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Re: Romanization challenge thread

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Caledonian:
/p t ʈ k q/ <b d d g q>
/pʰ tʰ ʈʰ kʰ qʰ/ <p t t c c>
/f s ʂ x χ h/ <f s s j j h>
/m n ɳ ŋ ɴ/ <m n n nh ng>
/l ɭ/<l l>
/w r ɽ ɣ ʁ/<w z z r r>
/a i~ɨ u/ <a i u>(after alveolar/velar/labial)
<e y o>(after retroflex/uvular/glottal)
Very deliberate discrepancy with the plosives versus nasals. This way I can distinguish:
/ɴi/<ngy> vs. /nki/<ngi> vs. /ŋi/<nhi>vs./nhi/<nhy>
Random things that can be made with the phonology:
/maɽuʂuɴɭa fukati qʰaɳʂuɴuʈ pʰukatup /
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I have made a new romanization for Caledonian, because the many dots above and below are a pain in the butt to type and a chore to read. I have done away with the dots below by replacing them with an apostrophe following the letter, and the dots above by new graphemes. Thus:

/p t ʈ k q/ p t t' k k'
/pʰ tʰ ʈʰ kʰ qʰ/ ph th t'h kh k'h
/ʰpʰ t ʰʈ ʰk ʰq/ hp ht ht' hk hk'
/ʰpʰ ʰtʰ ʰʈʰ ʰkʰ ʰqʰ/ hph hth ht'h hkh hk'h
/f s ʂ x χ h/ f s s' x x' h
/m n ɳ ŋ ɴ/ m n n' ng ng'
/l ɭ/ l l'
/w r ɽ ɣ ʁ/ w r r' g g'
/a i~ɨ u/ a i u

Including the pre- and ambiaspirated stops. All plain ASCII and easy to type.

BTW: There was a mistake in the old, discarded version. The third click is meant to be palatal, not lateral, but I always confuse those IPA symbols.
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Noob here. Let me know if I'm not doing this right.

This is something I'm toying with, inspired by (but not strictly) taking the places of articulation from Hindi and the manners of articulation from Swahili. For vowels, I started with the Swahili vowels and added a few from Hindi that seemed to fill gaps.

/ m n ɳ ŋ /
/ ᵐb ⁿd ᶯɖ ᵑg /
/ b d ɖ g /
/ pʰ tʰ ʈʰ kʰ /
/ v z /
/ ᶬv ⁿz /
/ ɖ͡ʐ ʈ͡ʂ / (these are affricates, I don't know if I did the connection right)
/ f s ʂ h /
/ w l j /
/ r /

n, ⁿd, d, tʰ are dental.

Vowels are:
/ a i ɪ u ʊ ɛ ɔ /

I don't have much vocabulary or morphology worked out, so let's just say a sentence could look something like this:

ɳapkʰa fɔʈ pʰɛʈ͡ʂ kʰilɔŋ, guwɛ aⁿza ᵐbʊ ʂɪɖ͡ʐuni hanat. vʊla ᶯɖɔʈ sijagʊm ᵑgɔɖɛɳ da ⁿdatʰiruk.

Please suggest a romanization.

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/ m n ɳ ŋ / <m n nh ng>
/ ᵐb ⁿd ᶯɖ ᵑg / <mb nd ndh ngg>
/ b d ɖ g / <b d dh g>
/ pʰ tʰ ʈʰ kʰ / <p t th k>
/ v z / <v z>
/ ᶬv ⁿz / <mv nz>
/ ɖ͡ʐ ʈ͡ʂ / <j ch>
/ f s ʂ h / <f s sh h>
/ w l j / <w l y>
/ r / <r>

Vowels are:
/ a i ɪ u ʊ ɛ ɔ /
<a ee i oo u e o>

I don't have much vocabulary or morphology worked out, so let's just say a sentence could look something like this:

ɳapkʰa fɔʈ pʰɛʈ͡ʂ kʰilɔŋ, guwɛ aⁿza ᵐbʊ ʂɪɖ͡ʐuni hanat. vʊla ᶯɖɔʈ sijagʊm ᵑgɔɖɛɳ da ⁿdatʰiruk.
Nhapka foth pech keelong, goowe anza mbu shijoonee hanat. Vula ndhoth seeyagum nggodhenh da ndateerook.

or reverse the C/Ch, since it looks like the retroflexes might be less marked, except /s ʂ/ <s x>

Napka fot pech keelong, goowe anza mbu xijoonhee hanhath. Vula ndot seeyagum nggoden dha ndhatheerook.
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Ambystoma's language

