Conlangery Podcast (Latest Ep: #94: Face and Politeness)

[Timmytiptoe]

It'll probably be up tomorrow.

Good news! I have something up today! (Video is acting up, so it's audio only. Also, some weird buzz is going on in the background) I don't know much about Avatar, but this bit has Jake(?) speaking English and someone else translating to Na'vi. Here it is.

[Ollock]

It'll probably be up tomorrow.

Good news! I have something up today! (Video is acting up, so it's audio only. Also, some weird buzz is going on in the background) I don't know much about Avatar, but this bit has Jake(?) speaking English and someone else translating to Na'vi. Here it is.

Thanks! That was one of the clips I was looking for. May cap it and isolate some of the interpreter (Tsu'Tey?).

[Timmytiptoe]

Sure, do whatever you want to it.

[Skomakar'n]

Listening to the first episode now. So scary to hear Bianca now that I've spoken to her twice before hearing any of this. Nice to have a familiar voice there, though. Feels a lot more personal. Is Tomás Torco?

It would be fun to appear on this if you would have me. I'm talkative, and it would be nice to get rid of all this Amurrican. ;3
I can't say I'm very professionally rooted in any of this, and my conlangery does not yield masterpieces, but I do enjoy it, and seems you're not getting too technical, as far as I can tell from the first episode. It's relaxed and you laugh. Really nice.

[Ossicone]

Tomás is indeed Torco.

I'd be happy to have you join but then I wouldn't be able to make up shit about Swedish.

And as long as they keep having me it'll never be very technical. XD

[Skomakar'n]

Tomás is indeed Torco.

Exotic indeed, then!

I'd be happy to have you join but then I wouldn't be able to make up shit about Swedish.

Go find yourself some tongue twisters where you can butcher the /ɧ/, and try to greet me with something incomprehensible, and you'll be good!

And as long as they keep having me it'll never be very technical. XD

That would help me, at least!

[Ollock]

Yeah, of course. We record Sundays at about 8pm Eastern Time (US). PM me with your Skype ID if you would like to be on.

[finlay]

If you want to include Europeans in your recordings, you might have to think about moving that time back a bit; for me that's 1am, and Skomakarn is an hour ahead of me.

[Ollock]

If you want to include Europeans in your recordings, you might have to think about moving that time back a bit; for me that's 1am, and Skomakarn is an hour ahead of me.

I'm pretty sure me and Bianca could handle moving the time. I'll have to talk to Will, though.

[Ossicone]

With enough notice I could accomodate an earlier time, but probably not on a regular basis.
Although you'd only have to stay up another half an hour at this point.

[finlay]

Yah, but I take it you record for something in the region of 1-2 hours and pare it down? Even at the length it is, it's 45 minutes. That'd take Sko up to 3 or 4am... and, y'know, I'm not sure what his sleep schedule's like.

As for me, I'd love to join you one day if you'll have me, but today I really have to get to bed early because I have to wake up at 7. It's now almost 1. This is fucking up my sleep schedule (basically, I've got a job, but only for two weeks, so I'm not used to getting up early). Also next Monday I'll probably be going to a funeral and may have to get a train at 7 to get there in time, in which case I'll have to wake up even earlier. Fortunately it's a part time job and therefore I can potentially catch up on sleep in the afternoon or something.

[Skomakar'n]

I'm usually up all night, though, so time is not much of an issue for me. If you do want to have me, and you want to do it soon, then I guess I should say that I'm going to Iceland for a week the 22nd, so in that case, it'll have to be in two days at the most, I guess. I'll send the PM, anyway.

[Ollock]

Episode 7 is OUT!

[Torco]

verb-noun compounds in spanish are not the root plus the noun. you put the verb in third person singular instead.

just sayin'

[Ossicone]

Blerg. I can't think of any with stem changing verbs...
Can you give me an example?

Also, I think you're going to have correct some stuff I said in later episode. XD

[Torco]

Correcaminos, Chupacabras, Sacacorchos, Picaflor
Ella corre, el chupa, ella saca, ella pica

as opposed to

yo corro, yo chupo, yo saco, yo pico
ella corría, ela chupaba, yo saqué, yo piqué

I don't know what the RAE thinks, but I figure its best to consider corr- as the root of the verb correr, as opposed to corre-, since the -e is part of the stems. same with chup- and sac- and pic-

[Ossicone]

I was thinking more along the lines of a verb like tener, where it'll be obvious which form is being used. Correcaminos could just easily be analyzed as infinitive minus -r. (That is to say, I think you're right but I'm curious.)

[Torco]

I was thinking more along the lines of a verb like tener, where it'll be obvious which form is being used. Correcaminos could just easily be analyzed as infinitive minus -r. (That is to say, I think you're right but I'm curious.)

For some reason, making a verbnoun out of tener, ser, or haber sounds a bit weird to me... Still, Tieneplata makes less noise to me as Teneplata, which keeps with the 'infinitive minur -r' rule.

[Ollock]

Thanks, Torco. I think I meant to say 3rd-person-singular but somehow it never came out that way.

[Ollock]

I was thinking more along the lines of a verb like tener, where it'll be obvious which form is being used. Correcaminos could just easily be analyzed as infinitive minus -r. (That is to say, I think you're right but I'm curious.)

For some reason, making a verbnoun out of tener, ser, or haber sounds a bit weird to me... Still, Tieneplata makes less noise to me as Teneplata, which keeps with the 'infinitive minur -r' rule.

Hmm ... maybe the verb-noun compound rule only works for more active or substantive verbs. I think of all the examples I can think of, the verb tends to be some sort of action, mental or physical.

cumpleaños - cumplir = to count
espantapájaros - espantar* = to frighten, scare
* yes, I know the way a scarecrow frightens birds is quite passive, but give me a little on this one
chupacabras - chupar = to suck

Torco, can you think of any that use irregular or shoe verbs?

[Torco]

what's a shoe verb?

and no, I was thinking about it and... not that I can think of... but I can make a few up that don't make so much noise. Envuelveregalos [someone who wraps presents, never heard it but sounds okay] or enciendefuegos [firestarter, again, ad-hoc]

yeah, I've heard a few. friegaplatos and follamadres. I knew they were somewhere in my memory.

[Ollock]

what's a shoe verb?

Oh sorry, just a term they use to teach us verbs that have irregular forms in 1PS, 2PS, 3PS, and 3PP -- because they make a "shoe-like" shape on the chart. Yeah, I know, stupid gringos.

and no, I was thinking about it and... not that I can think of... but I can make a few up that don't make so much noise. Envuelveregalos [someone who wraps presents, never heard it but sounds okay] or enciendefuegos [firestarter, again, ad-hoc]

yeah, I've heard a few. friegaplatos and follamadres. I knew they were somewhere in my memory.

Oh, I see. Glad that you could come up with some. I wonder if the board has other Spanish speakers that can think of more.

In any case, I think Spanish verb-noun compounds are a particularly interesting derivational process precisely because they use these inflected forms rather than bare stems.

[Torco]

Serafín aka Neqitan tends to know Spanish betten than me.

lol @ shoe verbs xD

[Astraios]

Envuelveregalos

Question: would that still be [r]egalos or would it become [ɾ]egalos?

[Ollock]

Envuelveregalos

Question: would that still be [r]egalos or would it become [ɾ]egalos?

Oh yeah. I imagine that would be "envuelverregalos". Can't think of another actual compound, but "puertorriqueño" is a somewhat similar example.