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 Post subject: Proto-Laqar
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:19 pm 
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As I was not finding working on a North Germanic language to be sufficiently interesting, I started a new project, Laqar, for which I am currently working on a proto-language, Proto-Laqar, or shall we say, ˈlæːqʰæɾ. (Sorry, there is currently no usual romanization for Proto-Laqar, so it is written in IPA.)

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 Post subject: Re: Proto-Laqar
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:33 pm 
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I like the phonology.

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Aspirated consonats lose aspiration before other aspirated consonants.
By this do you mean allophony or sandhi? That is, does /pʰ/ shift to [p] or to [b] (or something else)? Im guessing allophony based on how you spell the words. But I guess Im still curious, when you say "before other aspirated consonants" do you mean only when theyre directly adjacent, or does it also apply across a vowel in the manner of Grassmann's Law?

Are there any forbidden consonant sequences other than those involving the glottal stop? I would suggest a rule against /qk/ & /kq/, which I know exists in Inuit and probably most of the other Eskimo-Aleut languages. Perhaps also avoid voiced stop + /h/, unless that would simply change into a voiceless aspirate.

I just noticed the lack of plain velar fricatives, which I think is unusual given that you have uvulars (and labiovelars), but Im guessing you did this on purpose. Was there a historical sound shift youre imagining that peeled previously existing velar fricatives away towards the alveolopalatals and labiovelars?

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 Post subject: Re: Proto-Laqar
PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:52 pm 
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Soap wrote:
I like the phonology.

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Aspirated consonats lose aspiration before other aspirated consonants.
By this do you mean allophony or sandhi? That is, does /pʰ/ shift to [p] or to [b] (or something else)? Im guessing allophony based on how you spell the words. But I guess Im still curious, when you say "before other aspirated consonants" do you mean only when theyre directly adjacent, or does it also apply across a vowel in the manner of Grassmann's Law?

Aspirated consonants become unaspirated voiceless plosives when directly preceding an aspirated plosive; this occurs both word-internally and across word boundaries, so it is allophony and sandhi. This does not occur when aspirated consonants are separated by vowels.

Soap wrote:
Are there any forbidden consonant sequences other than those involving the glottal stop? I would suggest a rule against /qk/ & /kq/, which I know exists in Inuit and probably most of the other Eskimo-Aleut languages. Perhaps also avoid voiced stop + /h/, unless that would simply change into a voiceless aspirate.

I have added new rules pertaining to these.

Soap wrote:
I just noticed the lack of plain velar fricatives, which I think is unusual given that you have uvulars (and labiovelars), but Im guessing you did this on purpose. Was there a historical sound shift youre imagining that peeled previously existing velar fricatives away towards the alveolopalatals and labiovelars?

The real reason is that no contrast exists between velar and uvular fricatives; I just arbitrarily chose to represent them as uvular, because they are somewhat more likely to show up as such, but in reality they can go either way.

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Amuhawr jalla vowa vta hlakrhi hdm duthmi xaja.
Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro. Irdro.


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