/ m n ɳ ŋ / m n n' ng
/ ᵐb ⁿd ᶯɖ ᵑg / mb nd nd' ngg
/ b d ɖ g / b d d' g
/ pʰ tʰ ʈʰ kʰ / p t t' k
/ v z / v z
/ ᶬv ⁿz / mv nz
/ ɖ͡ʐ ʈ͡ʂ / dz' ts'
/ f s ʂ h / f s s' h
/ w l j / w l j
/ r / r

/ a i ɪ u ʊ ɛ ɔ / a i ì u ù e o

ɳapkʰa fɔʈ pʰɛʈ͡ʂ kʰilɔŋ, guwɛ aⁿza ᵐbʊ ʂɪɖ͡ʐuni hanat. vʊla ᶯɖɔʈ sijagʊm ᵑgɔɖɛɳ da ⁿdatʰiruk.

N'apka fot' pets' kilong, guwe anza mbù s'ìdz'uni hanat. Vùla nd'ot' sijagùm nggod'en' da ndatiruk.
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Ambystomese:

/m n ɳ ŋ/ <m n n' ng'>
/ᵐb ⁿd ᶯɖ ᵑg/ <mb nd ndt ng>
/b d ɖ g/ <b d dt g>
/pʰ tʰ ʈʰ kʰ/ <p td t k>
/v z/ <v z>
/ᶬv ⁿz/ <mv nz>
/ɖ͡ʐ ʈ͡ʂ/ <ds ts>
/f s ʂ h/ <f sz s h>
/w l j/ <w l j>
/r/ <r>
/ a i ɪ u ʊ ɛ ɔ / <a i î u û e o>

N'apka fot pets kilong', guwe anza mbû sîdsuni hanatd. Vûla ndtot szijagûm ngodten' da ndatdiruk
ɳapkʰa fɔʈ pʰɛʈ͡ʂ kʰilɔŋ, guwɛ aⁿza ᵐbʊ ʂɪɖ͡ʐuni hanat. vʊla ᶯɖɔʈ sijagʊm ᵑgɔɖɛɳ da ⁿdatʰiruk.
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/ m n ɳ ŋ / <m n ñ g>
/ ᵐb ⁿd ᶯɖ ᵑg / <mb nt nd ng>
/ b d ɖ g / <b t d k>
/ pʰ tʰ ʈʰ kʰ / <p th dh kh>
/ v z / <v z>
/ ᶬv ⁿz / <mv nz>
/ ɖ͡ʐ ʈ͡ʂ / <j c>
/ f s ʂ h / <f s x h>
/ w l j / <w l i>
/ r / <r>
/ a i ɪ u ʊ ɛ ɔ /
<a i y w u e o>

I don't have much vocabulary or morphology worked out, so let's just say a sentence could look something like this:

ɳapkʰa fɔʈ pʰɛʈ͡ʂ kʰilɔŋ, guwɛ aⁿza ᵐbʊ ʂɪɖ͡ʐuni hanat. vʊla ᶯɖɔʈ sijagʊm ᵑgɔɖɛɳ da ⁿdatʰiruk.
Ñabkha fod pec kilog, gwe anza mbu xyjwni hanat. Vula ndod siakum nkodeñ ta ntathirwk.
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Nuosu

/m n ɲ ŋ/
/m̥ n̥/
/mb nd ndz ndʐ ndʑ ŋg/
/b d dz dʐ dʑ g/
/p t ts tʂ tɕ k/
/pʰ tʰ tsʰ tʂʰ tɕʰ kʰ/
/f s ʂ ɕ x h/
/v z ʐ ʑ ɣ/
/l/
/l̥/
/i ɨ u ə o ɛ ɔ a/ (ɨ = apical vowel / syllabic fricative)
/˥ ˧˨ ˧ ˨˩/

