Help your conlang fluency (2)

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Ang silvva cātijas nitacanya soyang inunjas? Sa ming silvvāng menan, vāng tado-ma.
AT see-2SG.T lover-PL-P sex-LOC or fish-PL-P? PT can see-2SG.A first.T, 2SG.A old=enough.
Do you see lovers having sex or fishes? If you can see the former, you're old enough.
Dʉs ig iss nugig aut.
So I'm old enough.

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Tarannar wrote:Ang kafture siceng deg "makeren" acedh kë vëje anef.
Those who know what "macron" means are hopefully old enough.
Dewrad wrote: A, caca sur lòi. Favlame de mèncle.
Ah, fuck it. Let's just talk about cocks.
Ag acän ä jabar gulab ka?
What is there to talk about?
papana ñiru puuye yakavo:
cock-PTV much talk-PRESPP be-PRS-INFER
There is much to talk about cocks.

papa hea miti yakavo:
cock.NOM fine animal.NOM be-PRS-INFER
A cock is a fine animal.

pa ñeki amipa romakave:
3MS.NOM every morning-ESS sing-PRS-HSY
He sings every morning.

hunono vanana poretekemu semi yunekave:
self-GEN hen-PTV defend-PRESP-ACC for fight-PRS-HSY
He will fight to defend his hens.

vana vehena teñekemu semi paña simikave:
hen egg-PTV make-PRESP-ACC for 3MS.COM mate-PRS-HSY
Hens mate with him to make eggs.

vehe kaveno añahoke aña yakave:
egg.NOM person.GEN nourish-PRESP food.NOM be-PRS-HSY
Eggs are a nourishing food for people.
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Ang tahaya lapan men nā agujas, aguyanas naynay.
AT have-3SG.M neighbor.T one 1S.GEN chicken-PL-P, rooster-P as.well.
My one neighbor has chicken, and a rooster as well.

I frankly copied German in this case because it didn't seem unreasonable to find the same metaphor elsewhere and made the other cock sitram 'tail'.

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WeepingElf wrote:Le motz "macron" ést certeméntz cändid ez bon pfor enfantzes. Meis prettydragoon sembléz ést motz pfor un membre de corfs pärticulär ütiz a har.
The word "macron" is certainly harmless and good for children. But prettydragoon appears to have used this word for a particular body part.
Dec éu, na datz, ti s'espret adesc. Escà an Thry m'ic gardat! :P
It was me, though, who used it that way. But Thry forced me to do it! :P
Un llapis mai dibuixa sense una mà.

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Togeve-te, als hit is neutlos at er vesten.
I admit to it, as it is futile to argue.

An hit is drey.
And it's true.

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Te ajo parmatz te agets gent auronts nams perts na calces esvees: Estogolm, Línsyepinc, Lund, Sigtuna and Upsala.
Let be known that these are the official Hellesan names of some Swedish cities: Stockholm, Linköping, Lund, Sigtuna and Uppsala.

Ê agets eu gent na ses iseres isarghines: Escane, Gàutaland, Nòrland è Esvèland.
And these are the names of the historic regions: Scania, Götaland, Norrland and Svealand.

Se Danse Tanea ī Esvèria èu ī Upsala.
The Sacred See in Sweden is in Uppsala.
Thry wrote:Togeve-te, als hit is neutlos at er vesten.
I admit to it, as it is futile to argue.

An hit is drey.
And it's true.
Midern m’innivaz a… agede resse na nanui-lamne.
You always incite me to… that kind of beyond-language.
Un llapis mai dibuixa sense una mà.

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De donge* is aedyd biet yands.
The language is always better beyond.

*also means tongue. all senses. :wink:

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nxexë nzi me tʼeng e dröh klʼe
2-shut_up~MAJ\PL NEG.REFL FUT <1>punch GEN dick 2PL
[ŋkxɛxɪ ndʒi mɛ tʼɛŋ ɛ drʊ̌ kʟ̥ʼɛ]
if you lot don't shut up i'm gonna punch all of you in the dick
Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.

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Havam nei án, ðíat erm án aka. Kanam dweljá malá!
I don't have one, 'cos I'm a girl. I can keep talking!

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ö kom zeze theng bresëʼ uʼ.
that's why god gave us plastic.
Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.

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Thry wrote:De donge* is aedyd biet yands.
The language is always better beyond.

*also means tongue. all senses. :wink:
Ao... s'heŀleu ai lhame (tirenberea) è lamne (lamnessant), 'dès te aget nòbol-falac èu tus dagambre. T_____T
Oh... Hellesan has lhame "tongue" (anatomy) and lamne "tongue (language)", so that double sense isn't possible. T_____T
Un llapis mai dibuixa sense una mà.

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Als sye it en taevalt, du can aedyd benuten lhame litteraerely ver sprece alswel (cf. Engliss tongue als in mother tongue).
If it's a doublet, you could always use lhame literarily for language too (cf. English tongue as in mother tongue).

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Thry wrote:Als sye it en taevalt, du can aedyd benuten lhame litteraerely ver sprece alswel (cf. Engliss tongue als in mother tongue).
If it's a doublet, you could always use lhame literarily for language too (cf. English tongue as in mother tongue).
Maneu donent nas perà lamane, man sis neu nansagats.
Both come from Peran lamane, with both meanings.

