Akana Conlang Relay 2011 (The Never Ending Relay)

[L'alphabētarium]

Nope, not doing. It's better the way it was before. And you're requesting entry into something you didn't start. You can't just go around declaring things, that's rude and unwanted.

Oh shut up! When I said "I'm in" it was before clear teams were created. I assumed everyone who chose a team was in that team. See? No supervision creates chaos!!

[communistplot]

Like I said, don't be rude. The teams had already been agreed on. and at least most folks agreed to it being only 6 people per team. You can't just dictate terms without consensus, this is a collaborative project after all.

[L'alphabētarium]

Like I said, don't be rude. The teams had already been agreed on. and at least most folks agreed to it being only 6 people per team. You can't just dictate terms without consensus, this is a collaborative project after all.

I proposed, I didn't dictate!. No-one has to follow my proposal.
And cutting anyone out of this without him/her knowing or understanding is faaar more rude!

[communistplot]

Like I said, don't be rude. The teams had already been agreed on. and at least most folks agreed to it being only 6 people per team. You can't just dictate terms without consensus, this is a collaborative project after all.

I proposed, I didn't dictate!. No-one has to follow my proposal.
And cutting anyone out of this without him/her knowing or understanding is faaar more rude!

When did I cut anyone out? Just assking. I only showed the original team list to clarify any confusion people may have had.

[L'alphabētarium]

The teams had already been agreed on...

^^^ That's when! ^^^

You know what... nevermind! It's too messy and unorganised for me to deal with...
I'm out (for good)! I'm not crazy about the phonology to begin with...

[treskro]

I'm still in, and waiting on morphology/orthography for Team 1.

[Pogostick Man]

How about we just do two new phonologies?

[communistplot]

How about we just do two new phonologies?

I'm down with that and this time we should PM them to team members.

[Pogostick Man]

Last post is posted way later than intended due to phone-posting failure and I ain't about to wrestle with trying to edit it.

I am truly sorry for the carnival of failure I have instigated. I'm still willing to participate if something can be figured out. I'd support two new phonologies at this point because of all the problems that using the previous two would present—I screwed up royally for one. I'd also advise against posting everything publically.

[Earthling]

So if I have this straight, the teams are back to this...

Team 1: Caleone, Rorschach, cedh audmanh, Earthling, Dhokarena, treskro
Team 2: Darkgamma, the duke of nuke, caedes, brandrinn, Basilius, (empty slot)

I've lost track with people coming and going...

[communistplot]

I'll come up with a temp new phonology for team 1 if everyone agrees. I have a couple ideas in mind. If Dhoky still wants to do the finall product though, he/she can.

[the duke of nuke]

I'd support two new phonologies at this point because of all the problems that using the previous two would present—I screwed up royally for one. I'd also advise against posting everything publically.

I agree wholeheartedly. And while there's nothing wrong with being inventive, I do feel that darkgamma's outline had enough really strange features to require major changes - which is a bit unfortunate, because it had some rather nice ones too. Let's get a new phonology, and keep it in PMs.

Team 1: Caleone, Rorschach, cedh audmanh, Earthling, Dhokarena, treskro
Team 2: Darkgamma, the duke of nuke, caedes, brandrinn, Basilius, (empty slot)

I think that's right.


As for placing teams, the islands are currently reserved for development, but most of the mainland is good. I'd favour somewhere along the south coast as Cedh suggests, with the other team being in the mountains - everyone on Team 2, are you ok with taking the mountainous spot in the SE?

[brandrinn]

New phonologies for everyone. Less drama as well, please.

As for starting positions, I think the best options are:
In the mountains near the base of the peninsula.
In the mountains further northwest of the first place.
In the foothills above the major river valley west of the mountains.
On the south coast where the river(s) empty into a small bay.

I assume the "Great Bay" is the bay to the northeast of the peninsula, and that it is already claimed by the "Anatolionesians" in Akana lore. And the islands are taken. Remember, starting positions need not be the final location of even a single language in that language family. I'm up for whatever, so if Team 2 starts in the mountains, that's fine. We might just invade your fancy coasts and rivers anyway, who knows?

[communistplot]

Sent new phonology to team 1.

[brandrinn]

Darkgamma, I thought you were going to send us a new phonology? the one I got was the same one from before. This is problematic, because
a) it is on display in this thread giving an incentive to cheat, and
b) it is stunningly horrible.
Please send out a new phonology by PM (preferably before the next grammar update). If you'd prefer, I could write up a less insane one for you.

[the duke of nuke]

New phonologies for everyone. Less drama as well, please.