mbo˧ ma˧ mu˧ vɛ˧˨ dʑu˧˨ dʑo˧, ndzɨ˧ du˧ i˧ tɕʰɨ˧˨ dʑɨ˧ ʑɨ˧˨ mu˧ dʑo˧ sa˥. mbo˧ ɣo˧˨ ŋo˨˩ ŋgə˧ si˧ ni˨˩ bo˨˩ hɛ˧ ɲi˧ dʑo˧, di˧˨ a˨˩ bo˨˩ m̥a˨˩ zɨ˥ n̥i˨˩ mo˨˩ mu˧ dʑo˧ tʰa˥ ɕi˧.
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/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ñ ñg>
/m̥ n̥/ <hm hn>
/mb nd ndz ndʐ ndʑ ŋg/ <mb nd ndz ndr ndj ng>
/b d dz dʐ dʑ g/ <b d dz dr dj g>
/p t ts tʂ tɕ k/ <p t tz tr tj k>
/pʰ tʰ tsʰ tʂʰ tɕʰ kʰ/ <ph th ts tx tc kh>
/f s ʂ ɕ x h/ <f s x c q h>
/v z ʐ ʑ ɣ/ <v z r j w>
/l/ <l>
/l̥/ <hl>
/i ɨ u ə o ɛ ɔ a/ <i ih u eh o e oh a>
/˥ ˧˨ ˧ ˨˩/ <p t 0 k>

mbo˧ ma˧ mu˧ vɛ˧˨ dʑu˧˨ dʑo˧, ndzɨ˧ du˧ i˧ tɕʰɨ˧˨ dʑɨ ʑɨ˧˨ mu˧ dʑo˧ sa˥. mbo˧ ɣo˧˨ ŋo˨˩ ŋgə˧ si˧ ni˨˩ bo˨˩ hɛ˧ ɲi˧ dʑo˧, di˧˨ a˨˩ bo˨˩ m̥a˨˩ zɨ˥ n̥i˨˩ mo˨˩ mu˧ dʑo˧ tʰa˥ ɕi˧.
Mbo ma mu vet djut djo, ndzih du i tciht djih jiht mu djo sap. Mbo wo ñgok ngeh si nik bok he ñi djo, dit at bot hmat zihp hnik mok mu djo thap ci.

or

/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ń ŋ>
/m̥ n̥/ <ṃ ṇ>
/mb nd ndz ndʐ ndʑ ŋg/ <ƀ đ ƶ ɍ ɉ ǥ>
/b d dz dʐ dʑ g/ <b d ʒ r j g>
/p t ts tʂ tɕ k/ <p t c č ć k>
/pʰ tʰ tsʰ tʂʰ tɕʰ kʰ/ <ṗ hṭ hc̣ hč̣ hć̣ hḳ>
/f s ʂ ɕ x h/ <f s š ś x h>
/v z ʐ ʑ ɣ/ <v z ž ź w>
/l/ <l>
/l̥/ <ḷ>
/i ɨ u ə o ɛ ɔ a/ <i y u ẹ o e ọ a>
/˥ ˧˨ ˧ ˨˩/ <á ã 0 à>

mbo˧ ma˧ mu˧ vɛ˧˨ dʑu˧˨ dʑo˧, ndzɨ˧ du˧ i˧ tɕʰɨ˧˨ dʑɨ ʑɨ˧˨ mu˧ dʑo˧ sa˥. mbo˧ ɣo˧˨ ŋo˨˩ ŋgə˧ si˧ ni˨˩ bo˨˩ hɛ˧ ɲi˧ dʑo˧, di˧˨ a˨˩ bo˨˩ m̥a˨˩ zɨ˥ n̥i˨˩ mo˨˩ mu˧ dʑo˧ tʰa˥ ɕi˧.
Ƀo ma mu vẽ jũ jo, ƶy du i ć̣ỹ jy źỹ mu jo sa. Ƀo wõ ŋò ǥẹ si nì bò he ńi jo, dĩ à bò ṃà zý ṇì mò mu jo ṭá śi.
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Nuosu

/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n nj nh>
/m̥ n̥/ <hm hn>
/mb nd ndz ndʐ ndʑ ŋg/ <mb nd nz ndr ndj ng>
/b d dz dʐ dʑ g/ <b d dz dr dj g>
/p t ts tʂ tɕ k/ <p t c tr tj k>
/pʰ tʰ tsʰ tʂʰ tɕʰ kʰ/ <ph th ch thr thj kh>
/f s ʂ ɕ x h/ <f s sr sj x h>
/v z ʐ ʑ ɣ/ <v z zr zj gh>
/l/ <l>
/l̥/ <hl>
/i ɨ u ə o ɛ ɔ a/ <i y ae o e ao a>
/˥ ˧˨ ˧ ˨˩/ <á à a â>

mbo˧ ma˧ mu˧ vɛ˧˨ dʑu˧˨ dʑo˧, ndzɨ˧ du˧ i˧ tɕʰɨ˧˨ dʑɨ ʑɨ˧˨ mu˧ dʑo˧ sa˥. mbo˧ ɣo˧˨ ŋo˨˩ ŋgə˧ si˧ ni˨˩ bo˨˩ hɛ˧ ɲi˧ dʑo˧, di˧˨ a˨˩ bo˨˩ m̥a˨˩ zɨ˥ n̥i˨˩ mo˨˩ mu˧ dʑo˧ tʰa˥ ɕi˧.