Darei tertont versindadh, escà: lhame danc nansagarai "lhame" sam "lhi na blese".
I'll do something different though: lhame will mean both "tongue (anatomy)" and "gift of the gab (Sp. labia)".
Un llapis mai dibuixa sense una mà.

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Thry wrote:De donge* is aedyd biet yands.
The language is always better beyond.

*also means tongue. all senses. :wink:
hohopi rireinutirepa keriko to ruñokokona to puumakañana >tirepa< imekave:
likewise rireinutire-ESS certain and body-part-PTV and speech-custom-PTV >tire-ESS< name-PRS-HSY
In Rireinutire as well, both a body part (tongue) and a way of speech (language) are called 'tire'.
Nortaneous wrote:ö kom zeze theng bresëʼ uʼ.
that's why god gave us plastic.
yo rusamu: piu: rireinukave siki karuna netekasevo:
Q plastic-ACC | pah | rireinukave this thing-PTV want-PRS-NEG-INFER
Plastic? Pah! A Rireinukave craves not these things!

yo te neakiyo hii ma >Erevayino< Yota keriyara pini tevimu teñekiva:
Q 2P.NOM see-PST-Q that 1S.NOM star-war-GEN Yoda wisewoman-INE small allusion-ACC make-PST-SENS
Did you notice that I made a small allusion to the sage Yoda from 'Star Wars'?
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Zaidam.
Yes.

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Pintule talbali aranume acun.
Insert random topic here.

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Etr.
Food.

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Uti riëdh.
I like sandwiches.

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Uutue mue uutie tie at tie uutie mue uutue tie at tie deue?
/ˈəʊtʊ mə ˈ͏əʊtsɪ tɪ ats tɪ ˈəʊtsɪ mə ˈəʊtʊ tɪ ats tɪ ˈzɛʊ/
orange:color on orange:fruit from coming from orange:fruit on orange:color from coming from what

Orange: does the fruit come from the color, or the color from the fruit?

I suppose this question doesn't make much sense in Deevie, since both uutie, the fruit, and uutue, the color, are derived from an underlying bound morpheme uut-? So as far as Deevie is concerned, they both come from some underlying abstract quality of orangeness.

Now, I'm pretty sure the color comes from the fruit, since how many other things in nature are orange, so uut is actually the Old Deevie term for the orange, which then gave uutue "orange color" via the still productive color suffix -ue. Then, for symmetry, uut was replaced by the renominalization uutie "orange thing" and lost its use as a free morpheme.

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Tiaw newr vor that. Nefar tial. Y ne manch fan y an erenj last at.
[tʃau̯ nɛu̯r vɔr ðat. nəˈfar tʃaɫ. iː nə maŋx fan itʃ an əˈrɛndʒ last at.]
I've never thought about that. Nor will I. I can't even remember the last time I ate an orange.

grammar is hard, diachronic syntax is hard, diachronic syntax + heavy influence from a language i don't speak is hard
Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
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Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.

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Hit is haud ver at vitamyne C. So send ciwien.
It's great for vitamin C. As are kiwis.

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Bist'w "haud" vor Vitamin C ine?
Oh, you're "haud" for Vitamin C?
Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.

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Allye. An ver ciwiens.
Totally. And for kiwis.

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Sevly wrote:Uutue mue uutie tie at tie uutie mue uutue tie at tie deue?
/ˈəʊtʊ mə ˈ͏əʊtsɪ tɪ ats tɪ ˈəʊtsɪ mə ˈəʊtʊ tɪ ats tɪ ˈzɛʊ/
orange:color on orange:fruit from coming from orange:fruit on orange:color from coming from what

Orange: does the fruit come from the color, or the color from the fruit?

I suppose this question doesn't make much sense in Deevie, since both uutie, the fruit, and uutue, the color, are derived from an underlying bound morpheme uut-? So as far as Deevie is concerned, they both come from some underlying abstract quality of orangeness.

Now, I'm pretty sure the color comes from the fruit, since how many other things in nature are orange, so uut is actually the Old Deevie term for the orange, which then gave uutue "orange color" via the still productive color suffix -ue. Then, for symmetry, uut was replaced by the renominalization uutie "orange thing" and lost its use as a free morpheme.
The colour comes from the fruit. But I'm surprised at how many of you borrow your polysemy directly from English or other European languages. Tongue = language is one of these - I think worldwide you are more likely to find language is related to a word like speaking rather than tongue.

Orange is another one - the fruit and the colour are the same in english and french but frequently different elsewhere - eg Dutch has sinaasappel for the fruit and oranje for the colour. Japanese has orenji for both, a loanword from english, but also has other words like mikan for native citrus varieties.

Another off the top of my head is glass - having the same word for the material and the container strikes as something english and french do. English also has or had the same word for spectacles and mirrors. But eg Japanese has different words for all of them - although the substance is garasu from dutch and the container is gurasu from english so close.

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finlay wrote:But I'm surprised at how many of you borrow your polysemy directly from English or other European languages. Tongue = language is one of these - I think worldwide you are more likely to find language is related to a word like speaking rather than tongue.
Teum nei ðan. Et "Tongue" "zuŋgr", en et "language" "málr", oxk et "speech" "malr" ír merkir.
I don't do that. For example, "tongue" is "zuŋgr", but "language" is "málr" and "speech" is "malr".

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