Romanization challenge thread

[Vuvuzela]

Abnormal Language:

Stop: /t, k, kʷ, ʔ/<t k kw q>
Implosive: /ɗ, ɠ, ɠʷ/<d g gw>
Ejective: /tsʼ, tʃʼ, tɬʼ, kʼ, kʼʷ/ <c' j' tl' k' k'w>
Affricates: /ts, ʒ, tɬ, kx, kxʷ/<c j tl kx kxw
Fricative: /θ, s, ʃ, ɬ, x, xʷ, χ, χʷ, h/<f s ş hl x xw ķ ķw h>
Approximants or Voiced Fricative: /ð, z, ʒ, ɮ , ɣ, ɣ, ʁ, ʁʷ, ɦ/<v z y l ġ ġw r rw ḣ>
/a i u ø/ <a i u o>
/a◌̃ i◌̃ u◌̃ ø◌̃/<an in um om>

[sangi39]

A sample text would be nice to see if this works, but:

Abnormal Language:

/t, k, kʷ, ʔ/ <t k kw '>
/ɗ, ɠ, ɠʷ/ <ḍ ġ ġw>
/tsʼ, tʃʼ, tɬʼ, kʼ, kʼʷ/ <ʒ ǯ ʒ́ g gw>
/ts, tʃ, tɬ, kx, kxʷ/ <c č ć q qw>
/θ, s, ʃ, ɬ, x, xʷ, χ, χʷ, h/ <f s š ś x xw j jw h>
/ð, z, ʒ, ɮ , ɣ, ɣʷ, ʁ, ʁʷ, ɦ/ <d z ž ź y yw r rw ħ>

Vowels: /a i u ø/ <a i u o>
Nasal Vowels: /a◌̃ i◌̃ u◌̃ ø◌̃/ <an in un on>

Tone = acute accent, no accent, grave accent on main vowel.

As I've mentioned (either here or on the CBB), I tend towards heavy use of diacritics until I can see whether the syllable structure could adequately handle digraphs.

[communistplot]

Proto-Tankic

/m n ɳ ɲ/
/p t t͡s ʈ ʈ͡ʂ k q/
/b d d͡z ɖ ɖ͡ʐ/
/tʷ t͡sʷ ʈʷ ʈ͡ʂʷ kʷ qʷ/
/s ʂ ɕ χ/
/sʷ χʷ/
/r w ɽ j/

/i u e o a/
/ĩ ũ ẽ õ ã/

Sample Text:
/tin.ke wa.jam d͡zan.de bo χa.sʷi ãt.sum/

[Nortaneous]

/m n ɳ ɲ/ <m n nr ñ>
/p t t͡s ʈ ʈ͡ʂ k q/ <p t c tr cr k q>
/b d d͡z ɖ ɖ͡ʐ/ <b d j dr jr>
/tʷ t͡sʷ ʈʷ ʈ͡ʂʷ kʷ qʷ/ <tw cw trw crw kw qw>
/s ʂ ɕ χ/ <s sr c h>
/sʷ χʷ/ <sw hw>
/r w ɽ j/ <r w rr y>

/i u e o a/ <i u e o a>
/ĩ ũ ẽ õ ã/ <ĩ ũ ẽ õ ã>

Sample Text:
/tin.ke wa.jam d͡zan.de bo χa.sʷi ãt.sum/
Tinke wayam jande bo haswi ãtsum.

or

/m n ɳ ɲ/ <m n nh in~gn>
/p t t͡s ʈ ʈ͡ʂ k q/ <p t c(i) tz cz c~qu cc~cqu>
/b d d͡z ɖ ɖ͡ʐ/ <b d j dz jz>
/tʷ t͡sʷ ʈʷ ʈ͡ʂʷ kʷ qʷ/ <tou cou tzou czou cou cqou>
/s ʂ ɕ χ/ <ç s ch h>
/sʷ χʷ/ <çou hou>
/r w ɽ j/ <r ou rz y>
final -e after <gn cqu Cou>, final /e/ <é>. <ouou> reduces to <uou>

/i u e o a/ <i ou e o a>
/ĩ ũ ẽ õ ã/ <iñ ouñ eñ oñ añ>

/tin.ke wa.jam d͡zan.de bo χa.sʷi ãt.sum/
Tincoué ouayam jande bo hasoui añtsoum.