Mbo ma mu vè djù djo, ndzy du i thjỳ djy (? - tone) zjỳ mu djo sá. Mbo ghò nhô ngae si nî bô he nji djo, dì â bô hmâ zý hnî mô mu djo thá sji.
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Nuosu:

/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ń/ni* ņ>
/m̥ n̥/ <mh nh>
/mb nd ndz ndʐ ndʑ ŋg/ <mb nd ndz ndr ńdź/ńdzi* ņg>
/b d dz dʐ dʑ g/ <b d dz dż dź/dzi* g>
/p t ts tʂ tɕ k/ <p t c cz ć/ci* k>
/pʰ tʰ tsʰ tʂʰ tɕʰ kʰ/ <ph th ch czh ćh kh>
/f s ʂ ɕ x h/ <f s sz ś/si* kh h>
/v z ʐ ʑ ɣ/ <w z rz ź/zi* gh>
/l/ <l>
/l̥/ <lh>
*_i,y/otherwise
/i ɨ u ə o ɛ ɔ a/ <i y u e o ę ą a>
/˥ ˧˨ ˧ ˨˩/ <´ ˆ Ø `>

Mbo ma mu wę̂ dziû dzio, ndzy du i ćhŷ dźy źŷ mu dzio sá. Mbo ghô ņò ņge si nì bò hę ńi dzio, dî à bò mhà zý nhì mò mu dzio thá śi.
mbo˧ ma˧ mu˧ vɛ˧˨ dʑu˧˨ dʑo˧, ndzɨ˧ du˧ i˧ tɕʰɨ˧˨ dʑɨ˧ ʑɨ˧˨ mu˧ dʑo˧ sa˥. mbo˧ ɣo˧˨ ŋo˨˩ ŋgə˧ si˧ ni˨˩ bo˨˩ hɛ˧ ɲi˧ dʑo˧, di˧˨ a˨˩ bo˨˩ m̥a˨˩ zɨ˥ n̥i˨˩ mo˨˩ mu˧ dʑo˧ tʰa˥ ɕi˧.
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It seems that Nuosu words kinda lack flesh, so perhaps tones can be marked in a different way:

/˥ ˧˨ ˧ ˨˩/ <á à a â> <á áh a ah>

Also, seems to match the toneme frequencies better.

mbo˧ ma˧ mu˧ vɛ˧˨ dʑu˧˨ dʑo˧, ndzɨ˧ du˧ i˧ tɕʰɨ˧˨ dʑɨ ʑɨ˧˨ mu˧ dʑo˧ sa˥. mbo˧ ɣo˧˨ ŋo˨˩ ŋgə˧ si˧ ni˨˩ bo˨˩ hɛ˧ ɲi˧ dʑo˧, di˧˨ a˨˩ bo˨˩ m̥a˨˩ zɨ˥ n̥i˨˩ mo˨˩ mu˧ dʑo˧ tʰa˥ ɕi˧.

Mbo ma mu véh djúh djo, ndzy du i thjýh djy (? - tone) zjýh mu djo sá. Mbo ghoh nhoh ngae si nih boh he nji djo, díh ah boh hmah zý hnih moh mu djo thá sji.
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Ambystomese:

/ m n ɳ ŋ / <m n ṇ ŋ>
/ ᵐb ⁿd ᶯɖ ᵑg / <mb nd nḍ ng>
/ b d ɖ g / <b t ḍ g>
/ pʰ tʰ ʈʰ kʰ / <p t ṭ k>
/ v z / <v z>
/ ᶬv ⁿz / <mv nz>
/ ɖ͡ʐ ʈ͡ʂ / <j c>
/ f s ʂ h / <f s ṣ h>
/ w l j / <w l y>
/ r / <r>
/ a i ɪ u ʊ ɛ ɔ / <a ii i uu u e o>

/ɳapkʰa fɔʈ pʰɛʈ͡ʂ kʰilɔŋ, guwɛ aⁿza ᵐbʊ ʂɪɖ͡ʐuni hanat. vʊla ᶯɖɔʈ sijagʊm ᵑgɔɖɛɳ da ⁿdatʰiruk/

Ṇapka foṭ pec kiiloŋ, guuwe anza mbu ṣijuni hanat. Vula nḍoṭ siiyagum ngoḍeṇ da ndatriiruuk.

