Post your conlang's phonology

[Whimemsz]

Amuesha reportedly has /a e o/.

Yeah, Amuesha is the same language as Yanesha', which Avo mentioned.

However! Upper Chehalis seems to have only the vowel phonemes /e o a ə/. So there's another example.

[Wattmann]

Please shut the fuck up and crawl back into the shithole you came out of.
You can't have ejective nasals, nor that vowel system - it's impossible due to the human articulatory and auditory systems

You're a twat. I'm no friend of Chagen's but he did nothing to deserve that.

You're right about ejective nasals, but your comment about the vowel system is based on pure ignorance.

Wattmann has some never-ending feud against Chagen, which impels him to attack and/or try to bait Chagen every time the latter posts. That's the explanation for the dickishness here. It might be more bearable if Wattmann was ever right, but he rarely seems to be. Lesson: both Wattmann and Chagen should stop being dicks.

I'm simply repaying him - he's been a bastard to me far too many times, going as far as to call me a twat on two occasions when I have done nothing but call him wrong.
I admit I'm being a dick here, but I'm not going to go back on what I said to him - at least Helios was nice enough not to randomly splurt feces every time he posted

[Nortaneous]

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Also Abkhaz and Kabardian~Adyghe have no high vowels.

I don't know why NWC langs are analyzed like that. It makes sense for the ones that don't have /a:/, which is like one of them, but for the ones that do, /a: a @/ are apparently more like [a: @ 1]. And then you get allophony to produce pretty much a full vowel set.

[Wattmann]

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TROLOLOLOLO I apologised in a PM

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Also Abkhaz and Kabardian~Adyghe have no high vowels.

I don't know why NWC langs are analyzed like that. It makes sense for the ones that don't have /a:/, which is like one of them, but for the ones that do, /a: a @/ are apparently more like [a: @ 1]. And then you get allophony to produce pretty much a full vowel set.

I've read that for some speakers the allophony doesn't occur (i.e. /aw/ instead of [o]) but I'm definitely no expert on those languages.

I'm simply repaying him - he's been a bastard to me far too many times, going as far as to call me a twat on two occasions when I have done nothing but call him wrong.
I admit I'm being a dick here, but I'm not going to go back on what I said to him - at least Helios was nice enough not to randomly splurt feces every time he posted

Why are you bringing a completely unrelated member into this

[Wattmann]

I've read that for some speakers the allophony doesn't occur (i.e. /aw/ instead of [o]) but I'm definitely no expert on those languages.

I'm simply repaying him - he's been a bastard to me far too many times, going as far as to call me a twat on two occasions when I have done nothing but call him wrong.
I admit I'm being a dick here, but I'm not going to go back on what I said to him - at least Helios was nice enough not to randomly splurt feces every time he posted

Why are you bringing a completely unrelated member into this

I have been a dick to Chagen and Helios alike, but both Helios and I realised it is not productive
I'm simply comparing the situation.

[Astraios]

Wattmann, I know revenge is sweet, but enough is enough. Just ignore him.

[Wattmann]

Wattmann, I know revenge is sweet, but enough is enough. Just ignore him.

I just said that I have apologised - I don't want revengibetes

[Bachgen_Cymraeg]

Tehuelche is another example of a language with no high vowels, having just the vowels /e a o/.

[Whimemsz]

Yeah, Avo already mentioned it. So we're still left with only the same few examples (Tehuelche, Upper Chehalis, maybe Yanesha' and some Caucasian languages).

[Chagen]

The (nearly) finalized Adari phonology:

/p b t d c ɟ k g/
/f v s z θ ç x/
/ts dz/
/m n ɲ/
/ɾ r l/

/i e a o u y ø ɤ ɯ/
/ai̯ oi̯ aʊ̯ ay̯ oy̯/

Allophony:

/s z/ are frequently [ʃ ʒ] intervocally, especially before front vowels. Before /i/, /s z/ are ALWAYS [ʃ ʒ]

/ti di/ are realized as [tʃi dʒi]

/i/ before vowels is [j]. /u/ before vowels is [w].