As I've mentioned (either here or on the CBB), I tend towards heavy use of diacritics until I can see whether the syllable structure could adequately handle digraphs.

he said in IRC that it's CV

[sangi39]

As I've mentioned (either here or on the CBB), I tend towards heavy use of diacritics until I can see whether the syllable structure could adequately handle digraphs.

he said in IRC that it's CV

Awesome, in that case:

Abnormal Language:

/t, k, kʷ, ʔ/ <t k kw q>
/ɗ, ɠ, ɠʷ/ <d g gw>
/tsʼ, tʃʼ, tɬʼ, kʼ, kʼʷ/ <dz dzh dl gh ghw>
/ts, tʃ, tɬ, kx, kxʷ/ <ts tsh tl kh khw>
/θ, s, ʃ, ɬ, x, xʷ, χ, χʷ, h/ <th s sh hl ch chw qh qhw h>
/ð, z, ʒ, ɮ , ɣ, ɣʷ, ʁ, ʁʷ, ɦ/ <dh z zh l y w r rw j>

Vowels: /a i u ø/ <a i u o>
Nasal Vowels: /a◌̃ i◌̃ u◌̃ ø◌̃/ <an in un on>

Tone = acute accent, no accent, grave accent on main vowel.

[sangi39]

Proto-Tankic:

/m n ɳ ɲ/ <m n ṇ ṅ>
/p t t͡s ʈ ʈ͡ʂ k q/ <p t c ṭ ċ k ḳ>
/b d d͡z ɖ ɖ͡ʐ/ <b d z ḍ ż>
/tʷ t͡sʷ ʈʷ ʈ͡ʂʷ kʷ qʷ/ <tw cw ṭw ċw kw ḳw>
/s ʂ ɕ χ/ <s ṡ y h>
/sʷ χʷ/ <sw hw>
/r w ɽ j/ <r v ṛ j>

/i u e o a/ <i u e o a>
/ĩ ũ ẽ õ ã/ <į ų ę ǫ ą>

/tin.ke wa.jam d͡zan.de bo χa.sʷi ãt.sum/
Tinke vajam zande bo haswi ątsum.

Unless nasal vowels only occur in closed syllables before a tautosyllabic non-nasal consonant (the sample is ambiguous in this regard since we have [an.] and [ãt.]) then:

Tinke vajam zande bo haswi antsum.

[Click]

Proto-Northern:

/m mʲ n nʲ ŋ ŋʲ/
/p pʲ t tʲ t̠ t̠ʲ k kʲ/
/s sʲ ħ h/
/r rʲ l lʲ/
/j ɰ/

/à ɛ̀ è ì ɔ̀ ò u/
/áˀ ɛ́ˀ éˀ íˀ ɔ́ˀ óˀ úˀ/

/mɔ̀nʲjáˀ àspáˀkòt síˀ àrʲóˀ t̠ɰɛ̀sóˀh ù jáˀmʲù ìrtɰóˀɰ/

[Pogostick Man]

/m mʲ n nʲ ŋ ŋʲ/ <m mm n nn g gg>
/p pʲ t tʲ t̠ t̠ʲ k kʲ/ <p pp t tt c cc k kk>
/s sʲ ħ h/ <s ss q h>
/r rʲ l lʲ/ <r rr l ll>
/j ɰ/ <y w>

/à ɛ̀ è ì ɔ̀ ò u/ <a è e i ò o u>
/áˀ ɛ́ˀ íˀ ɔ́ˀ óˀ úˀ/ <â ê î ô û>

/mɔ̀nʲjáˀ àspáˀkòt síˀ àrʲóˀ t̠ɰɛ̀sóˀh ù jáˀmʲù ìrtɰóˀɰ/
Mònnyâ aspâkot sî arrô cwèsôh u yâmmu irtwôw.

