ĩː ũː ãː/
Also the most advanced in terms of phonological processes. /ʃ/ and /t͡ʃ/ have completely merged into /ɕ/ in all envoronments and the vowel system is now fully symmetrical. What is completely different from the standard version is the shift from /ʁ/ to /χ/ with the subsequent /χ/-/x/ merger.

Safidi dialect:
/b t d d͡ʒ k g ʔ/
/f s z ʃ x h l/
/w~m r~n j~ɲ ɣ~ŋ/
/i u a ə iː uː aː ɛː ɔː ĩ ũ ã ə̃ ĩː ũː ãː ɛ̃ː ɔ̃ː/
The highly divergent and famous dialect of the prominent Egyptian Arab minority, with a functional voicing distinction.

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Pan-Orthography:
<p t c k q>
<f z s x r l (+rh?)>
<mh nh jh gh>
<i u a e ii uu aa ee oo>
<ĩ ũ ã ẽ ĩĩ ũũ ãã ẽẽ õõ>

Standard official version:
/p t t͡ʃ k ʔ/ <p t c k q>
/f s ʃ x h l/ <f z s x r l>
/w~m r~n j~ɲ ɣ~ŋ/ <mh nh jh gh>
/i u a ə iː uː aː ɛː/ <i u a e ii uu aa ee> (plus whatever oo became is spelled as such etymologically)
/ĩ ũ ã ə̃ ĩː ũː ãː ɛ̃ː/ <ĩ ũ ã ẽ ĩĩ ũũ ãã ẽẽ> (plus whatever õõ became is spelled as such etymologically)

Conservative dialect:
/p t t͡ʃ k q/ <p t c k q> (<< this is why the q for glottal stop, before anyone jumps me)
/f s ʃ x ʁ l/ <f z s x r l>
/w~m r~n j~ɲ ɣ~ŋ/ <mh nh jh gh>
/i u a ə iː uː aː ɛː ɔː/ <i u a e ii uu aa ee oo>
/ĩ ũ ã ə̃ ĩː ũː ãː ɛ̃ː ɔ̃ː/ <ĩ ũ ã ẽ ĩĩ ũũ ãã ẽẽ õõ>

Non-prestigious rural dialect:
/p t k ʔ/ <p t k q>
/f s ɕ χ h l/ <f z c/s r/x rh l> (wherever h comes from, if it is, as you say, not from the uvular, it's spelled as in other dialects, plus h after the consonant.)
/w~m r~n j~ɲ ɣ~ŋ/ <mh nh jh gh>
/i u a ə iː uː aː/ <i u a e ii/ee uu/oo aa>
/ĩ ũ ã ə̃ ĩː ũː ãː/ <ĩ ũ ã ẽ ĩĩ/ẽẽ ũũ/õõ ãã>

Safidi dialect:
/b t d d͡ʒ k g ʔ/ <p t t c k k q> (huh? Where does the voicing distinction come from? Assuming it's from nasal harmony, it's already indicated on the vowels, but could I have info pls?)
/f s z ʃ x h l/ <f z z s x h l>
/w~m r~n j~ɲ ɣ~ŋ/ <mh nh jh gh>
/i u a ə iː uː aː ɛː ɔː/ <i u a e ii uu aa ee oo>
/ĩ ũ ã ə̃ ĩː ũː ãː ɛ̃ː ɔ̃ː/ <ĩ ũ ã ẽ ĩĩ ũũ ãã ẽẽ õõ>

This is a really cool sounding lang!
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Thanks! The voicing distinction in the Safidi dialect comes straight from Classical and Egyptian Arabic loanwords, which comprise about half of the lexicon, as opposed to about a third in the standard language, and are almost never assimilated. So after the standard language went through the Great Merger (see below), Arabic influence in the Safidi dialect turned all palatal and bilabial plosives voiced and reintroduced /d/ and /g/.

Anyway, this is my own two takes on the romanisation, primarily intended to represent in-universe attempts to design, in the first case, a highly phonetic orthography for learners of the language who can't read the standard modified Arabic script and in the second case a more etymological official romanisation.