/y/ before vowels is [ɥ]. /ɯ/ before vowels is [ɰ].

The distinction of /ɾ r/ is neutralized in the syllable onset. Both /ɾ r/ are realized as [r] when initial and when after a consonant.

Somewhat Italian with some very minor Japanese influence.

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Somewhat Italian with some very minor Japanese influence.

Then where'd all those crazy vowels come from?

[Whimemsz]

It looks fine. But, what about phonotactics etc.?

[Chagen]

The vowels stem from an ablaut system.

Basically, in Adari, /ç/ can only appear before front vowels, and /x/ can only appear before back vowels. The combination /ço/, for example cannot happen, but /xo/ can. Similarly, /çi/ can happen but not /xi/.

Now, if through inflection, /ço/ happens, the vowel will ablaut to a front vowel. In this case, it would be /e/. However, there's a interesting restriction in place: the new vowel must have the same roundedness of the old one. As /o/ is rounded, it ablauts to the also rounded /ø/.

Likewise, /xi/ would ablaut to /xɯ/ because /i/ and /ɯ/ are both un-rounded. Then, /çu/ ablauts to /çy/, and thus, a /çi çy/ distinction is born in the language.

Eventually this became phonemic. However, said ablaut still happens in the language.

(There's actually something else called "Ablaut priority", but it's not really related).

[Chagen]

It looks fine. But, what about phonotactics etc.?

Latin.

Really, Adari's phonotactics are nearly the exact same as Latin's. It has some differences, and I'm working them out right now, but it's still quite Latin-based.

[King of My Own Niche]

p pʲ b bʲ t tʲ d dʲ k kʲ g gʲ Ɂ
f fʲ v vʲ s sʲ z zʲ ʃ ʒ ç
w j r l
m n ŋ
ts tsʲ dz dzʲ tʃ dʒ

i u
e o
a

For my new conlang Gogdir. Palatalized consonants are allophonic to their un-palatalized versions, and only become so before /u/ /o/ and /a/. Glottal stops are required between vowels, but can't be in the onset.

I'll be posting a little about stress in the other thread.

[Chagen]

The finalized Ngith phonology:

Stops: /p pʰ t tʰ k kʰ/
Laterally released: /pˡ pʰˡ tˡ tʰˡ kˡ kʰˡ/

Fricatives: /f s ʂ θ ɬ h ɦ/
Laterally-released: /fˡ sˡ ʂˡ θˡ/

Ejectives: /p' t' k'/

Nasal: /m n ɳ ŋ/

Affricates: /ts tsʰ ʈʂ ʈʂʰ/
Laterally-released: /tsˡ tsʰˡ ʈʂˡ ʈʂʰˡ/

Approx.Misc: /l ɹ w ʋ j/

Vowels: /i e a o u ɔ ʊ ẽ ã õ/

Vowels can take low or high pitch/tone (undecided)

Phonotactics: (C)(l)V(n, m)(C)

All plosives, all fricatives (except ɬ), and all affricates can cluster with /l/. /Cl/ clusters are distinguished from laterally released consonants.


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It got a little boring around the vowels, I know. But I can't imagine making a conlang without the "basic five".

[Taernsietr]

It got a little boring around the vowels, I know. But I can't imagine making a conlang without the "basic five".

Uh... you can do all sorts of cool shit with even three vowels. Try nasalizing the [also basic] group /a i u/ and you have a realistic and, hells, fun system: /a i u ã ĩ ũ/. You could also use length: /a i u a: i: u:/ or a combination of both /a i u ã ĩ ũ a: i: u: ã: ĩ: ũ:/. If you feel three are too little, you could add a neutral vowel: /a i u ə/.

In the end, you'll simply forget to use all the phonemes anyway, when you have such a large inventory. I've found it mostly useful to start with a small inventory and add sounds I feel that could fit in nicely.

Also, this lateral-release based stuff overall feels funny. If you do want to have some many laterals, why not simply add /ʎ ʟ/?