[WeepingElf]

Proto-Northern:

/m mʲ n nʲ ŋ ŋʲ/ m my n ny g gy
/p pʲ t tʲ t̠ t̠ʲ k kʲ/ p py t ty c cy k ky
/s sʲ ħ h/ s sy x h
/r rʲ l lʲ/ r ry l ly
/j ɰ/ j w

/à ɛ̀ è ì ɔ̀ ò u/ a e é i o ó u
/áˀ ɛ́ˀ éˀ íˀ ɔ́ˀ óˀ úˀ/ à è ê ì ò ô ù

/mɔ̀nʲjáˀ àspáˀkòt síˀ àrʲóˀ t̠ɰɛ̀sóˀh ù jáˀmʲù ìrtɰóˀɰ/
monyjà aspàkót sì aryô cwesôh u jàmyu irtwôw

[Click]

/m mʲ n nʲ ŋ ŋʲ/ m mʸ n nʸ ṇ ṇʸ
/p pʲ t tʲ t̠ t̠ʲ k kʲ/ p pʸ t tʸ ṭ ṭʸ k kʸ
/s sʲ ħ h/ s sʸ ħ h
/r rʲ l lʲ/ r rʸ l lʸ
/j ɰ/ y v

/Cʲj Cʲɰ/ Cẏ Cv̇

/à ɛ̀ è ì ɔ̀ ò u/ a ẹ e i ọ o u
/áˀ ɛ́ˀ éˀ íˀ ɔ́ˀ óˀ úˀ/ á ẹ́ é í ọ́ ó u

Mọnẏá aspákot sí arʸó ṭvẹsóh u yámʸu irtvóv.
/mɔ̀nʲjáˀ àspáˀkòt síˀ àrʲóˀ t̠ɰɛ̀sóˀh ù jáˀmʲù ìrtɰóˀɰ/

[Nortaneous]

/m mʲ n nʲ ŋ ŋʲ/ <m my n ny g gy>
/p pʲ t tʲ t̠ t̠ʲ k kʲ/ <p py t ty d dy k ky>
/s sʲ ħ h/ <s sy x h>
/r rʲ l lʲ/ <r ry l ly>
/j ɰ/ <y w>
/CʲV/ <CyV> /CjV/ <CiV> /CʲjV/ <CyiV>

/à ɛ̀ è ì ɔ̀ ò u/ <a è e i ò o u>
/áˀ ɛ́ˀ éˀ íˀ ɔ́ˀ óˀ úˀ/ <á ê é í ô ó ú>

/mɔ̀nʲjáˀ àspáˀkòt síˀ àrʲóˀ t̠ɰɛ̀sóˀh ù jáˀmʲù ìrtɰóˀɰ/
Mònyiá aspákot sí aryó dwèsóh u yámyu irtwów.

or

/m mʲ n nʲ ŋ ŋʲ/ <m my n ny ñ ñy>
/p pʲ t tʲ t̠ t̠ʲ k kʲ/ <p py t ty j jy k ky>
/s sʲ ħ h/ <s sy x h>
/r rʲ l lʲ/ <r ry l ly>
/j ɰ/ <y g>
/CʲV/ <CyV> /CjV/ <CiV> /CʲjV/ <CyiV>

/à ɛ̀ è ì ɔ̀ ò u/ <a è e i ò o u>
/áˀ ɛ́ˀ éˀ íˀ ɔ́ˀ óˀ úˀ/ <á ê é í ô ó ú>
/mɔ̀nʲjáˀ àspáˀkòt síˀ àrʲóˀ t̠ɰɛ̀sóˀh ù jáˀmʲù ìrtɰóˀɰ/
Mònyiá aspákot sí aryó jgèsóh u yámyu irtgóg.

or

/m mʲ n nʲ ŋ ŋʲ/ <m my n ny g gy>
/p pʲ t tʲ t̠ t̠ʲ k kʲ/ <p py t ty d dy k ky>
/s sʲ ħ h/ <s sy c h>
/r rʲ l lʲ/ <r ry l ly>
/j ɰ/ <y j>
/CʲV/ <CyV> /CjV/ <CiV> /CʲjV/ <CyiV>
/Vˀh/ <hh>, /Vh/ <xh>

/à ɛ̀ è ì ɔ̀ ò u/ <a ea e i oa o u>
/áˀ ɛ́ˀ éˀ íˀ ɔ́ˀ óˀ úˀ/ <aa ae ee ii ao oo uu>
/mɔ̀nʲjáˀ àspáˀkòt síˀ àrʲóˀ t̠ɰɛ̀sóˀh ù jáˀmʲù ìrtɰóˀɰ/
Moanyiaa aspaakot sii aryoo djeasooh u yaamyu irtjooj.