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Nuosu

/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n ń ŋ>
/m̥ n̥/ <mh nh>
/mb nd ndz ndʐ ndʑ ŋg/ <mb nd nz nž nź ng>
/b d dz dʐ dʑ g/ <b d dz dž dź g>
/p t ts tʂ tɕ k/ <p t c č ć k>
/pʰ tʰ tsʰ tʂʰ tɕʰ kʰ/ <ph th ch čh ćh kh>
/f s ʂ ɕ x h/ <f s š ś x h>
/v z ʐ ʑ ɣ/ <v z ž ź j>
/l/ <l>
/l̥/ <lh>
/i ɨ u ə o ɛ ɔ a/ (ɨ = apical vowel / syllabic fricative) <i y u e o ẹ ọ a>
/˥ ˧˨ ˧ ˨˩/ <é ē e è>

/mbo˧ ma˧ mu˧ vɛ˧˨ dʑu˧˨ dʑo˧, ndzɨ˧ du˧ i˧ tɕʰɨ˧˨ dʑɨ ʑɨ˧˨ mu˧ dʑo˧ sa˥. mbo˧ ɣo˧˨ ŋo˨˩ ŋgə˧ si˧ ni˨˩ bo˨˩ hɛ˧ ɲi˧ dʑo˧, di˧˨ a˨˩ bo˨˩ m̥a˨˩ zɨ˥ n̥i˨˩ mo˨˩ mu˧ dʑo˧ tʰa˥ ɕi˧/

Mbo ma mu vẹ̀ dźū dźo, nzy du i ćhȳ dźy źỳ mu dźo sá. Mbo jo ŋò nge si nì bò hẹ ńi dźo, dī à bò mhà zý nhì mò mu dźo thá śi.
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
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This needs a romanisation:

Pinetree wrote:Something I cooked up last week:

Phoneme Inventory:

N m n ŋ
Pd p t c k
Pv b d ɟ g
Fd f s ɕ
Fv v z ʑ
T ɽ
A j w
Al l

V ɑ e i o u ɚ~ɻ̍*

Syllable structure:
C1V(C2)(C3)

C1=Pd Pv Fd Fv T A Al
C2=A
C3=N Al
if V=ɚ~ɻ̍, C1≠T

Allophony:
None concieved at this time.

*I used the vertical line above to signify syllabicity, seeing how the ɻ symbol descends so low as to obscure the vertical line below

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You know, you could ask politely and instead of rudely imperating us, but since I've got nothing smarter to do:

<m n ŋ>
<p t c k>
<b d j g>
<f s š>
<v z ž>
<ṛ l y w>

<a e i o u r>
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Pinetree's one:

<m n ng>
<p t c k>
<b d j g>
<f s sh>
<v z zh>
<r l y w>

<a e i o u ṛ>

More or less ElectorDark's romanization, but I switched the two <r> graphemes (I prefer underdots for syllabic consonants if I can fit them in without any ambiguity) and digraphs shouldn't cause any problems because of the syllable structure so avoiding diacritics is easier and there'd only be three digraphs anyway.
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Pinetreeian

/m n ŋ/ <m n g̃>
/p t c k/ <p t c k>
/b d ɟ g/ <b d j g>
/f s ɕ/ <f s x>
/v z ʑ/ <v z q>
/ɽ/ <r>
/j w/ <y w>
/l/ <l>

/ɑ e i o u ɚ~ɻ̍*/ <a e i o u r> [my reasoning is that the trill <r> will not co-occur in a syllable]
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Pinetreeëse:

/m n ŋ/ <m n ņ>
/p t c k/ <p t ç k>
/b d ɟ g/ <b d c g>
/f s ɕ/ <f s ş>
/v z ʑ/ <v z j>
/j w/ <y w>
/ɽ l/ <r l>
/ɑ e i o u ɚ/ <a e i o u r>
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Thank you, one and all. Also, sorry for being rude, Gamma.

I quite like Sangi's consonants, along with the latter two's treatment of my vowels, so that results in:

<m n ng>
<p t c k>
<b d j g>
<f s sh>
<v z zh>
<r l y w>
<a e i o u r>

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Nah, no worries.

So, how'd you treat /ɽɻɽ/? Just plain <rrr>?
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Elector Dark wrote:Nah, no worries.

