The West Saxon Scratchpad (Formerly the West Saxon Thread)
- Herra Ratatoskr
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The revised vowels chapter is now up. Please feel free to comment, or point out any typos I've missed.
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I am Ratatosk, Norse Squirrel of Strife!
There are 10 types of people in this world:
-Those who understand binary
-Those who don't
Mater tua circeta ibat et pater tuus sambucorum olficiebat!
There are 10 types of people in this world:
-Those who understand binary
-Those who don't
Mater tua circeta ibat et pater tuus sambucorum olficiebat!
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The menu selections at the top of the page on your site don't work... I have to directly link to the pages or click on the bottom links...
This reminds me of the Valhalish conlang, except it is Anglo-Frisian instead of Norse.
But I bet you spent more time on this project, from what I've seen of it.
EDIT: Actually, none of the links seem to work, except if you know the direct address and type it into the browser search line.
I'm using Safari 5, but it was a problem for me before as well, using Safari 4.
I'll try using Chrome or Firefox to see if it works on those.
This reminds me of the Valhalish conlang, except it is Anglo-Frisian instead of Norse.
But I bet you spent more time on this project, from what I've seen of it.
EDIT: Actually, none of the links seem to work, except if you know the direct address and type it into the browser search line.
I'm using Safari 5, but it was a problem for me before as well, using Safari 4.
I'll try using Chrome or Firefox to see if it works on those.
[bɹ̠ˤʷɪs.təɫ]
Nōn quālibet inīquā cupiditāte illectus hoc agō
Yo te pongo en tu lugar...
Taisc mach Daró
Nōn quālibet inīquā cupiditāte illectus hoc agō
Yo te pongo en tu lugar...
Taisc mach Daró
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I'm sorry, I'm an absolute moron for not mentioning this earlier. I've not yet put in the link functionality in the menu yet; I was going to do it when I had more chapters up. I'm sorry for the confusion this gave you.
I am Ratatosk, Norse Squirrel of Strife!
There are 10 types of people in this world:
-Those who understand binary
-Those who don't
Mater tua circeta ibat et pater tuus sambucorum olficiebat!
There are 10 types of people in this world:
-Those who understand binary
-Those who don't
Mater tua circeta ibat et pater tuus sambucorum olficiebat!
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I understand. Don't worry.Herra Ratatoskr wrote:
I'm sorry, I'm an absolute moron for not mentioning this earlier. I've not yet put in the link functionality in the menu yet; I was going to do it when I had more chapters up. I'm sorry for the confusion this gave you.
From what I have seen, the rest of the chapters will be great.
[bɹ̠ˤʷɪs.təɫ]
Nōn quālibet inīquā cupiditāte illectus hoc agō
Yo te pongo en tu lugar...
Taisc mach Daró
Nōn quālibet inīquā cupiditāte illectus hoc agō
Yo te pongo en tu lugar...
Taisc mach Daró
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Okay, here's a real update.
I've migrated and updated some of the content I've got over to the web site. Here are the new pages (note, they are still works in progress).
Determiners
Nouns
Vowels
Pronouns
More will be coming soon (think finishing the incomplete pages, and adding adjectives, derivation, prepositions, and adverbs).
In the mean time, since I've reworked some of the stuff, I thought I'd give you a look at the evolution of the Middle West Saxon declension of the articles.
Definite Article:
About 1500 is when the first instances of the nominative being used for all cases shows up in the Witncester West Saxon.
Specific Article:
I've migrated and updated some of the content I've got over to the web site. Here are the new pages (note, they are still works in progress).
Determiners
Nouns
Vowels
Pronouns
More will be coming soon (think finishing the incomplete pages, and adding adjectives, derivation, prepositions, and adverbs).
In the mean time, since I've reworked some of the stuff, I thought I'd give you a look at the evolution of the Middle West Saxon declension of the articles.
Definite Article:
Code: Select all
Early (circa 1300)...
Masc Fem Neut Plur
Nom þe þeo þat þo
Acc þune þo þat þo
Gen þas þar þas þor
Dat þam þar þam þom
Later (circa 1450)...
Mas Fem Neut Plur
Nom de deo dat do
Acc dan do dat do
Gen das dar das dor
Dat dan dar dan don
Finally (circa 1600)...
Mas Fem Neut Plur
Com di dy dat do
Gen das dar das dor
Dat dan dar dan don
Specific Article:
Code: Select all
Circa 1350
Masc Fem Neut Plur
Nom a(n) an(e) a(n) su(m)
Acc an an(e) a(n) su(m)
Gen as ar as sur
Dat a(n/m) ar a(n/m) sum
I am Ratatosk, Norse Squirrel of Strife!