[rr]

/m n/
/p t k/
/f θ s ʃ/
/ɾ l/
/e i o u/
/ʲe ʲi ʲo ʲu/

[WeepingElf]

/m n/ m n
/p t k/ p t k
/f θ s ʃ/ f z s x
/ɾ l/ r l
/e i o u/ e i o u
/ʲe ʲi ʲo ʲu/ je ji jo ju

Easy.

[Pole, the]

Proto-Northern

/m mʲ n nʲ ŋ ŋʲ/
‹m ṁ n ṅ g ġ›
/p pʲ t tʲ t̠ t̠ʲ k kʲ/
‹p ṗ t ṭ c ċ k ḳ›
/s sʲ ħ h/
‹s ṡ x h›
/r rʲ l lʲ/
‹r ṙ l ḷ›
/j ɰ/
j y

/à ɛ̀ è ì ɔ̀ ò u/
‹a è e i ò o u›
/áˀ ɛ́ˀ éˀ íˀ ɔ́ˀ óˀ úˀ/
‹á ê é í ô ó ú›

Mòṅjá aspákot sí aṙó cyèsóh u jáṁu irtyóy.
/mɔ̀nʲjáˀ àspáˀkòt síˀ àrʲóˀ t̠ɰɛ̀sóˀh ù jáˀmʲù ìrtɰóˀɰ/

[Tropylium]

^^^That's just asking for being spiced up.

/m n/ ‹m n›; palatalized ‹w ð›
/p t k/ ‹b d g›; palatalized ‹v z j›
/f θ s ʃ/ ‹p t s x›; palatalized ‹f þ c q›
/ɾ l/ ‹r y›; palatalized ‹l i›
/e i o u/ ‹a e o u›
/ʲe ʲi ʲo ʲu/ ‹a e o u›

[Nortaneous]

/m n/ <m n> <my ñ>
/p t k/ <b d g> <p t k>
/f θ s ʃ/ <v dh s x> <f th ç j>
/ɾ l/ <r l> <z y>
/e i o u/ /ʲe ʲi ʲo ʲu/ <e i o u>

[Pole, the]

/m n/
‹m n›; palatalized ‹ṁ ṅ›
/p t k/
‹p t k›; palatalized ‹ṗ ṭ ḳ›
/f θ s ʃ/
‹v c s x›; palatalized ‹ṿ ċ ṡ ẋ›
/ɾ l/
‹r l›; palatalized ‹ṙ ḷ›

/e i o u/ and /ʲe ʲi ʲo ʲu/
‹a i o u›

Or:

/m n/
‹m n›
/p t k/
‹p t k›
/f θ s ʃ/
‹v c s x›
/ɾ l/
‹r l›

/e i o u/
‹a ı o u›
/ʲe ʲi ʲo ʲu/
‹e i ȯ y›

[rr]

/m n/
‹m n›; palatalized ‹ṁ ṅ›
/p t k/
‹p t k›; palatalized ‹ṗ ṭ ḳ›
/f θ s ʃ/
‹v c s x›; palatalized ‹ṿ ċ ṡ ẋ›
/ɾ l/
‹r l›; palatalized ‹ṙ ḷ›

/e i o u/ and /ʲe ʲi ʲo ʲu/
‹a i o u›

Or:

/m n/
‹m n›
/p t k/
‹p t k›
/f θ s ʃ/
‹v c s x›
/ɾ l/
‹r l›

/e i o u/
‹a ı o u›
/ʲe ʲi ʲo ʲu/
‹e i ȯ y›

Nice. I most likely will use both, for different dialects. I'll make a few changes.

/e i o u/
‹e i o u›
/ʲe ʲi ʲo ʲu/
‹é y ó ú›

There actually are voiced consonants in my conlang, but I have a specific method already picked out.
This is for Western Proto-Nretyan, a proto-language for Western Nretya in my conworld.