Learner's version:
/p t t͡ʃ k ʔ/  <p/b t/d/dz j/č k/g q>
/f s ʃ x h l/ <f s/z/š š x h l>
/w~m r~n j~ɲ ɣ~ŋ/ <m/w r/n y/ñ g/ng>
/i u a ə iː uː aː ɛː ĩ ũ ã ə̃ ĩː ũː ãː ɛ̃ː/ <i u a e ii uu aa ee in un an en iin uun aan een>
Reduced vowels and assimilated consonants are written, but marked with a dot above or below, so that, for example, a reduced schwa is <ė> and /fp/ [pː] is ⟨ḟpp⟩.

Official romanisation:
/p t t͡ʃ k ʔ/ <p t č k q>
/f s ʃ x h l/ <f s/z s/š/č ks/kš r/gr/rg l>
/w~m r~n j~ɲ ɣ~ŋ/ <w/m/b/v d/n j/gn/y g/ng>
/i u a ə iː uː aː ɛː ĩ ũ ã ə̃ ĩː ũː ãː ɛ̃ː/ <i/e u/o/ỳ a/è i/e/u/o/a ī/ē/ei ū/ō/ou/oi/ỳỳ ā/au/ai èè +n or m for nasality>

Yes the official romanisation is supposed to be a mess. I'd very much like it if somebody could give me something even worse, though.

And the reason why trying to be etymological results in such a mess is because of all the mergers: the vowel ones and the Great Consonant one, where sonorants became nasals before nasal vowels, then voiced stops became nasals in that environment and then the sonorants, the nasals and the voiced stops all merged into one series. And then /v/ became /w/ for good measure.

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Standard North Pannonian:

/p b t d ts (dz) tʃ (dʒ) tɕ (dʑ) k g/
/f s z ʃ ʒ ɕ x h/
/m n ɲ/
/l ʎ r v/
/ɛ a ɔ e ø ə o i y u/ + length
There are many diphthongs. /ɛ ɛɛ ɔ ɔɔ/ are often realized as [je ie wo uo], and schwa and ø may be merged.
Stress is phonemic.
Glottalization can appear in the onset and/or the rhyme of a syllable. In the onset, it's realized as standard consonant glottalization; in the rhyme, it's realized as a creaky low tone on the vowel. Onset and rhyme glottalization have different diachronic sources: onset glottalization is from geminate plosives or lack of a word-initial semivowel, and coda glottalization is from the collapse of the pitch accent system and usually only occurs in stressed syllables. There is a three-way contrast word-initially between glottal stops, /h/, and zero.

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Horrible Kitchen Sink Lang

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 n           ɲ    ŋ         ᵑǃ  ᵑǀ  ᵑǁ  ᵑǂ
ˀn          ˀɲ   ˀŋ        ˀᵑǃ ˀᵑǀ ˀᵑǁ ˀᵑǂ
 t  ts  tɬ  tʃ    k   q  ʔ   ǃ   ǀ   ǁ   ǂ
 tʼ tsʼ tɬʼ tʃʼ   kʼ  qʼ     ǃ'  ǀ'  ǁ'  ǂ'
 θ   s   ɬ   ʃ    x   χ  h    
 ð   z   ɮ   ʒ    ɣ   ʁ  ɦ    
             e ø  ɤ o      
             a      ɒ      
Syllables are CV only, clicks only appears in the beginning of words, vowels may be long and/or nasalized and they also fall into three tones.
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<n ni ng n nr nc nrl nf>
<hn hni hng nhr nhc nhrl nhf>
<t ts tl tj k q h r c rl f>
<d dz dl dy g qh hr hc hrl hf>
<çh s lh j x vh hv>
<ç z l y w v hh>
<e ui i u>
<a o>

