Conlangery Podcast (Latest Ep: #94: Face and Politeness)

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ワクワクします。
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I think you got the wrong thread Bob; unless you're excited for the podcast?
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Hint: wakuwaku is an ideophone

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:o Do not try to sway us with an adorable seal!

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After recording this episode I started working on a new jokelang whose name is an ideophone -- Knæknæk.

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Because as usual people skip past my comments.

I'd love to join you all sometime :D
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Nannalu wrote:Because as usual people skip past my comments.

I'd love to join you all sometime :D
PM me or email the show and I'll talk to you about it. Our listenership is small enough I figure I can have anyone on at least once.
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Ollock wrote:
Nannalu wrote:Because as usual people skip past my comments.

I'd love to join you all sometime :D
PM me or email the show and I'll talk to you about it. Our listenership is small enough I figure I can have anyone on at least once.
Okay what do you want me to tell ye over PM?
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Voice sounds like a good topic. Active, passive, antipassive, middle, causative, reciprocal, etc. Then you have things like inverted, applicative, and circumstantial voices. Shenilar, now defunct, had active, antipassive, 4 applicatives, and 4 circumstantials. I wasn't insane enough to combine the applicatives and circumstantial, eww a verb marked only for locative and indirect object.

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Přemysl wrote:Voice sounds like a good topic. Active, passive, antipassive, middle, causative, reciprocal, etc. Then you have things like inverted, applicative, and circumstantial voices. Shenilar, now defunct, had active, antipassive, 4 applicatives, and 4 circumstantials. I wasn't insane enough to combine the applicatives and circumstantial, eww a verb marked only for locative and indirect object.
We're getting a lot of suggestions for grammatical voice. I think I'm going to have to add that to the schedule pretty soon.
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include applicatives if you do
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The grammar and dictionary for Okuna, reviewed on Conlangery #19, are now online: http://pearson.conlang.org/
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Thanks for correcting that name, but it's Tammet, not Temmet. :D
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Ideophones was a good episode.

I think my favorite ones have been the ones about weird little traits or subsystems of languages that are often neglected, like Kinship or Ideophones, where the tendency would be to ignore it or unthinkingly relex English. More so than when you tackle big, unavoidable topics like TAM (my favorite of those was the Aspect episode).

When you do a big complicated topic, like morphosyntactic alignment or grammatical voice, it might be better to break it out over several episodes.

But I'd nominate prepositions, positional language, the space-time metaphor, and instrumentals.

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And while we're suggesting more topics: how to do focus (even though it's an open research question IIRC) and prosody. Those are really hard to find good, detailed info on.

And while I'm posting, you forgot my favorite (reported) Japanese ideophone: muramura
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You could look at M.H. Klaiman's book about grammatical voice, to find the types of voice-systems.
Derived voice is one
Basic voice is one
Inverse/Direct voice is one
Salience or pragmatic voice is one (topical or focal; at least one language has both).

Also, consider voice-prominent languages like trigger languages.

And, consider applicative voice, circumstantial voice, dative movement, and dative applicatives.

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The problem with prosody is that we have no good way of discussing it.
As far as I know there's no good technical terminology to describe different kinds of prosody. I don't even think I've read a scientific paper on prosody.

It tends to get glossed over even though it is a very salient feature of any language.

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Ossicone wrote:The problem with prosody is that we have no good way of discussing it.
As far as I know there's no good technical terminology to describe different kinds of prosody. I don't even think I've read a scientific paper on prosody.

It tends to get glossed over even though it is a very salient feature of any language.
Bleh... that's what I was afraid of.

Come on linguists! Can't you make it easy on the conlangers?
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shikushiku is my favorite Japanese ideophone... it's the sound of tears or sobbing.
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TomHChappell wrote:You could look at M.H. Klaiman's book about grammatical voice, to find the types of voice-systems.
Derived voice is one
Basic voice is one
Inverse/Direct voice is one
Salience or pragmatic voice is one (topical or focal; at least one language has both).

Also, consider voice-prominent languages like trigger languages.

And, consider applicative voice, circumstantial voice, dative movement, and dative applicatives.
Tom, why don't you go on the show as a one time presenter for that episode? That is assuming they are looking for people, which of course they might not.

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I know some people have been waiting for this one: Conlangery #21: Poetry
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You guys are the cause I'm waiting eagerly for Monday evenings :P

Ayeri has a similar problem to Aeruyo (sp?). It's got lots of suffixes, so I decided that it'd be very boring to rely on rhyme. Alternating stress might be possible, but it's kinda hard I think. [shameless plug] I did a translation kinda thing of Ozymandias once that counts syllables, however. For my go at the LCC4 relay (PDF warning) I tried the same. It was quite fun not to try and cheat and just make up fitting words. [/shameless plug]

Also, Ollock, did you and/or William see my comment on Episode 20 regarding one former ZBBer's conlang with ideophones? That's the only one I'm aware of. Since William asked to be informed of conlangs with ideophones because they're so rare.

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Nooo! It's not downloading! And I can't tell if it's on your end or my end that the problem is! :(

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Sorry for the late post. We are still making these: Conlangery #22: Pronouns
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I'm on the next episode :D
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