Akana Conlang Relay 2011 (The Never Ending Relay)

[Wattmann]

I have lost my account XP
My old e-mail failed out and I opened a new one on gmail

Does that mean you can't access the board currently?

Can open the board, can't log in.

[Pole, the]

Ok, me being the Devilcat.

[Cedh]

Feles: You're in Team 1 now.
Wattmann: I've found your new account, and added it to the same group you were in previously.

[Click]

I am also 2-4 on Akana forum.
I'd like to join the team 1, if I can.

[Cedh]

Okay, I've added you too. I'll be on IRC for the next two or three hours, in case you'd like to get pointers...

Team 1 should probably be considered full now. If anyone else wants to join for the daughterlang-creating phase of the game, that's up for Team 2 to decide. (Anyone can of course help reconstructing the protolanguages when the reconstruction phase begins.)

[dunomapuka]

Thought I'd have a look at the T1 languages and see what there is to reconstruct (not much yet).

Based on totally superficial initial observations, I'd reconstruct something like the following for personal pronouns:
to- "I"
li- "thou"
hu- "he/she/they"
si- "we"
ñV- "you"
nu- "they"

Omari's demonstratives look like compounds of which the first element is *h- in the singular and *n- in the plural.

*ñV- attempts to reconcile Omari gi, Tey. tʃ-/je-, and Hkətl. nya.

I have a vague, gut feeling that Proto-T1 has a very strange phonology.

[dunomapuka]

I was looking at Potɑnsʉti and playing around with the spelling system... it looks unmistakably Finnic this way, doesn't it? Saami, maybe.

Mosowaki katan tan mempähoki vampohe homimä tantävä mummä wimirunetärä kutäväri täl hukosävä.
Veta kipantä mäwo katan häwiki tipe vampohe homil kake katä seni.
Ha "sitipe nunnä vunä tan wimiru," katä katan sati katäki mini.
Simil ropi hä "rara tipe kansivä tal wisi ti kutäväri vunä," katä sati katan täka säpivä.
Tältä tipe "Ho sunkähoki katan ti nitivä vunä mä nitivä," katä sativä.
Tipe häwiki mempähe homimä rätapä mumma mäsä vu moko miniki tipemohe mikikäwa piräkäwa räpantä kempä.
Kikähe piji homimä mäsä sohe mummä simä kikätä sopäni vampo rähepä.
Katan pase koräru vunä tältä täl.
"Sikatan sunkähoki sutiho! Tan nunnä tan häpe ropi korä teku kija!" katä sativä.

[Pole, the]

@up: Nice.
In my reconstructive attempts I've been using ‹b› /β/, ‹â› /ɑ/ and ‹y› [ɰ], though.

[Ser]

After a quick glance, it seems to me that not only is it very obvious that T1 languages are related to one another...:

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Cəzədegozin    Omari       Hkətɬ'ohnim   Teyetati  Cednitət
Ø (nom.)       Ø (direct)  Ø (dir.)      Ø (nom.)  Ø (nom.)
ɛn (acc.)                  ən (acc.)     an (acc.) an (acc.)
ɛʃ (gen.)                  əɬ (erg.)
ɛu (oblique)   u (obl.)    u (instr.)    u (obl.)  ə/w (obl.)
                           a (gen.)

...They also seem to be related to Proto-Indo-European.

[communistplot]

After a quick glance, it seems to me that not only is it very obvious that T1 languages are related to one another...:

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Cəzədegozin    Omari       Hkətɬ'ohnim   Teyetati  Cednitət
Ø (nom.)       Ø (direct)  Ø (dir.)      Ø (nom.)  Ø (nom.)
ɛn (acc.)                  ən (acc.)     an (acc.) an (acc.)
ɛʃ (gen.)                  əɬ (erg.)
ɛu (oblique)   u (obl.)    u (instr.)    u (obl.)  ə/w (obl.)
                           a (gen.)

...They also seem to be related to Proto-Indo-European.

Well that's 'cause our languages are a newly discovered sub-phyla of IElangs discovered in the vast wilderness of the Amazon.

[Ser]

I was reading Zompist's reconstruction of the phoneme inventory of Proto-Isles, comparing his observations with the correct answers. Berry, berry interesting. He got the consonant inventory almost completely right, the exception being /q/ which he missed, as there wasn't really enough data for it. (The daughters modified it heavily too whenever they conserved a word with /q/. He did nonetheless notice something funny about the 'good' and 'eat' sets, /qí/ and /siq/ respectively.) His *h was actually /ħ/, but there was no way to figure that out.

Was there ever any other work on reconstructing something of Proto-Isles or Ndak Ta?

[Pogostick Man]

After a quick glance, it seems to me that not only is it very obvious that T1 languages are related to one another...:

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Cəzədegozin    Omari       Hkətɬ'ohnim   Teyetati  Cednitət
Ø (nom.)       Ø (direct)  Ø (dir.)      Ø (nom.)  Ø (nom.)
ɛn (acc.)                  ən (acc.)     an (acc.) an (acc.)
ɛʃ (gen.)                  əɬ (erg.)
ɛu (oblique)   u (obl.)    u (instr.)    u (obl.)  ə/w (obl.)
                           a (gen.)

...They also seem to be related to Proto-Indo-European.

This was way, way too funny…

Labor Day weekend approaches! Let's see if I can get back in the saddle, God willing. (And also if I can get the Internet to work at my apartment, I'm at the University library right now…)

[Pogostick Man]

I would like to suggest that both teams should make an effort to really flesh out our daughterlanguages over the next few months, and that we set an official start date for the reconstruction phase. A suitable and realistic date IMO would be November 10th, exactly one year after Caleone started the game thread.

We on for this?

[the duke of nuke]

Let's do it! Deadlines are good for progress

[Pole, the]

And in the middle of translating the sample text I realized that I should modify the phonetic changes.

[Basilius]

To celebrate the Missed Deadline Day properly, I'd like to share this:

A grammar of Tetey (PDF, 400+KB)

Not finished (which is why I don't upload it to the Wiki).

Less stuff than planned, but I hope something useful for reconstruction can be found in it.

[Cedh]

Looks good, thanks a lot!

A fairly comprehensive lexicon for Hkətl’ohnim (> 500 words) is almost done; I just need to clean up a few things before publishing it, which I will probably manage to get done tonight.

A wordlist for Omari (less detailed, but useful for reconstruction) should be up in a week or so.

[Pogostick Man]

My apologies for my own lateness here; I'll try, God willing, to get everything finished up within the next couple of days.

[Cedh]

A fairly comprehensive lexicon for Hkətl’ohnim (> 500 words) is almost done; I just need to clean up a few things before publishing it, which I will probably manage to get done tonight.

It's taken a bit longer than expected once again, but it's finally there: Hkətl’ohnim Lexicon! The language page also contains some additional details now.

[Click]

It's taken a bit longer than expected once again, but it's finally there: Hkətl’ohnim Lexicon! The language page also contains some additional details now.

Good work!

I am working, too. I increased the size of the Hato lexicon by 102 words over last two days.
It is not yet available on the wiki; I'll share it after it's finished.

[communistplot]

Real life has been quite the bother but rest assured I'll be working on and off of the lexicons of both Cëzëdeğozin & Śetiid over the next while.

[Pole, the]

Real life is so brutal.
I have 427 Yalan entries as for now (both languages combined), but first I shall finish the text. I'll see what I can do. It should be complete and published till the end of November, very probably it will sooner, but I can't tell when.

[Pogostick Man]

Teyetáti lexicon currently has 174 entries.

[Pole, the]

Also,

To celebrate the Missed Deadline Day properly, I'd like to share this:

A grammar of Tetey (PDF, 400+KB)

Not finished (which is why I don't upload it to the Wiki).

Less stuff than planned, but I hope something useful for reconstruction can be found in it.

well, nice stuff. Surely it will be helpful.

[dhok]

Is there room now or in future for another family? I have a proto-language that I'm willing to donate; it has about 250 words, a phonology and a morphosyntax sketch. Last time I joined it got killed by a project I had to work on, but I am free for the foreseeable future.