<é e è> <e ee> <e em>

ˀᵑǀɒ̃˧ɬɤː˧ ˀᵑǁõ˥ŋõ˧ ǃ'ã˧ɲɤ˩ ǃɒ̃ː˧ʃɤ̃ː˧ kɒ̃ː˩ʁa˥ ǂɤ̃ː˩tɬoː˩ hãː˧tɬa˥ ʁõː˧tɬø̃ː˧ tɬʼaː˥ɦɤː˧ ᵑǀɤː˩ɦɤ˧ tʼɤː˧ɣɤ̃ː˥ ʔã˩ˀŋɒ̃ː˩ ᵑǁø̃˥θɤ̃˥
nhcomlhii nhrlúmngum hcoojiim kòòmvá fììmtlòò haamtlá voomtluuim dlááhhii ncììhhi diiwíím hàhngòòm nrlúimçhím
or
nhcǫlhi̛ nhrlų́ngų hcơji̛m kǫ̛̀vá fį̛̀tlờ hą̛tlá vǫ̛tluį̛ dlá̛hhi̛ ncì̛hhi di̛wį̛́ hàhngǫ̛̀ nrlúįçhį́
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Standard orthography:
/p b t d ts (dz) tʃ (dʒ) tɕ (dʑ) k g/ <p b t d c dz č dž ci~ć dź k g>
/f s z ʃ ʒ ɕ x h/ <f s z š ž si~ś ch h>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ni~ń ng>
/l ʎ r v j/ <l li~lj r v i~j>
/ɛ a ɔ e ø ə o i y u/ <ê a å e ö ë o i ü u>
stress and glottalization are unmarked, except for glottalization from geminates and final Pt clusters

kúji ˀóviʃ, kjáɕa ulnɔ́ˀ ni ɕə ˀis, ɕátʃɔŋ fiˀtʃ, hoi ʒi kyy vɔʒ váʒond hoi ki mjɔtʃ bɔɔ, hoi ki tʃímjɔn ˀutʃ bjaand. ˀóviʃ tu ɕətʃˀɛ́ma vɔˀtʃ: 'tʃeeˀ nˀutáá mɛ ɕátʃˀɔŋ ˀátʃond ɲˀɔɔˀ visəndɛ́. ɕə́ˀtʃu tu okánt: 'klug, ˀóvɛ, tʃeeˀ ga nˀutáá ˀoumɛ́ visəmmá. nˀee, paikš, ˀoi aa ulno ɕib kyrrotɕ nu gjənn jøss ɲitʃ ˀoi ulnáˀ ɕes.' tas tʃiʃlúú ˀóˀviʃ ˀátʃa buˀtʃ.
Kuji oviš, kiasia ulnå ni sië is, siačång fič, hoi ži küü våž važond hoi ki miåč båå, hoi ki čimiån uč biaand. Oviš tu siëččêma vočt: "čee nutaa mê siačång ačond niåå visëndê. Siëču tu okant: "Klug, ovê, čee ga nutaa oumê visëmma. Nee, paikš, oi aa ulno śib kürroć nu giënn jöss ńič oi ulna sies." Tas čišluu oviš ača bučč.

Germanoid: (and slightly more conservative; marks word-initial glottalization)
Kuji owisch, kjassja wulnå ni sje is, sjatschång fitsch, hoi zchi küh wåzch wazchond hoi ki mjåtsch båh, hoi ki tschimjån utsch bjahnd. Owisch tu sjetzschäma wotscht: "tschéh nutaa mä sjatschång atschond njåh wissendä. Sjetschu tu wokant: "Klug, owä, tschéh ga nutah oumä wisemma. Néh, paiksch, oi waa wulno sjib kürrotj nu gjenn jöss njitsch oi ulna sjes." Tas tschischluh owisch atscha butzsch.

