Post your conlang's phonology

[roninbodhisattva]

A Japanese copy phonology I just came up with (at my blog)

[Xephyr]

No, this is not a phonology. Just a phoneme inventory.

[Tropylium]

No, this is not a phonology. Just a phoneme inventory.

Pretty Athabaskan, tho the back affricates and nasals also remind of the Random Phonology Maker…

I like the look of <x̌>… I ought to steal that for something

A Japanese copy phonology I just came up with

Speaking of Japaclones, I've one B-tier sideproject which aesthetically aims for an average of Japanese and German (no conhistory or anything here, I just like the sound of both).

Consonant inventory:
stops /p b t d k g (ʔ)/ <p b t d k g>
affricates /ts tʃ/ <z zh>
fricativs /s z ʃ ʒ x ɣ/ <ss s ssh sh ch r>
nasals /m n/ <m n>
approximants /ʋ l (j)/ <w l y>

Voiceless stops are unaspirated.
/ʔ/ is a marginal phoneme: it occurs before initial noniotized vowels and medially between identical vowels. /ʋ/ is also fairly limited in distribution, only occurring before the non-close non-rounded vowels /a aː ai ɛ ɛː/.
[ç ʝ] are allophones of /x ɣ/ in a front-vocalic environment. The latter is written <y>.
[h] is an allophone of /x/ word-initially (if not palatalized), written <h>. Initial [çj] is also written <hy>.
[ŋ] is an allophone of /m/ word-finally, written <ng>.
The alveolar sibilants /ts s z/ are laminal and noticably palatalized before close /iː ɪ/, otherwise apical.
In a consonant cluster, /ʃ x/ are written <sh r>. For the former, this includes phonetic clusters before syllabic consonants, so eg. <kashen> = /kaʃɛn/ = [kaʃn̩].

Vowel inventory:
close /iː ɪ juː jʊ uː ʊ/ <ii i yuu yu uu u>
mid /eː ɛ joː jɔ oː ɔ/ <ee/ei e yoo/you yo oo/ou o>
open /jaː ja aː a/ <yaa ya aa a>
falling difthongs /ai au/ <ai au>
[j] does not occur before front vowels, so I'm considering iotized vowels unisegmental (for mophological purposes at least) They alternate in inflection with their plain counterparts; /ai au/ turn to /iː joː/ here. I may toss in a few cases where /eː ɛ/ "iotize" to /iː ɪ/ as well. Iotization also causes the changes //my wy ty dy zy ssy sy// /nj j tʃ tʃ ʃ ʒ/.

I'm also considering having long vowels be the default before a single medial voiced consonant: so <zura> would be /tsuːɣa/. If I'll need stuff like /tsʊɣa/, that could be <zurra> (as there are no voiced geminates).

In final unstress'd syllables, only short noniotized vowels occur. Moreover, the mid vowels merge as [ə] <e>, which is elided before a sonorant. So the inventory is [ɪ ʊ ə a l̩ n̩ ŋ̩] in this position.

Syllable structure:
C(ʋ, j)V(ː)(ʃ, l, N, Q); a maximal syllable will be something like <gyool>. "Q" is to account for voiceless geminate stops [pː tː kː]. Difthongs (including old <ei ou>) only occur in open syllables.

In my current corpus, stress seems to be final if there's a long vowel, antepenultimate if that is closed, penultimate otherwise, but this is not by conscious decision; I'm leaving open the possibility for unpredictable stress in some words.

Anyway, this produces stuff such as:
[ˈtsʲɪçn̩ ˈtsuːɣa jɔˈtɔʃkə ʔeːn ˈʔɔzɔ ʋɛˈnai ˈdakʊ ˈhaiʋa tɪl ˈzagau tsoː]
<zichen zura yotoshke een, oso wenai daku haiwa til sagau zou>

[finlay]

*fricatives, diphthongs, morphological, unstressed

you're not writing poetry, remember. cut it out.

[Tropylium]

you're not writing poetry, remember. cut it out.

Cutting out unnecessary letters, exactly. (Feel free to imagine some random linebreiks and read it as free verse, if that helps. )

Anyway, I'm sure you'll be a dubbelšalea in no time if you keep up with attempting to point out every time I'm at this.

(BTW you fail'd to list "tho")

[Dewrad]

you're not writing poetry, remember. cut it out.

Cutting out unnecessary letters, exactly. (Feel free to imagine some random linebreiks and read it as free verse, if that helps. )

Anyway, I'm sure you'll be a dubbelšalea in no time if you keep up with attempting to point out every time I'm at this.

(BTW you fail'd to list "tho")

PROTIP: Personalised spelling reforms make you look illiterate. Furthermore, on this (maybe any?) board, they're more likely to be commented on than the actual content of your post. It's just really not worth it. You don't look clever or like a daring innovator: you're just making how you say something more worthy of comment than what you're saying.

