Conlangery Podcast (Latest Ep: #94: Face and Politeness)

[Torco]

Envuelveregalos

Question: would that still be [r]egalos or would it become [ɾ]egalos?

Oh yeah. I imagine that would be "envuelverregalos". Can't think of another actual compound, but "puertorriqueño" is a somewhat similar example.

yup, double r all right.

*shoots self in head for failing at his own lang*

[Ollock]

Envuelveregalos

Question: would that still be [r]egalos or would it become [ɾ]egalos?

Oh yeah. I imagine that would be "envuelverregalos". Can't think of another actual compound, but "puertorriqueño" is a somewhat similar example.

yup, double r all right.

*shoots self in head for failing at his own lang*

No, don't kill yourself. Then I could never have you on the show again

[finlay]

HMMMMMMMMMMMM, i had some comments for you but I have forgotten them.

[Ollock]

New episode up! Conlangery #08: Kinship Terminology

[finlay]

Heh, I'm now wondering what you'd think of Yaufułti's broadly phonemic but not phonetic orthography... for instance, the name of the language is [ˈjɑːu̯vuχθe], even though in English I pronounce it /jauˈfʊlti/... and the three words <tasi tazi tati> would all be pronounced [ˈtɑːdʒi]

[Ossicone]

Inyauk's spelling is phonemic. Variation is greater with the vowels though.

So:
iínyauk - 'the people'
/ i'iɲauk / --> [ e'ʔiɲauk ]

hádar - 'fifteen'
/ 'xadaɾ / --> [ 'xaʣaɾ ] OR [ 'xaðaɾ ]

tsákug - 'star'
/ 'ʦakug / --> [ 'ʦʰakʰog ]

tsákunig - 'two stars'
/ 'tsakunig / --> [ ˈʦʰakʰʊneɡ ]

tsákuug
/ 'tsakuːg / --> [ ˈʦʰakʰuːɡ ]

Personally, I kinda like it. The down side is you need a fair bit of knowledge to read the words right. (Like where a glottal stop appears.)

[Jipí]

I did a kinship system for my conlang once that went crazy on in-laws, although most of the terms were halfway transparently derived from brother/sister. IIRC it treated cousins and in-laws the same, more or less. I guess I should have a look at it again and decide whether I want to keep it or simplify it a good bit.

[Ollock]

Inyauk's spelling is phonemic. Variation is greater with the vowels though.

<some examples>

Personally, I kinda like it. The down side is you need a fair bit of knowledge to read the words right. (Like where a glottal stop appears.)

I actually did something similar to what Tepa does in Yeltax. /d/ and /g/ lenite to [z] and [ɢ] after a vowel, which is not reflected in the phonology.

Jed /dʒɛd/ > [dʒɛz]
sedala /sɛdala/ > [ʃɛzala]

However, I only do things like this if the language has allophones that do not occur phonemically. Otherwise the orthography will represent the realization.

I did a kinship system for my conlang once that went crazy on in-laws, although most of the terms were halfway transparently derived from brother/sister. IIRC it treated cousins and in-laws the same, more or less. I guess I should have a look at it again and decide whether I want to keep it or simplify it a good bit.

The Chinese system, as I mentioned has all cousin terms derived from sibling terms (which already distinguish by gender and age relative to ego).

[finlay]

Umpát is pronounced [ɨmˈbɑs], which I pretty much did just to be obtuse. (I can't even remember how to spell it properly myself; I had to correct it from Umbás and then Umbát)

[Torco]

I liked the podcast, and it finally motivated me to finish the Ieseleu kinship system. it's neat, it doesn't distinguish gender, but it does age.

[Latinist13]

The podcast concerning kinship terminology inspired me to create a kinship system that has led the people on ZBB who've looked at it to scratch their heads and say, "What....the....FUCK!?!?" (the creator, yours truly, reacted the exact same way, when he realized some of the implications...)

[Jipí]

I call ANADEW on that preemptively.

OK, I think this should be more sane than my previous draft (Warning: PDF). Also, yEd (with which I drew the PNG-file tree) is racist and geriatrist in lacking dark-skinned and old people icons.

[Ollock]

I call ANADEW on that preemptively.

OK, I think this should be more sane than my previous draft (Warning: PDF). Also, yEd (with which I drew the PNG-file tree) is racist and geriatrist in lacking dark-skinned and old people icons.

