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Ean wrote:Wolf's Den, Corner of Love, Windy Hollow, ... that sort?

By the way, I have one Windy Hollow, but it's a small natural feature in the city's range.

What is Windy Hollow in Helean? Also, just to clarify, I was thinking of prostitution.

If you have one with a history of (a) serial killer(s), something involving danger and black.

Ean wrote:What is Windy Hollow in Helean? Also, just to clarify, I was thinking of prostitution.

Yeah, I imagined that you were probably implying the prostiputas thing XD

The Hellesan Windy Hollow is Cern na s'Eus "Hole of the Wind", and is taken directly from Catalan Forat del Vent, with the very same meaning. Forat del Vent is a real place in Collserola (Barcelona's mountain range), the end of a narrow valley, almost a hollow, very windy. According to gossip and some urban legends (still active in my teens) the wind was so strong there (it was canalized by the narrow valley in a vertical current) that you could literally fly; it is said that young brainless people tried it and died.

If you have one with a history of (a) serial killer(s), something involving danger and black.

Hmm, could work, like Llano de la Violada or something that way, no? Not very fancy for a neighborhood though XD

pos vaya gilipuertas supermen looool xDDD

hmmm Llano de la violada. Well, not very fancy, but that's what you got sound changes and time for xD obscure it and make it irregular or whatever.

Hmmm, too many [m]'s in da haus

Doesn't happen to you guys that you end using a little group of sounds when making words? I mean, even when your conlang has a wider set of consonants and vowels, you choose some sounds above the others.
And I'm not talking only when you select some sounds from scratch. It happens to me even when taking words or roots from my dictionary to make a compound word.
Among consonants it happens to me with [m] and [n], followed by bilabial oclusives. I use [m] a lot at the beginning of a word, especially in the ma– sequence. On the other hand I use less [f] or [r].

I'll start using more these, as well as affricates and double consonants.

Because you like them more.

Ean wrote:Because you like them more.

Nah, it's not that.
Often I do it unwittingly, it's not a ruminated election. To make new words I usually tie sounds (alone or grouped) with specific meanings (for example, [ma] carries a sense of negation, prohibition, but also "large; big", hence mà "no" and maze- "large; (mega-)"), and I often find myself choosing [m n] over the other consonants, as if these nasal sounds could cover a wider range of meanings.
Maybe it's due to [m]'s stability in Hellesan, or because I think it's a basic consonant, along with the other bilabials and nasals. I also use a lot.

For me, I overuse coronals: Tomina has /n t d ð s z ʃ ʒ l r/, and my vocabulary shows an overbearing preponderance of these phonemes (that I must correct). Shesta has a similar, though not as drastic, coronal dominance, with /n t d ts tʃ θ s ʃ l r/.

Too many coronals can definitely make the language sound a bit too Japanese/Spanish.

Speaking of overused consonants, Aloha tends to overuse [ɴ] due to sandhi word boundaries.
Coronals can potentially be overused, but they tend to be balanced out due to labials, retroflexes, cerebrals, nasals and gutturals.

Izambri: name one of the neighborhoods:

Marble Steps (or something with marble in it)

and find a corner to put a tavern called Hawk and Dove!

The Himmaswa triphthong <ooay> gets the least use I think. I keep forgetting to use it. Maybe I dislike the spelling.

Bristel wrote:Izambri: name one of the neighborhoods:

Marble Steps (or something with marble in it)

I like this one. I had a neighborhood's name with "marble" in it, but I changed it for "clear; white": Carbelmes "White Stones"; it's taken from a real neighborhood in Barcelona: Pedralbes, from Latin Petras Albas.
The toponym would be Parestormes [pɐɾəs'tɔɾməs] or Brestormalls [bɾəstuɾ'maʎs] if evolved from an older name (paranas + turmals), or Tormalhs na parse "Steps of marble" if it's a newly made placename.

and find a corner to put a tavern called Hawk and Dove!

I will, but that means I need to make words for "hawk" and "dove"!

Parestormes rox.

Ean wrote:Parestormes rox.

Is it bad that the first thing I thought when I saw this was Tyrannosaurus rex?

Also, what is best for apple? Arze [ˈarzə], anarze [aˈnarzə], beritha [beˈriða] or bercea [ˈberʃa]?

Aiďos wrote:Also, what is best for apple? Arze [ˈarzə], anarze [aˈnarzə], beritha [beˈriða] or bercea [ˈberʃa]?

I choose bercea, but arze is also appealing.

Aiďos wrote:Also, what is best for apple? Arze [ˈarzə], anarze [aˈnarzə], beritha [beˈriða] or bercea [ˈberʃa]?

Arze; bercia makes me think of a tree of some kind, maybe a conifer. I may have to steal that.

bercea for green apples and arze for red ones.

Ean wrote:bercea for green apples and arze for red ones.

bercea and bercea arze?



sratheyo [sɾa.Te.jo], or srathejo [sɾa.Te.yo] ?

derived from the Greek strategos (general), but the meaning is up in the air at the moment.

no, just "bercea" and just "arze".

If it was the way you said "arze" would just mean red.

Ean wrote:no, just "bercea" and just "arze".

If it was the way you said "arze" would just mean red.

Green apples become red ones; but when a red apple is picked, there's usually still some green on it. either way, it was just a thought i thought to mention; apologies.

if a rationalization is sought - sahara desert is neither the best nor the only example of redundancy. (sahara = great desert)

Rodlox wrote:

Ean wrote:bercea for green apples and arze for red ones.

bercea and bercea arze?



sratheyo [sɾa.Te.jo], or srathejo [sɾa.Te.yo] ?

derived from the Greek strategos (general), but the meaning is up in the air at the moment.

I really don't get this. <j> is [y] and vice versa? The first, easier to pronounce.

Aiďos wrote:

Rodlox wrote: sratheyo [sɾa.Te.jo], or srathejo [sɾa.Te.yo] ?

I really don't get this. <j> is [y] and vice versa?

in-universe, it stems from an attempt to reconcile two romanization schemes which were equally old.

IRL, its because that's the biggest phonetic difference between the two sibling conlangs...and I don't want to introduce inconsistency to my notes ("when I was writing that, did I mean [j] or [y]?" thus far, just labelling which conlang I'm making notes for, is sufficient to remind me)
. Arasamean & Arimaspean Creole.

The first, easier to pronounce.

thank you.

Ean wrote:Parestormes rox.

This one is problematic, Brestormalhs being more plausible if we consider the evolution of Hellesan, especially in that region. But I'll keep Parestormes; anyways, placenames' evolution can be very conservative.

Spontaneous lh's are more plausible?

Ean wrote:Spontaneous lh's are more plausible?

I don't see any spontaneous lh.