There are 10 types of people in this world:
-Those who understand binary
-Those who don't
Mater tua circeta ibat et pater tuus sambucorum olficiebat!
There are 10 types of people in this world:
-Those who understand binary
-Those who don't
Mater tua circeta ibat et pater tuus sambucorum olficiebat!
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One part of the revision was that þ shifts to d in pretonic syllables. For the most part þ still exists, mostly unchanged in non-function words.
I am Ratatosk, Norse Squirrel of Strife!
There are 10 types of people in this world:
-Those who understand binary
-Those who don't
Mater tua circeta ibat et pater tuus sambucorum olficiebat!
There are 10 types of people in this world:
-Those who understand binary
-Those who don't
Mater tua circeta ibat et pater tuus sambucorum olficiebat!
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I haven't updated it yet (and I haven't put in any links, to be honest). You can look at the orthography page on the old site, it shouldn't be too horribly out of date.Christoph Schrader wrote:Why does the link to the orthography not work?
I am Ratatosk, Norse Squirrel of Strife!
There are 10 types of people in this world:
-Those who understand binary
-Those who don't
Mater tua circeta ibat et pater tuus sambucorum olficiebat!
There are 10 types of people in this world:
-Those who understand binary
-Those who don't
Mater tua circeta ibat et pater tuus sambucorum olficiebat!
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Those are gone in the revised version of West Saxon, and originally represented [t+j] and [d+j] clusters that had, around 1700-1850 simplified to [ts] and [dz]. There are still palatalizations of t & d to ts and dz, but will probably be handled by ti+V and di+V, and are pronounced [tsi+V] and [dzi+V].
I am Ratatosk, Norse Squirrel of Strife!
There are 10 types of people in this world:
-Those who understand binary
-Those who don't
Mater tua circeta ibat et pater tuus sambucorum olficiebat!
There are 10 types of people in this world:
-Those who understand binary
-Those who don't
Mater tua circeta ibat et pater tuus sambucorum olficiebat!
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The chapter mentions that all diphthongs are falling -- what becomes of a sequence of unstressed i followed by another consonant? Is it somehow absorbed into the preceding sound, perhaps, or does the stress shift? Or would it simply be deleted altogether?
"Think only of the past as its remembrance gives you pleasure."
-Jane Austen, [i]Pride and Prejudice[/i]
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In careful speech it is still pronounced, and is in hiatus with the following vowel. In rapid speech, however, it is usually absorbed into the preceding consonant, palatalizing it.
Oh, and the Adjectival Morphology page is up (and it's a complete draft!). Like?
Oh, and how is the look of the webpage? I recall some displeasure with the look of the last version, and was wondering how people found this one.
Oh, and the Adjectival Morphology page is up (and it's a complete draft!). Like?
Oh, and how is the look of the webpage? I recall some displeasure with the look of the last version, and was wondering how people found this one.
I am Ratatosk, Norse Squirrel of Strife!
There are 10 types of people in this world:
-Those who understand binary
-Those who don't
Mater tua circeta ibat et pater tuus sambucorum olficiebat!
There are 10 types of people in this world:
-Those who understand binary
-Those who don't
Mater tua circeta ibat et pater tuus sambucorum olficiebat!
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The navigation up top has been added. Pages that exist and have links are now underlined. As stuff gets added, it will be added to the nav as I upload it.
Oh, and did you have any sample texts you'd like? And when you say "alongside German translations", do you mean texts in WS/English/German?
Oh, and did you have any sample texts you'd like? And when you say "alongside German translations", do you mean texts in WS/English/German?
I am Ratatosk, Norse Squirrel of Strife!
There are 10 types of people in this world:
-Those who understand binary
-Those who don't
Mater tua circeta ibat et pater tuus sambucorum olficiebat!
There are 10 types of people in this world:
-Those who understand binary
-Those who don't
Mater tua circeta ibat et pater tuus sambucorum olficiebat!
The page design looks good, very readable. I'm glad to see things coming together. The balance you strike between leveling and irregularity hits my aesthetic just right. I'm looking forward to seeing the sound changes.
Little stuff:
And the Adjectives section is listed twice under Morphology.
Little stuff:
there arethere is only two strong adjective forms
patterns-wa and -wo stems with distinct inflection pattern
comparablecomperable
And the Adjectives section is listed twice under Morphology.
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