Or:
Couyi auvich, kyachia voulnauh ni chie is, chiacong fitch, hauy ki cu myotch bo, hauy ki tchimyon outch byand. Auvich tou chiettchaima vottch: "Tchéh nouta mai chiatchong atchaund nyoh visendai. Chiettchou tou vaucant: "Cloug, auvai, tchéh ga nouta oümai visemma. Né, païkch, auy va voulnau chyib currautj nou gyenn yeuss nyitch auy voulnah sjes. Tas tchichlou auvich atcha bouttch.
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/p b t d ts (dz) tʃ (dʒ) tɕ (dʑ) k g/ <p b t d c dz č dž ć dź k g>
/f s z ʃ ʒ ɕ x h/ <f s z š ž ś ch h>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ň ng>
/l ʎ r v j/ <l ľ r v j>

/ɛ a ɔ e ø ə o i y u/ <e a o e̬ ö ə o̬ i ü u>
+ length <V́>
There are many diphthongs. /ɛ ɛɛ ɔ ɔɔ/ are often realized as [je ie wo uo], and schwa and ø may be merged.
Stress is phonemic. <V̲>, unmarked at the first syllable
Glottalization can appear in the onset and/or the rhyme of a syllable. In the onset, it's realized as standard consonant glottalization <C̣V> <·V>, word-initial absence of glottalization <ʰV>; in the rhyme, it's realized as a creaky low tone on the vowel <V̀, V̂>. Onset and rhyme glottalization have different diachronic sources: onset glottalization is from geminate plosives or lack of a word-initial semivowel, and coda glottalization is from the collapse of the pitch accent system and usually only occurs in stressed syllables. There is a three-way contrast word-initially between glottal stops, /h/, and zero.

kúji ˀóviʃ, kjáɕa ulnɔ́ˀ ni ɕə ˀis, ɕátʃɔŋ fiˀtʃ, hoi ʒi kyy vɔʒ váʒond hoi ki mjɔtʃ bɔɔ, hoi ki tʃímjɔn ˀutʃ bjaand. ˀóviʃ tu ɕətʃˀɛ́ma vɔˀtʃ: 'tʃeeˀ nˀutáá mɛ ɕátʃˀɔŋ ˀátʃond ɲˀɔɔˀ visəndɛ́. ɕə́ˀtʃu tu okánt: 'klug, ˀóvɛ, tʃeeˀ ga nˀutáá ˀoumɛ́ visəmmá. nˀee, paikʃ, ˀoi aa ulno ɕib kyrrotɕ nu gjənn jøss ɲitʃ ˀoi ulnáˀ ɕes.' tas tʃiʃlúú ˀóˀviʃ ˀátʃa buˀtʃ.

Kuji o̬viš, kjaśa ʰulnò̱ ni śə is, śačong fìč, ho̬i ži kǘ vož važo̬nd ho̬i ki mjoč bó, ho̬i ki čimjon uč bjánd. O̬viš tu śəč̣é̱ma vòč: "Čê̬ ṇutá̱ me śač̣ong ačond ṇ̌ô visənde̱". Śə̀ču tu ʰo̬ka̱nt: 'Klug, o̬ve, čê̬ ge ṇutá̱ o̬ume̱ visəmma̱. Ṇê̬, paikš, o̬i á ʰulno̬ śib kürro̬ć nu gjənn jöss ňič o̬i ʰulnà̱ śe̬s." Tas čišlú̱ ò̬viš ača bùč.

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p pʼ pʰ pˁ p:
t̪ t̪ʼ t̪ʰ t̪ˁ t̪:
t tʼ tʰ tˁ t:
ʈ ʈʼ ʈʰ ʈˁ ʈ:
c cʼ cʰ cˁ c:
k kʼ kʰ kˁ k:
q qʼ qʰ qˁ q:
ʙ̥ ʙ̥ʼ ʙ̥ʰ ʙ̥ˁ ʙ̥:
r̥ r̥ʼ r̥ʰ r̥ˁ r̥:
ʜ ʜʼ ʜʰ ʜˁ ʜ:
x xʼ xʰ xˁ x:
ꭓ ꭓʼ ꭓʰ ꭓˁ ꭓ:
k͡p k͡pʼ k͡pʰ k͡pˁ k͡p:
t͡p t͡pʼ t͡pʰ t͡pˁ t͡p:
k͜x k͜xʼ k͜xʰ k͜xˁ k͜x:
q͜χ q͜χʼ q͜χʰ q͜χˁ q͜χ:
ʔ ʡ