[Tropylium]

PROTIP: Personalised spelling reforms make you look illiterate. Furthermore, on this (maybe any?) board, they're more likely to be commented on than the actual content of your post.

Experimental evidence disagrees, so whatever.

You don't look clever or like a daring innovator: you're just making how you say something more worthy of comment than what you're saying.

On the contrary, the commentator is one who judges what is worthy of comment.

[finlay]

No, dewrad is indeed right. Plus, reading your posts makes me feel ill.

I didn't comment on 'tho' because I'm a bit more lenient with textspeak and commonly used abbreviations, partly because I'm used to it but mainly because there's a cognitive dissonance between the rather lofty scientific words that you're using and the way you're deliberately misspelling them.

Oh and don't think you're special in this regard; I've gone off on one at people like Bryan in the past, and Ivo's got an earful from various members of the board many a time.

[roninbodhisattva]

Why yes, I will take only 7 consonant phonemes.

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     t	 k	
     s		   h
m	 n	
	  r 

i		u
	ə
	a

[Xephyr]

Omg you only have 2 of /p t k ?/ I'm calling the police on you!

[roninbodhisattva]

Blasphemous, right?

[----]

Blasphemous, right?

Something I did with no labials, and not much of anything else, either:

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    t           k     q
         ç     x       
                ŋ     ɴ
                ʟ     ʀ

ɪ ʏ           u
(e)(ø)    ʌ   
       a        

[TaylorS]

Blasphemous, right?

Something I did with no labials, and not much of anything else, either:

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    t           k     q
         ç     x       
                ŋ     ɴ
                ʟ     ʀ

ɪ ʏ           u
(e)(ø)    ʌ   
       a        

/ç/ and /x/ but no /s/? velar and uvular nasals but no /n/? Oy!!!

[Nortaneous]

I'm pretty sure I've seen a natlang that had nasals but no /n/. Anyway, the biggest problem that I have with that phonology is the /ʟ ʀ/. Besides that, it's not as bad as a few of my Hathic langs:

Kanagy:

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m n
  t tʃ gʲ k
ɸ    ʃ

i ɨ̃ u
ɛ ɛ̃ ɑ ɑ

Ketas: (this doesn't quite capture what's going on, but it's the best way I have to describe it -- basically, there's no actual labialization, and weird shit happens around labialized consonants. probably +RTR on the following vowel)

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t̺ t̻ k kʷ ʔ
s   x xʷ
n    w

i ə
ɛ a

Kastas:

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p   t k
f ɬ s
    z ʁ
m   n ŋ
    r

a i u a: i: u:

[----]

I'm pretty sure I've seen a natlang that had nasals but no /n/. Anyway, the biggest problem that I have with that phonology is the /ʟ ʀ/.

They're under-represented! Velar laterals are people too! And uvular trills!

[roninbodhisattva]

I'm pretty sure I've seen a natlang that had nasals but no /n/. Anyway, the biggest problem that I have with that phonology is the /ʟ ʀ/.

They're under-represented! Velar laterals are people too! And uvular trills!

They are, in fact, not people.

[Nortaneous]

Velar laterals pretty much don't happen in natlangs, and uvular trills are mostly the product of a Western European areal shift from /r/. Although apparently there's a dialect of Occitan that developed it from /ʎ/? Weird. (edit: also, Nias developed trills from prenasalized stops, and that's how I got Arve /ʀ/. Well, that and */rk rɣ/.)

[Zumir]

Who cares if it's a rare sound?

[roninbodhisattva]

Typology.

[krítá]

Khârâžiân-

* My computer took a sh*t about a month ago and I haven't had the opportunity (read: cash) to replace the hard drive. This just means that my entire conlang has been created on my cell phone. The diacritics I have used are used to save space on my screen, so they might be used incorrectly. *

Plosives -
labial: p; alveolar: t, d; velar: q;

Fricatives -
labiodental: f, v; dental: th; alveolar: s; alv-pal: ž (zh), š (sh); uvular: kh;

Affricates - none.

Approximates -
alveolar: l; alv-pal: y;

Nasals -
Labial: m; alveolar: n;

Taps - alveolar: r;

Vowels: (all are pronounced as in Spanish)

â (slight high pitch), è, i, ó, ú.

[roninbodhisattva]

Why would you write /k/ <q>?

[krítá]

Is that an issue or something?

[masako]

Is that an issue or something?

Only if you don't already have <k>.

[krítá]

No, I only have kh not regular k. I think q makes a softer sound than K... at least in Spanish it does.

[masako]

No, I only have kh not regular k. I think q makes a softer sound than K... at least in Spanish it does.

OK. What we have here is a confusion between phonemes and graphemes.

<k> would be a prapheme

/k/ would be the sound voiceless velar plosive

please read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... c_Alphabet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_S ... c_Alphabet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthography