Post your conlang's phonology

[Nortaneous]

I've been working for quite a while on this language lately (already quite far into morphology). However I was opposed to creating an entire thread for just another phonology. Then i found this thread.

Here it is. It has phoneme inventory, allophony, prosody/stress and whatnot for you guys to feast on.

edit: oh, and in the consonant inventory, /c/ should be /x/.

Why are /p f/ grouped with the fortis (ejective?) consonants?

[Xados]

How do i post code graf with perfect alignment

[Nortaneous]

don't make it so big, and do it in Notepad, not the post box

or you could do it in Word or something and post a screenshot

[Xados]

p used to have an ejective counterpart...

[sirdanilot]

Why are /p f/ grouped with the fortis (ejective?) consonants?

They derive from *p' and *f' (subsequently, historical *p and *f have become voiced /b/ and /v/, and historical *b and *v have become /v/ and /w/ (labiodental)). /X/ also derives from *x' or *X' (or, most probably, a merger of those two). Because syllables containing ejective consonants are stressed, syllables containing /p/ and /f/ are also stressed; this is why I grouped these consonants in with the ejectives, since it's phonologically relevant. There are also fortition processes in this lang, and /b/ might change to /p/, and /v/ to /f/.

This is no longer productive though, considering names like /pOlXas/ getting stress on the second syllable (stress on syllables with /X/ is still productive; it is always pronounced very harshly, back in the throat, making it resemble an ejective).

Fortis is just how I call the group with ejectives, /p/, /f/ and /X/, because ejective would be wrong with not all of them being ejective.

[Xados]

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         bilabial     labiovelar labio-palatal labiodental alveolar alveo-velar medial palatal velar glottal 
 
nasal           n                                                  n                        nn     ng         

plosive                                                        t                                k  g   h      

fricative   p   b                                  f    v     s   z              ss  zz         q      x   r

approximant                    u          y                      rr          ll              i                     

trill                                                             l

tap/flap                                                          d

lateralfric.                                                    c   j

lateralappr.                                                        l
  
affricate                                                      cc   jj             sc  zj                                                            

consonants^ v
cc-tɬ sc-t∫ jj-dɮ zj-dʒ

vowels
a e i y o u
long /a/ /e/ /i/ /y/ /ø/ /u/
short /æ/ /ɛ/ /ɪ/ /ʏ/ /œ/ /ʊ/





any opinions?

[roninbodhisattva]

What are medial /ss zz/?

[Xados]

medial is term i use for post alveolar because the word is to long and to similar too alveolar. medial is because it's midway between alveolar and palatal. the long vowels aren't distinguished from their short counterparts.


so now you understand-what's your opinion

[roninbodhisattva]

So now you understand-what's your opinion

*shrugs* meh. I like smaller inventories that are less chocked full. It seems like you're just throwing in sounds to some extent to me.

[Xados]

okay, i'll drop ss,zz,zj,ng, and sc

[----]

Your chart is kinda big and hard to read, you put r and x in the glottal section which I can only assume is uvular. It does kind of seem like you have too many phonemes there, and if you want to keep all of them you could always explain a lot of them with heavy allophony.

[Xados]

l and n both have allophones [-2]
i dropped 5 already [-7]
i use g for proper and foreign words [-8]
h can be silent [-9]
the semivowels are allophones [-12]

33-12= 21

that's as much as italian

[finlay]

he seems to be trying to imitate portuguese's <r> for /h/.....

[Xados]

yes, brazillian's to be exact , while x comes from spanish mexico

[Nortaneous]

Is this right?

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  m          n           ɲ   ŋ
p b       t              k g ʔ   
      f v s  z   ʃ  ʒ    x   h ɦ
  w ɥ        ɹ ɫ       j 
             r           
             4  
          ɬ  ɮ  
             l  
          ts dz  tʃ dʒ

  n          n           nn   ng
p b       t                 k g  h
      f v s  z     ss zz    q
  u y        rr ll       i
             l
             d
          c  j
             l
          cc jj

[Xados]

close, a few posts ago i dropped some some sounds and of they 33 phonemes-i am missing ts and dz. nice try though, currently i have 21 and a half full sounds



sorry for the last edition of this post

[finlay]

you really need to work on them there communication skills.

btw the portuguese <r> is a historical development that's hard to justify in a conlang. just use <h>... i really hate it when people use <h> for /ʔ/.

[Xados]

truthfully, does anybody one here post with the mood of 'I WANT TO FUCKING KILL YOU'


it's always uh-huh or what?

[Xados]

you really need to work on them there communication skills.

btw the portuguese <r> is a historical development that's hard to justify in a conlang. just use <h>... i really hate it when people use <h> for /ʔ/.

i'll switch rr and r then, and i'm using silent h and aspirated h as a grammatical device

[finlay]

truthfully, does anybody one here post with the mood of 'I WANT TO FUCKING KILL YOU'


it's always uh-huh or what?

this makes absolutely no sense

[Xados]

okay i'll rewrite for the sake of the forum

[Risla]

...i really hate it when people use <h> for /ʔ/.

*shakes fist*

I use it in South Eresian. There's actually just a dialect-specific merger of /h ʔ/ in the dialect I use here, so I decided to represent all of them with <h> instead of apostrophes. Besides, it is attested (in the orthography I based mine off of, no less).

And what would you rather I do, blanket the language in apostrophes so it looks like it emerged from a bad fantasy novel?

[Xados]

...i really hate it when people use <h> for /ʔ/.

*shakes fist*

I use it in South Eresian. There's actually just a dialect-specific merger of /h ʔ/ in the dialect I use here, so I decided to represent all of them with <h> instead of apostrophes. Besides, it is attested (in the orthography I based mine off of, no less).

And what would you rather I do, blanket the language in apostrophes so it looks like it emerged from a bad fantasy novel?

thank you-but i got the idea from french

[Risla]

hey, I'm depending my language, not yours.

[Nortaneous]

yeah, I think that's pretty common in Spanish-developed orthographies. Seri does it also, at least