Everything can cluster with anything and everything.
Everything can be vocalic
Syllable Structure (C5)V(V)(C5)

This is designed to be a true challenge :evil:

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p pʼ pʰ pˁ p:
t̪ t̪ʼ t̪ʰ t̪ˁ t̪:
t tʼ tʰ tˁ t:
ʈ ʈʼ ʈʰ ʈˁ ʈ:
c cʼ cʰ cˁ c:
k kʼ kʰ kˁ k:
q qʼ qʰ qˁ q:
ʙ̥ ʙ̥ʼ ʙ̥ʰ ʙ̥ˁ ʙ̥:
r̥ r̥ʼ r̥ʰ r̥ˁ r̥:
ʜ ʜʼ ʜʰ ʜˁ ʜ:
x xʼ xʰ xˁ x:
ꭓ ꭓʼ ꭓʰ ꭓˁ ꭓ:
k͡p k͡pʼ k͡pʰ k͡pˁ k͡p:
t͡p t͡pʼ t͡pʰ t͡pˁ t͡p:
k͜x k͜xʼ k͜xʰ k͜xˁ k͜x:
q͜χ q͜χʼ q͜χʰ q͜χˁ q͜χ:
ʔ ʡ

Everything can cluster with anything and everything.
Everything can be vocalic
Syllable Structure (C5)V(V)(C5)

This is designed to be a true challenge :evil:

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p pʼ pʰ pˁ p:
t̪ t̪ʼ t̪ʰ t̪ˁ t̪:
t tʼ tʰ tˁ t:
ʈ ʈʼ ʈʰ ʈˁ ʈ:
c cʼ cʰ cˁ c:
k kʼ kʰ kˁ k:
q qʼ qʰ qˁ q:
ʙ̥ ʙ̥ʼ ʙ̥ʰ ʙ̥ˁ ʙ̥:
r̥ r̥ʼ r̥ʰ r̥ˁ r̥:
ʜ ʜʼ ʜʰ ʜˁ ʜ:
x xʼ xʰ xˁ x:
ꭓ ꭓʼ ꭓʰ ꭓˁ ꭓ:
k͡p k͡pʼ k͡pʰ k͡pˁ k͡p:
t͡p t͡pʼ t͡pʰ t͡pˁ t͡p:
k͜x k͜xʼ k͜xʰ k͜xˁ k͜x:
q͜χ q͜χʼ q͜χʰ q͜χˁ q͜χ:
ʔ ʡ

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Everything can be vocalic
Syllable Structure (C5)V(V)(C5)

This is designed to be a true challenge :evil:

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Is there no vowel at all, Dyaego?

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Whoops, wrong person, I mean GamerGeek

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I could need some help with Romanization of my currrent project. Nothing too fancy, but I want it to be aesthetically pleasing.

/m n/
/p p' t t' c c' k k' kw kw' ʔ/
/ts ts'/
/t͡ɬ/
/θ s ʃ x h ħ/
/ʋ~w/
/ɾ r r:/ (no typo, they are indeed contrastive)
/l~ɬ j/

/i y u/
/ɨ/
/e ə/
/a~ɑ/

Rules:
  • - no umlauts
    - digraphs are encouraged, trigraphs prohibited
    - no <th> for /θ/
    - diacritis are encouraged in a certain degree, don't let them be too fancy
    - apostrophe for ejective would be fine, but other solutions are welcome too

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/p p' t t' c c' k k' kw kw' ʔ/ <p px t tx ť ťx k kx q qx ɂ>
/m n/ <m n>
/ɾ r r:/ <d r rr>
/θ s ʃ x ħ h/ <þ s š x xh h>
/ts ts'/ <c cx>
/t͡ɬ/ <tl>
/ʋ~w j/ <v j>
/l~ɬ j/ <l j>

/i y ɨ u/ <i y ɨ u>
/e ə/ <e ĕ>
/a~ɑ/ <a>
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