Akana Conlang Relay 2011 (The Never Ending Relay)

[WeepingElf]

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6my9Q4 ... sp=sharing

It is a pretty old summary (written ca 9 months ago), but I think it accurately outlines the Proto-Dumic as it was reconstructed.
Obviously, many other things have been discovered since then, so the final result will surely vary.

It is reasonably accurate.

[Basilius]

Lately I've been working on another T2 language (which the other T2 members may remember as "Tetlo"). I don't think it's really needed for reconstruction, but I want to have it completed anyway, and I kinda feel obliged not to engage in anything time-consuming before I'm finished with it.

It's been in the "95% ready" state for about five months now, with the volume having roughly doubled in the same time, so to be honest I don't know when I'll publish the final version ;)

Nevertheless, a spoiler: excerpts from the description (PDF, 450+ KB) - just to hint at what the language (and the description) is going to feel like.

The stuff presented in those pages can be treated as finalized. I don't think it can add much to the reconstruction, but hopefully it may entertain those people who've delved in the T2 material.

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Also, last time I checked, I had the feeling that T1 reconstruction got stuck partly because of shortage of lexical material. The phonetics (and morphophonologies) of both the protolanguage and the descendants seem to be non-trivial, so perhaps the few more obvious cognates weren't enough to figure out the diachronics.

[Cedh]

Also, last time I checked, I had the feeling that T1 reconstruction got stuck partly because of shortage of lexical material. The phonetics (and morphophonologies) of both the protolanguage and the descendants seem to be non-trivial, so perhaps the few more obvious cognates weren't enough to figure out the diachronics.

Let me suggest you go and add all the available lexical material to Dunomapuka's spreadsheet then. If you consolidate all of that in a single place, I think you should be able to easily find at least 150-200 items with cognates in at least three languages, and possibly twice that.

Note to Vidurnaktis, Poplar, and Corumayas: It would be useful for reconstruction if the three of you could focus on publishing a preliminary lexicon. That's more important at this point than working out grammar details...

[Pole, the]

Also, last time I checked, I had the feeling that T1 reconstruction got stuck partly because of shortage of lexical material. The phonetics (and morphophonologies) of both the protolanguage and the descendants seem to be non-trivial, so perhaps the few more obvious cognates weren't enough to figure out the diachronics.

Well, you can quickstart just comparing words with the same meaning – and it would be trivially easy to prepare, e.g. by combining all the lexicons to one table and then sorting by the definitions in that way (just an example; not all the available lexicons have been added). That could be done pretty mechanically.

Nevertheless, a spoiler: excerpts from the description (PDF, 450+ KB) - just to hint at what the language (and the description) is going to feel like.

The stuff presented in those pages can be treated as finalized. I don't think it can add much to the reconstruction, but hopefully it may entertain those people who've delved in the T2 material.

Thanks for the contribution!

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And there are some guesses regarding Tetlo:

p b m > cW zW jW / _i
p b m > kW gW ṅW / _u

t d n > c z j / _i
t d n > tW dW nW / _u

s r > s lW / _a
s r > Q l / _i
s r > sW v / _u

k g > Q ẏ / _a
k g > QW ẏW / _u
something (g / _i?) > ṅ

V Vn Vm > e i o
V Vn Vm > ue ui uo / CW_

V Vn Vm > a eu ou / _CW
V Vn Vm > ua ueu y / CW_CW

[Basilius]

Well, you can quickstart just comparing words with the same meaning – and it would be trivially easy to prepare, e.g. by combining all the lexicons to one table and then sorting by the definitions in that way (just an example; not all the available lexicons have been added). That could be done pretty mechanically.

Thank you! Also, the two Yalan languages are enormously helpful (I recall that not much was available on them when I last attempted at a comparison).

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And there are some guesses regarding Tetlo: <...>

Congrats, all correct (as the default developments)!

[Corumayas]

Note to Vidurnaktis, Poplar, and Corumayas: It would be useful for reconstruction if the three of you could focus on publishing a preliminary lexicon. That's more important at this point than working out grammar details...

I'll renew my efforts on this. I haven't really looked at it since the beginning of the year though, so it may take some time just to re-acquaint myself with what I was doing.

[communistplot]

Note to Vidurnaktis, Poplar, and Corumayas: It would be useful for reconstruction if the three of you could focus on publishing a preliminary lexicon. That's more important at this point than working out grammar details...

I'll renew my efforts on this. I haven't really looked at it since the beginning of the year though, so it may take some time just to re-acquaint myself with what I was doing.

Likewise because of some of the changes that take place in my language I do need to do some of the grammatical stuff, but I'd been working off and on the last few days.

[Pole, the]

Also, I added the numerals in Tari (they are not present in the lexicon on the wiki).

[Click]

I've finally made an AkanaWiki article about my daughterlang. There's a short reference grammar and a ~400-word lexicon available.

[Cedh]

Also, since this hasn't been mentioned on the ZBB yet: A new contributor called Muyam appeared a few weeks ago, and he has managed quite a good start at reconstructing Proto-T1. If anyone would like to help him, now's the time to go over to the Akana forum and join in!

[4pq1injbok]

I've finally made an AkanaWiki article about my daughterlang. There's a short reference grammar and a ~400-word lexicon available.

Mm, that goes down smoothly phonologically.
Some picky nits:
- you don't have /iu ui/ in the diphthongs inventory, but they show up a lot
- if in the person agreement tables "∅" meaning 'not allowed' is being contrasted to "∅-" 'zero-marked', that's confusion-prone; better "—" or a shaded cell or something for the former

[Click]

I've finally made an AkanaWiki article about my daughterlang. There's a short reference grammar and a ~400-word lexicon available.

Mm, that goes down smoothly phonologically.

Some picky nits:
- you don't have /iu ui/ in the diphthongs inventory, but they show up a lot
- if in the person agreement tables "∅" meaning 'not allowed' is being contrasted to "∅-" 'zero-marked', that's confusion-prone; better "—" or a shaded cell or something for the former

Alright, I'll fix that. Expect an amended version very soon.

[communistplot]

Whatsoever happened to Team 2?

[Pole, the]

On an unrelated note, what do you (as Akana-involved people) think about using the AkanaWiki for describing languages of another similar, yet unrelated project?

[Cedh]

If the new game is set in Akana, then yes, sure. If it's set elsewhere, I'd suggest using FrathWiki instead.

(I'll contribute to the other thread and forum a few minutes from now...)

[communistplot]

Hey y'all. I was wondering if it would be alright if I placed my current work, viewtopic.php?f=4&t=42681, in Akana. I don't know where I'd place it yet, or its name. But I have the large part of its grammar down other than some niggling details.

[Cedh]

Hey y'all. I was wondering if it would be alright if I placed my current work, viewtopic.php?f=4&t=42681, in Akana. I don't know where I'd place it yet, or its name. But I have the large part of its grammar down other than some niggling details.

It should be possible to find a place for it, but it's hard to judge from just basic phonology and a list of nominal affixes. Please post more information about the language!

[Pole, the]

I'm through adding some new data on my page about T2.

[the duke of nuke]

That is some very solid and thorough work on PT2 there. I'm quite impressed with how much you've got reconstructed
My work on PT1 is going slowly at the moment - collating big lists of cognates is hard work, so I've taken a break from that - but I feel I've made a decent start and should be able to start reconstructing the non-obstruents in reasonable time.

In the meantime, I've put up some more on Tulameya. Hopefully it gives a feel for the language, and more importantly, all fits in with explaining the oddities of Proto-Lukpanic!

And on a meta note, what's happening with the threads? We seem to have rather drifted out of using the Cursed Relay one even though it's got much older and broader discussion in it.

[Pole, the]

Today I started writing another Akanalang sketch.

[Pole, the]

http://akana.conlang.org/wiki/User:The_Devilcat/proto-A
Since it's been a year since the activity on the 2012 relay subforum ceased, I let myself publish some bits about our team's protolang.

[Pogostick Man]

http://akana.conlang.org/wiki/User:The_Devilcat/proto-A
Since it's been a year since the activity on the 2012 relay subforum ceased, I let myself publish some bits about our team's protolang.

Yet another project I ought to get back to… /o\ (Skomakarn's emote for something like a headdesk, I guess)

[Pole, the]

Hmm, I tried to decihper the sample text in Potɑnsʉti and I can say I mostly succeeded — with an exception of two words towards the end:

[sikɑtɑn sʉnkaɦoki sʉtiɦo | tɑn nʉnna tɑn ɦapɛ ɾopi koɾa tɛkʉ kijɑ]
si-kɑtɑn sʉnka-ɦo-ki sʉti-ɦo | tɑn nʉnna tɑn ɦapɛ ɾopi koɾa tɛkʉ kijɑ
DEM-chief power-have-ATT voice-have | NEG to.eat NEG to.drink despite to.live [?] [?]
This chief has a powerful will! He can live without eating or drinking!

I thought one of these can be a sort of potential verb. However, I can't find any cognate of either of any in other Dumic languages.

Edit: I have found that, in an earlier version of Pot., [kijɑ] meant "but", "however".

[Pole, the]

By the way, the lexicon is almost completed, just maybe some final polishing would be needed, like double checking the nearly hundred odd words for probable cognates or such.

[communistplot]

Here's the Northeastern Bay language, ancestor to the Northeastern T1 languages. The article is far from complete, but it's a start.