ConlangDictionary 0.3 - now phonology parsing is faster

Basilius · Post by **Basilius** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:58 pm

WMiller >

A program that can be used on websites would be really, really helpful!

I don't know of any convenient tool for presenting lexicons on the web.

Also, seeing how it goes, I'd pay special attention to converting stuff from other formats; then your software would definitely have its niche.

Herra Ratatoskr · Post by **Herra Ratatoskr** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:56 pm

Well, it seems that there is interest in my program. I will start a thread on it shortly.

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popisfizzy · Post by **popisfizzy** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:11 pm

WMiller wrote:So I guess I'll ask a) faiuwle how the program is coming, and b)the rest of the ZBB if they'd be interested in me posting about my planned dictionary program. It would be somewhat different from faiuwle's, in that it would be web based, powered by PHP and so be more something people could integrate into their website, so there might be room for both programs in the conlang community. Any interest?

Heh, I've been working on something similiar for a little bit, though I've barely touched it since August. I do intend on finishing mine at some point, though.

ekobor · Post by **ekobor** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:08 am

This is a pretty awesome program you've got going here. It took a while to learn how to do everything right, but I got it~

My only problem is this, I can't get it to import a .txt file with a list of words. I may have missed where you explained how, or maybe I was wrong in thinking it could do this?

faiuwle · Post by **faiuwle** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:56 pm

WMiller wrote:So I guess I'll ask a) faiuwle how the program is coming, and b)the rest of the ZBB if they'd be interested in me posting about my planned dictionary program. It would be somewhat different from faiuwle's, in that it would be web based, powered by PHP and so be more something people could integrate into their website, so there might be room for both programs in the conlang community. Any interest?

I've been a bit busy lately, but I'll definitely look over the features I'd planned for and try to get some work done on it over the Thanksgiving break - specifically, I think some of the I/O is next on the list.

As far as your web dictionary goes, I definitely have no plans to make this project web-based, so you wouldn't be stepping on my toes, if that's what you were worried about, and I can see that a web-based dictionary would be much more useful for some people. This is all open-source, too, so if you want you can even steal some of my code for your web app, as long as you credit it. If you want to make it able to read my program's XML files, that's cool with me too.

Anyone else who wants to make their dictionary program/etc. is similarly welcome to do whatever.

ekobor wrote:My only problem is this, I can't get it to import a .txt file with a list of words. I may have missed where you explained how, or maybe I was wrong in thinking it could do this?

That's part of the above-mentioned I/O stuff that still has to be implemented. I added the widgets so that I wouldn't have to fool around with the formatting later, but it doesn't actually work yet - unfortunately I got a bit sidetracked. I will try to get text-file I/O and maybe even Lexique Pro and/or XHTML I/O done (or at least started!) this week. I have two long, boring plane trips booked, so I should be able to get something done. The sheer amount they're charging for them is enough that I'd feel cheated if I didn't get any work done during them.

Also, since I only seem to get work done when someone kicks me into gear, feel free to post here demanding promised features if it's been a long time. I have this thread on notify, so I should get an email about it, as long as I keep up with my email, at any rate.

ETA: I forgot how quote tags work here.

Cedh · Post by **Cedh** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:02 pm

faiuwle wrote:Also, since I only seem to get work done when someone kicks me into gear, feel free to post here demanding promised features if it's been a long time. I have this thread on notify, so I should get an email about it, as long as I keep up with my email, at any rate.

In case you haven't read WMiller's dictionary software thread yet, a number of people (including myself) have posted suggestions for interesting features there.

faiuwle · Post by **faiuwle** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:41 pm

Ahh, I did miss that - saw the name and thought it was a conlang.

A lot of that is actually stuff I had in mind, or that I remember being mentioned in this thread.

dhok · Post by **dhok** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:44 am

Hey, why won't it take IPA? It turns IPA into boxes. And the computer can handle IPA, because I can write in it in Word...

Torco · Post by **Torco** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:06 am

Daquarious P. McFizzle wrote:Hey, why won't it take IPA? It turns IPA into boxes. And the computer can handle IPA, because I can write in it in Word...

It's the computer, hands down, coz both the win and the lin version supports IPA for me in at least 3 machines.

Also, since I only seem to get work done when someone kicks me into gear, feel free to post here demanding promised features if it's been a long time. I have this thread on notify, so I should get an email about it, as long as I keep up with my email, at any rate.

I don't want to be a bitch about it, but I'd love to get my dictionaries out ConlangDictionary and into, say, an openoffice spreadsheet or something... and I can't

dhok · Post by **dhok** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:12 am

Torco wrote:
Daquarious P. McFizzle wrote:Hey, why won't it take IPA? It turns IPA into boxes. And the computer can handle IPA, because I can write in it in Word...
It's the computer, hands down, coz both the win and the lin version supports IPA for me in at least 3 machines.