Yeah, I think you need to make it clearer where the Ego is. I couldn't find it until I looked at the vocabulary list on the "old" version.

I suppose we forgot to mention it's a good idea to arrange kinship terms into a family tree.

[Latinist13]

I call ANADEW on that preemptively.

OK, I think this should be more sane than my previous draft (Warning: PDF). Also, yEd (with which I drew the PNG-file tree) is racist and geriatrist in lacking dark-skinned and old people icons.

ANADEW? Are you sure? This is something I came up with in the shower just the other day. True, there are systems somewhat similar IRL, but none really quite like this AFAIK, tbh...

[Bristel]

Who is the third speaker on the podcast?

I know Ollock and Ossicone are one and two...

[Ollock]

Who is the third speaker on the podcast?

I know Ollock and Ossicone are one and two...

Currently our third host in William Annis. He's not on these forums, but he has his own blog, and he's active on learnnavi.org.

[Foolster41]

In salthan, "conlangy" could be done a few ways, and I couldn't decide which one was best, so here'a all 3.

EDIT:I did these wrong. Fixing now. fixed! Sort of. No matter what I do, it's biting off the begining of the first one, at least on my end. I'm going to try again later.

Dikaɘʃa in each is "welcome", and Ul- prefix is "inside of"

Dikaɘʃa ulkonlanȝali
(konlanȝali "Konlangee" transposed)

Dikaɘʃa ulsɘkdashaΘɘnai
sɘkdas-haΘɘ-nai
To build/put two things together-[word-PL] - "To build words" or "to build language"

Dikaɘʃa ultʃaΘoshaΘɘnai
tʃaΘos-haΘɘn-ai
"to mold/from-word-PL - "To mold words" or "to mold language"

[Jipí]

Oh please please please use real IPA :O There: [θ ə ʒ]

[finlay]

In salthan, "conlangy" could be done a few ways, and I couldn't decide which one was best, so here'a all 3.

EDIT:I did these wrong. Fixing now. fixed! Sort of. No matter what I do, it's biting off the begining of the first one, at least on my end. I'm going to try again later.

Dikaɘʃa in each is "welcome", and Ul- prefix is "inside of"

Dikaɘʃa ulkonlanȝali
(konlanȝali "Konlangee" transposed)

Dikaɘʃa ulsɘkdashaΘɘnai
sɘkdas-haΘɘ-nai
To build/put two things together-[word-PL] - "To build words" or "to build language"

Dikaɘʃa ultʃaΘoshaΘɘnai
tʃaΘos-haΘɘn-ai
"to mold/from-word-PL - "To mold words" or "to mold language"

also, you're in the wrong thread

[Foolster41]

Oops. Sorry.

[Ollock]

New episode: Conlangery #09: Formality and Register

[Jipí]

As far as I know vousvoyering your parents used to be the case in German and French as well up to like the 19th century. Also, God is most certainly du (familiar) in German, not Sie (formal).

[Aurora Rossa]

As far as I know vousvoyering your parents used to be the case in German and French as well. Also, God is most certainly du (familiar) in German, not Sie (formal).

Really? That surprises me, considering most theologians consider him effectively the king of the whole universe. I would expect the most honorific expression available if anything. You wouldn't get away with calling an earthly lord a familiar pronoun so why would a heavenly one have a laxer policy?

[Jipí]

Eddy, 'thou' used to be familiar, too.

[finlay]

As far as I know vousvoyering your parents used to be the case in German and French as well. Also, God is most certainly du (familiar) in German, not Sie (formal).

Really? That surprises me, considering most theologians consider him effectively the king of the whole universe. I would expect the most honorific expression available if anything. You wouldn't get away with calling an earthly lord a familiar pronoun so why would a heavenly one have a laxer policy?

You don't really understand religions, do you? Not that I care particularly, but it makes you look stupid.

You know, the Quakers in the 18th century apparently used to insist on the then-on-its-way-out 'thou' to refer to God, and since God was like equal to everyone or something, therefore to everyone else too. Apparently it kind of precipitated its eventual loss from the language because people didn't want to sound like they were Quakers by referring to people as 'thou' when they weren't.

and yeah, the formerly familiar pronoun 'thou' is still used to refer to god. it's kind of reinterpreted as archaic but it still stands.