[Chagen]

English has laterally-released consonants, for example, <cl> in "clang". They're just analyzed as a cluster. I got the idea from that, plus I can distinguish <Cˡ> and <Cl> clusters from each other with some effort.

why not simply add /ʎ ʟ/?

People have pointed out that I abuse palatals in my conlangs. So I made it my goal to use absolutely zero palatal obstruents in Ngith.

[sucaeyl]

People have pointed out that I abuse palatals in my conlangs. So I made it my goal to use absolutely zero palatal obstruents in Ngith.

/ʎ/ is not an obstruent, it's an approximant. The palatal lateral obstruents (i.e. fricatives) are /ʎ˔/ and/ ʎ̥˔/, voiced and voiceless respectively.

[Chagen]

Well then. I may add it, spelling it <y> while spelling /j/ as <j>.

[Lyktorna]

/i e a o u ɔ ʊ ẽ ã õ/ seems like a rather haphazard inventory. The main issue that there are more back vowels than front vowels, which violates a universal (EDIT) is unusual.

The nasals bother me as well, but as a feature they don't pattern nicely so I won't complain. (http://wals.info/chapter/10)

[Chaoibhuin]

Here's a phonology I'm considering for one of my unnamed conlangs:

Plosive: /t tˤ k kˤ/
Fricative: /s sˤ ħ h/
Nasal: /m mˤ n nˤ ŋ ŋˤ/
Lateral: /l lˤ/
Vowels: /i~e ə̃ a u~o/

/i~e/ and /u~o/ are and before non-pharyngeal(ized) consonants and are [e] and [o] before pharyngeal(ized) consonants. Plosives have weak aspiration word-initially, elsewhere unaspirated.

Word structure: monosyllabic: (C)VC; disyllabic: (C)V(C)CVC; trisyllabic: (C)V(C)CV(C)CVC.

I'm not confident that this phonology is naturalistic though. Is there anything about it that isn't naturalistic? Is it odd that the consonant inventory includes /m/ but has no bilabial plosives?

And by the way regarding the above post although the presence of more back vowels than front vowels in a natlang is unusual it is not unheard of, as Mongolian for example has four back vowels (/u ʊ o ɔ/) but just two front vowels (/i e/).

[Chagen]

/i e a o u ɔ ʊ ẽ ã õ/ seems like a rather haphazard inventory. The main issue that there are more back vowels than front vowels, which violates a universal (EDIT) is unusual.

The nasals bother me as well, but as a feature they don't pattern nicely so I won't complain. (http://wals.info/chapter/10)

The unbalanced nasals are explainable diachronically. Ngith used to just have /e a o/, with nasal variants of all three. /e o/ were , respectively, in closed syllables. Then those two became phonemic after some final consonants got dropped, and, as you might expect, there weren't any nasal variants.

/ɔ ʊ/ come from even later.

By the way, the vowel inventory of Ngith is now /i ɛ ɑ o ʉ ɔ ʊ/ (/u/ got fronted to /ʉ/ to further seperate it from /ʊ/ and /e/ backed in response) but my diachronics still apply.

[Wattmann]

/i e a o u ɔ ʊ ẽ ã õ/ seems like a rather haphazard inventory. The main issue that there are more back vowels than front vowels, which violates a universal (EDIT) is unusual.

The nasals bother me as well, but as a feature they don't pattern nicely so I won't complain. (http://wals.info/chapter/10)

The unbalanced nasals are explainable diachronically. Ngith used to just have /e a o/, with nasal variants of all three. /e o/ were , respectively, in closed syllables. Then those two became phonemic after some final consonants got dropped, and, as you might expect, there weren't any nasal variants.

/ɔ ʊ/ come from even later.

By the way, the vowel inventory of Ngith is now /i ɛ ɑ o ʉ ɔ ʊ/ (/u/ got fronted to /ʉ/ to further seperate it from /ʊ/ and /e/ backed in response) but my diachronics still apply.

Note that /ɛ/ is not the backed version of /e/