Also, since I only seem to get work done when someone kicks me into gear, feel free to post here demanding promised features if it's been a long time. I have this thread on notify, so I should get an email about it, as long as I keep up with my email, at any rate.
I don't want to be a bitch about it, but I'd love to get my dictionaries out ConlangDictionary and into, say, an openoffice spreadsheet or something... and I can't

So...what do I do?

Torco · Post by **Torco** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:35 pm

I dunno... reinstall? XD

dhok · Post by **dhok** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:19 pm

Torco wrote:I dunno... reinstall? XD

I've tried. I think, also, that it's been able to take IPA on that computer in the past, but I'm not sure.
Maybe there's something I can install so my computer can handle IPA?

Torco · Post by **Torco** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:25 pm

Daquarious P. McFizzle wrote:
Torco wrote:I dunno... reinstall? XD
I've tried. I think, also, that it's been able to take IPA on that computer in the past, but I'm not sure.
Maybe there's something I can install so my computer can handle IPA?

didn't you say it could?

Cedh · Post by **Cedh** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:54 pm

Daquarious P. McFizzle wrote:Hey, why won't it take IPA? It turns IPA into boxes. And the computer can handle IPA, because I can write in it in Word...

Sounds like the program isn't using a Unicode font, but Word is doing so.

faiuwle · Post by **faiuwle** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:00 pm

Hey, why won't it take IPA? It turns IPA into boxes. And the computer can handle IPA, because I can write in it in Word...

Yeah, this is sort of an unresolved issue, because I have no idea why it happens. I do think it's something to do with the OS (Windows), though - possibly its forcing Latin-1 onto program inputs by default or something. I remember having this problem myself with Windows (XP) but never figured out how to fix it because I don't really use it there. Qt documentation says all its widgets use Unicode, but I have had other Windows-related problems with Qt before. (Torco: did you set any special Windows settings regarding fonts/locale/language/etc.?) You could just use XSAMPA, if it doesn't bother you that much.

I don't want to be a bitch about it, but I'd love to get my dictionaries out ConlangDictionary and into, say, an openoffice spreadsheet or something... and I can't

Yeah, I actually have been working on it, and have gotten the save-wordlist-as-CSV feature working, but as of a couple days ago, the netbook with my code on it began having technical difficulties. I don't think anything really bad will really happen to the code, since it's an SSD and therefore pretty invincible (AIUI) but for the moment I can't start the computer. There will probably be a new version (same savefile) up after I get that sorted.

Torco · Post by **Torco** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:54 pm

It worked with IPA completely out of the box in two different boxes with windowsXP, plus the one at my office, which uses Win2k, I think. toll-OOTB.

Yeah, I actually have been working on it, and have gotten the save-wordlist-as-CSV feature working,

was is das?

faiuwle · Post by **faiuwle** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:02 pm

Basically, you give it a kind of regexp with forward slashes, e.g. "/w (/t, /s): /d" will get you a list that looks like
word1 (verb, transitive): defintion
word2 (noun, masculine): definition
etc. If you format it as strict CSV, e.g. "/w,"/t","/s","/d"" you can then load it into excel and it will look nice.

But, like I said, it depends on my computer getting itself fixed.

Torco · Post by **Torco** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:07 pm

*hopes faiuwle's box gets better*

faiuwle · Post by **faiuwle** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:45 pm

Ok, so I have another netbook, and the harddrive is going to get transplanted sometime tomorrow, and I'll be able to get back to work on this program the next day, probably.

The other major thing that's going to be new, other than I/O, is the ability to declare a free phonology that nevertheless obeys suprasegmental rules - basically, you'll be able to declare a syllable-level supra (for example) which is spelled with an apostrophe at the beginning of every syllable, and then use apostrophes to demarcate syllable boundaries even if you turn off phonotactics. Of course, you'd still have to reorganize the onset/peak/coda parts of the syllable (and I still have to make some modifications to the syllable-editing GUI to make that easier).

Qwynegold · Post by **Qwynegold** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:35 pm

faiuwle · Post by **faiuwle** » Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:48 am

Well, it turns out our smallest screwdriver is not small enough to unscrew the microscopic screws holding in the harddrive of the netbook, so we'll have to acquire a smaller one first.

Sorry. It will happen eventually, though.

Qwynegold · Post by **Qwynegold** » Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:36 am

heh lol

I know the feeling. I once found this über-retro wrist watch Nintendo in the attic, that I didn't even remember I had. The batteries need to be changed, but I don't have any screwdriver that's small enough to open the battery hatch. And I do have some itsy-bitsy screwdrivers.

Torco · Post by **Torco** » Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:39 am

that's screwed up!

-couldn't help to do a lousy pun, my apologies-

Bristel · Post by **Bristel** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:46 pm

Has someone created the makefile for Mac yet?

I'd do it myself, but I'm afraid that I don't know anything about programming.

faiuwle · Post by **faiuwle** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:28 pm

Not that I know of. You shouldn't have to know anything about programming to do it, though - I think it's just a matter of installing Qt, unzipping source files, and typing things into the command line.