There's a lot I wanted to reply to from the past several days of posts, so this will be kind of long and rambling. Sorry.
boy #12 wrote:Etou III's heir (name?) did not share his father's hatred of the Epuonim.
Gadein II or Etou IV, maybe?
boy #12 wrote:The absorption of Kasca and Buruja as client states (328) prompted some to emigrate those areas as well.
*Changes "ca 330" to "328" on timeline.*
zompist wrote:Legion wrote:Radius Solis wrote:
Also, I have little idea what the specifics of Etuge are. I'm not sure that has ever been gone into.
Etuge is the Huyfarah version of the Ntua religion created by Rory. There is a long description of its philosophical principles in the grammar of the Mûtsipa' language:
http://www.r0ry.co.uk/mutsipsa%27.html
Ayup. Once you get to Mûsaso you can stop reading.
The Fáralo were converted by followers of Sútupaj and didn't follow later developments.
But maybe the later developments could influence other groups, or reach Huyfarah much later? It might be interesting if some of the barbarian groups that invade later on followed a different form of Ntû'a, for instance.
Legion wrote:I found
this and
that back.
Oh, awesome. I've been curious about that. And its opening notes contain some info that we can add to our history! If I'm correlating the dates correctly, it gives the following:
ca -1600: Proto-Isles speakers begin migrating from mainland to islands
ca -1000: civilization emerges in islands (perhaps through contact with mainland civs?)
ca -100: rise of classical island cultures
This may have implications for when the Peninsular-speakers spread across the bay, since they're supposed to have been there before the Thoktunèhotà speakers arrived...
An unanswered question is where the Proto-Isles speakers originated from. My best guess is the continent to the southeast, where brandrinn's Zele is marked...?
Salmoneus wrote:At a rough estimate, I'd say Athale was 600-650 thousand square miles - around the level of Ukraine, Somalia, Botswana, CAR or Afghanistan.
Zhen Lin wrote:Hmm, that makes it somewhere between 100 BC and 50 BC Rome...
I wonder if we should make it somewhat larger at its peak. It should probably overlap some of Huyfarah's territory before or after that empire peaks; and maybe it could expand further into Tjakori and/or Hitatc territory...
Neat! I've made a list of potential partially-reconstructed Proto-Isthmus roots back-derived from this, which I'll post if anyone wants to see it. (It's full of variables for sounds that are the outcome of multiple possibilities, so it's not exactly pretty to look at).
Radius Solis wrote:I'd certainly envisioned the region having some shared areal features. It would be nifty if inflected prepositions were among them. But that would require Miwan languages use them (Naidda and Pencek are unlikely to borrow much from each other directly), and I hesitate to define anything else about Miw until Corumayas gets done providing a historical basis for them.
I haven't got far enough yet that there's any risk of contradicting something I've already done.
And I'm certainly open to suggestions. Are you thinking that some of these areal traits go way back, to the point of possibly being found in Ngauro too? (None of them are things I was-- so far-- thinking of including in Ngauro...)
My basic assumptions at this point are as follows:
-The Miwan dialects that Puoni and Pencek borrowed from are spoken during the first millenium YP.
-They're descendents of the language that Naidda borrowed from, which I've been calling "Old Miwan", and which is probably roughly contemporary with Faraghin and Ferajin as described by zompist and Radius (so ca. -1500-1000), or maybe a little later.
-The common ancestor of all Miwan languages, Proto-Miwan, is probably roughly contemporary with Proto-Isthmus, if we assume that the Miwan tribes expanded up the Eige
before the Ndak moved into Latsomo (so ca. -3000).
-Proto-Miwan is very closely related to Old Ngauro (also ca. -3000); perhaps they're rural and urban, or southern and northern, or upriver and delta varieties of a single dialect continuum.
-Proto-Eige valley is thus not too much before -3000. Perhaps -4000 at the earliest. Proto-Eige-Isthmus is maybe -5000 or -6000 then.
I'm debating whether it'd be worthwhile to comb the old Naidda lexicon for non-Ndak Ta derived words to try to find the borrowings from "Old Miwan". It seems like more trouble than it's probably worth, given that that version of Naidda is being scrapped anyway; on the other hand, it would be awfully nice to have more information on the Miwan family.