As for starting positions, I think the best options are:
In the mountains near the base of the peninsula.
In the mountains further northwest of the first place.
In the foothills above the major river valley west of the mountains.
On the south coast where the river(s) empty into a small bay.

I assume the "Great Bay" is the bay to the northeast of the peninsula, and that it is already claimed by the "Anatolionesians" in Akana lore. And the islands are taken. Remember, starting positions need not be the final location of even a single language in that language family. I'm up for whatever, so if Team 2 starts in the mountains, that's fine. We might just invade your fancy coasts and rivers anyway, who knows?

The Great Bay is indeed to the NE of the peninsula, but there are no issues that I'm aware of with placing languages there. If we have a relay starting any time after the year -2500, the Anatolionesians will have mostly packed up and left for the islands already (the idea is that the family more or less diappears on the mainland after that point) - perhaps the expansion of one of the families from this relay could be the cause of their migration. If it does become relevant, there is a short PAnat lexicon on the wiki, which people should feel free to borrow from where appropriate.

We also want plenty of space for the families to grow. In fact, why not have one family in the Great Bay area and the other on the south coast, across the mountains? That then allows for contact but also prevents too much encroaching on each others' areas.

Also, shall we go with a time period of -2000 to 0, simply since that worked for the previous relay?

[WeepingElf]

I am offering not only to rejoin Team 2, but also to provide a new protolang.

[brandrinn]

A time period of -2000 to 0 seems good to me. If the Anatolionesians have disappeared by then, then it probably won't be any of our proto languages that pushed them out, since we're starting a few centuries later, possibly in a completely different location. But it's still the Anatolionesians who bequethed agriculture to this part of the continent (and presumably metal working as well), so I would expect the more primitive people to their west to ape them somewhat in the trappings of civilization. It would be useful to know, for example, what Anatolionesian architecture, religion, technology, and art looked like. If Team 2 starts in -2000 just to the southwest of the Great Bay, then we will have acquired a lot of technology directly from them.

Also, I'd like to know what crops and animals are known at this stage in Eastern Tuysafa. The wiki doesn't seem to say. I know the Proto Isles crop package was pretty much your standard southwest Asia founder package. Maybe with the Great Bay we should get more creative? Maybe take a page from the Hopewell or early Chinese playbooks.

Also, has Team 1 figured out where they're going to be located yet? I think our team has decided, but I don't know about them.

Lastly, I want to apologize to Darkgamma for calling your phonology horrible. It's not horrible, it's just not going to work for us. I didn't mean to discourage you, and I hope you'll keep contributing to the project.

[Herr Dunkel]

Lastly, I want to apologize to Darkgamma for calling your phonology horrible. It's not horrible, it's just not going to work for us. I didn't mean to discourage you, and I hope you'll keep contributing to the project.

It's ok. I might've been too creative.
I'll do another one.

[brandrinn]

Lastly, I want to apologize to Darkgamma for calling your phonology horrible. It's not horrible, it's just not going to work for us. I didn't mean to discourage you, and I hope you'll keep contributing to the project.

It's ok. I might've been too creative.
I'll do another one.

OK. WeepingElf sent one around via PM. If you both make protolanguages, we can have a quick vote on which one to go with.

[Herr Dunkel]

Lastly, I want to apologize to Darkgamma for calling your phonology horrible. It's not horrible, it's just not going to work for us. I didn't mean to discourage you, and I hope you'll keep contributing to the project.

It's ok. I might've been too creative.
I'll do another one.

OK. WeepingElf sent one around via PM. If you both make protolanguages, we can have a quick vote on which one to go with.

My thoughts exactly

[brandrinn]

What is Team 1's starting location?

[Cedh]

I'd suggest that we (Team 1) start "in the foothills above the major river valley west of the mountains". That would give something like the following map for the two protolanguages:

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[brandrinn]

Works for me. Alright, everybody, start picking nice spots. Where will your people be after 2000 years?
Here's what I'd like to do with my own group. They cross the mountains to the south coast, staying mostly along the hills and mountains along the way.
At -2000:


At -1000:


At 0:


What do you think? If I'm blocking anyone's path, there are a few places you can squeeze by me.

[the duke of nuke]

Quite happy with the locations described so far. I'd like to go for the small alluvial plains on the south coast of the Great Bay (i.e. straight across the mountains, NE from brandrinn's location).

In case it proves useful, I made a post a while ago compiling the information we have on Tuysáfa's climate. The areas we're working in will mostly be those I've labelled 11 (inland plains), 12 (Great Bay), 14 (south coast), and 15 (mountainous peninsula in the SE).
Mostly the areas are warm continental to subtropical. Expect hurricanes!