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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:15 pm 
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yangfiretiger121 wrote:
Great! Would /ʃ͡ɹ̠̊˔/ or [ʃɹ̠̊˔] be the most likely outcome of <shr> since both components are voiceless post-alveolar fricatives?

I am not aware of postalveolar non-sibilant voiceless fricatives even existing (even though alveolar non-sibilant fricatives do exist), especially adjacent to a postaveolar sibilant voiceless fricative. If they did exist, I would expect the situation to be highly unstable, and to quickly turn into just [ʃː].

yangfiretiger121 wrote:
Which inventory layout below is correct for the coarticulations since they have their own IPA table?
(a)
/m n ɲ ŋ̊ n͡m/
etc, or
(b)
/m n ɲ ŋ̊/
...
/n͡m/
...

I do question why you have a single voiceless nasal with no matching voiced nasal rather than series of voiced nasals and a matching series of voiceless nasals.

Anyways, I would put that as:

/m n ɲ n͡m/
/ŋ̊/

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:08 pm 
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Generally, /ɹ̝̊ ɹ̠̊˔/ are only adjacent to /t s/. However, I pronounce [sɹ̝̊] as [ʃɹ̝̊] due to speaking English natively. As for the single voiceless nasal, Altrunians merged [nk ŋ~ŋ] (<nk ng>) before devoicing several consonants. Is /ŋ/ still valid after the devoicing? I figured they may devoice it because of the <k>, even though /m n/ survived the devoicing.

Sound progressions (noting that changed sounds are in red text)
Galactic Standard or prior
/→ɲ/
/→c/
/→ç/
/t͡ʃ→k/
/d͡ʒ→j/
Galactic Standard-to-Outsider
/→tɹ̝̊/
/c→t͡ʃ/
/→sɹ̝̊/
/ç→ʃ/
/j→ɟ/


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:29 am 
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Would /j→ɟ/ or /j→ʝ/ be more likely? I don't like the insertion of a /g/ phoneme where one never existed before (/ɟ/ sounds like <gy>).


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:28 am 
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yangfiretiger121 wrote:
Would /j→ɟ/ or /j→ʝ/ be more likely? I don't like the insertion of a /g/ phoneme where one never existed before (/ɟ/ sounds like <gy>).

/j→ʝ/, definitely, but it's hardly worth noting. In Swedish at least, and probably other Scandinavian languages as well, <j> is a [ʝ] not [j], but they sound almost identical anyway, and that's coming from a native speaker of both English and Swedish.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:03 pm 
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Got it.

What are likely outcomes for /r̥ʲ rʲ/, if any exist?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:13 pm 
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yangfiretiger121 wrote:
Got it.

What are likely outcomes for /r̥ʲ rʲ/, if any exist?

Historical /rʲ/ in Polish became modern Polish /ʐ/. This in turn can be devoiced to [ʂ].

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