So, how'd you treat /ɽɻɽ/? Just plain <rrr>?
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N m n ŋ
Pd p t c k
Pv b d ɟ g
Fd f s ɕ
Fv v z ʑ
T ɽ
A j w
Al l

V ɑ e i o u ɚ~ɻ̍*

Syllable structure:
C1V(C2)(C3)

C1=Pd Pv Fd Fv T A Al
C2=A
C3=N Al
if V=ɚ~ɻ̍, C1≠T
Simple, that syllable doesn't work.

Though /ɚ.ɽɑ/ <rra> is readable if not a bit funny looking.
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Yeah, my reading skills rock.
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Have I posted Qiang yet? I don't think so.

/p t ts tʂ tɕ k q/
/pʰ tʰ tsʰ tʂʰ tɕʰ kʰ qʰ/
/b d dz dʐ dʑ g/
/ɸ s ʂ ɕ x χ h/
/v z ʐ ʁ ɦ/
/ɬ l/
/m n ɲ ŋ/
/a aː ɑ ɑː e eː ə o oː i iː y yː u uː/
/ia iɑ ie iu ya ye au eu əu ai ei əi oi ua uɑ ue uə ui iau uəi uɑi/ + length contrast (maybe only in diphthongs?)
all vowels and {di|tri}phthongs contrast for r-coloring

Possible initial/final consonant clusters:
ʂ + p t tɕ k q b d g m dʑ
x + tʂ tɕ d dʐ dʑ k s ʂ z ʐ ɬ l
χ + tʂ q d dʐ dʑ s ʂ z ɬ l n ɲ
/ʂ x χ/ all voice before a voiced consonant, /ʂ/ = [s] before /t d/ and [ɕ] before /pi pe bi tɕ dʑ/

(note: where the original text uses <w>, I've used <u> + syllable break. it also has <j> but that can't be /i/ so I'm assuming it's /ɕ/)

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Kind of Polish for the sibilants, I'll see how this turns out.

/p t ts tʂ tɕ k q/ p t c cz ć*** k q
/pʰ tʰ tsʰ tʂʰ tɕʰ kʰ qʰ/ ph th ch czh ćh*** kh qh
/b d dz dʐ dʑ g/ b d dz dż dź*** g
/ɸ s ʂ ɕ x χ h/ f s sz* ś*** xh x ḩ
/v z ʐ ʁ ɦ/ v ż z rz h
/ɬ l/ lh l
/m n ɲ ŋ/ m nh** ń*** n**
/a aː ɑ ɑː e eː ə o oː i iː y yː u uː/ ä a̋ a á è é e o ó i í y ý u ú
Rhotic vowels are followed by r.
*s in a consonant cluster
**/n ŋ/ are n ng syllable-finally.
***Alveolopalatal consonants are notated as their corresponding alveolar before /i iː/, except /ɲ/, notated as n. An alveolar followed by /i iː/ is separated by an apostrophe.

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/p t ts tʂ tɕ k q/ <p t c r j k q>
/pʰ tʰ tsʰ tʂʰ tɕʰ kʰ qʰ/ <ph th ch rh jh kh qh>
/b d dz dʐ dʑ g/ <b d dz dh dj g>
/ɸ s ʂ ɕ x χ h/ <f s sh y x xh h>
/v z ʐ ʁ ɦ/ <v z zh gh hh>
/ɬ l/ <lh l>
/m n ɲ ŋ/ <m n/nhi n(i)/ñ ng>
/a aː ɑ ɑː e eː ə o oː i iː y yː u uː/ <ä ää a aa ë ee e o oo i ii y yy u uu>
/ia iɑ ie iu ya ye au eu əu ai ei əi oi ua uɑ ue uə ui iau uəi uɑi/ + length contrast (maybe only in diphthongs?)
all vowels and {di|tri}phthongs contrast for r-coloring <rh>

Possible initial/final consonant clusters:
ʂ + p t tɕ k q b d g m dʑ <sp st sj sk sq zb zd zg zm zj>
x + tʂ tɕ d dʐ dʑ k s ʂ z ʐ ɬ l <kr kj gd gr gj hk ks ksh gz gzh kl gl>
χ + tʂ q d dʐ dʑ s ʂ z ɬ l n ɲ <qrh hq qd qr qj qs qsh qz qlh ql qn qnh>
/ʂ x χ/ all voice before a voiced consonant, /ʂ/ = [s] before /t d/ and [ɕ] before /pi pe bi tɕ dʑ/

(note: where the original text uses <w>, I've used <u> + syllable break. it also has <j> but that can't be /i/ so I'm assuming it's /ɕ/)

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