Western Proto-Nretyan
Pṙote-Nreṭene Vzestene
Próte-Nreténe Vzestene
Pɾʲote-Nɾetʲene Vestene

My most developed conlang, Modern Ikotan, derives from Eastern Proto-Nretyan, which is actually quite different. Eastern Proto-Nretyan developed in (surprise, surprise) Eastern Nretya.

In Modern Ikotan, this is:

Western Proto-Nretyan
Dene-Nretyane Ocident
дэнэ-нрэтянэ очыдэнт.
Dene-Nɾetʲane Otʃident

See the difference? Also, Eastern Nretyan languages have no labial sounds, with Theik being an exception, while Western Nretyan languages have no open vowels, with Kutorenian being an exception.

[Quantum]

/t tʰ d dʱ d̰ ɟʱ k g g̰ q ɢ ʔ ʔʰ/
/s ɬ z ɕ ʑ ɧ x  ɣ χ ħ/
/ɹ̥ ɹ ɹ̰ l̥ l l̰ ʕ̥ ʕ ʕ̰/

/i iː ɨ ɨː u uː/
/ə əː ə̃ ə̃ː/
/a aː ã ãː/
/wi wɨ ju wə wə̃ jə jə̃ wa wã ja jã/
/əɪ̯ əʊ̯ aɪ̯ aʊ̯/

[Click]

Easy-peasy.

/t tʰ d dʱ d̰ ɟʱ k g g̰ q ɢ ʔ ʔʰ/ t th d dh ḋ k g ġ qh q ˀ ʰ
/s ɬ z ɕ ʑ ɧ x  ɣ χ ħ/ s ł z š ž p x ł̣ x̣ ḥ ħ
/ɹ̥ ɹ ɹ̰ l̥ l l̰ ʕ̥ ʕ ʕ̰/ rh r ṛ lh l ḷ ch c c̣
/i iː ɨ ɨː u uː/ i ī ɨ ɨ̄ u ū
/ə əː ə̃ ə̃ː/ ə ə̄ ə̨ ə̨̄
/a aː ã ãː/ a ā ą ą̄
/wi wɨ ju wə wə̃ jə jə̃ wa wã ja jã/ wi wɨ yu wə wə̨ yə yə̨ wa wą ya yą
/əɪ̯ əʊ̯ aɪ̯ aʊ̯/ əi əu ai au

[Quantum]

Forgot to add a sample text:

/kaʊ̯χʕ̥iqjug̰aːdwɨqsəʊ̯tʰl̥adɣaɪ̯kχlãː qəʊ̯ kskwət/

...ɧ  ɣ χ ħ/ p ł̣ x̣ ḥ ħ
...ʕ̥ ʕ ʕ̰/ ch c c̣

Everything else is awesome, but no... just no.

Think I'd go along with:

...ɧ  ɣ χ ħ/ c ? ǧ ḥ ħ
...ʕ̥ ʕ ʕ̰/ ? ? ?

As well as have /ʔ ʔʰ/ as ʔ ʔh

Don't know what to do with / ʕ̥ ʕ ʕ̰/..

Any other ideas?

[Click]

Kauḥciqyuġādwɨqsəuthlhadx̣aikḥlą̄ qəu kskwət.
/kaʊ̯χʕ̥iqjug̰aːdwɨqsəʊ̯tʰl̥adɣaɪ̯kχlãː qəʊ̯ kskwət/

[Pole, the]

Behold the Latin syllabary.

/m n ŋ/
/p t k/
/f s h/
/w l j/
/i e o a/
CV(n)

/mi me mo ma/ ‹W w M m›
/ni ne no na/ ‹Y y N n›
/ŋi ŋe ŋo ŋa/ ‹G g Q q›
/pi pe po pa/ ‹B b P p›
/ti te to ta/ ‹D d T t›
/ki ke ko ka/ ‹C c K k›
/fi fe fo fa/ ‹V v F f›
/si se so sa/ ‹X x S s›
/hi he ho ha/ ‹H h A a›
/wi we wo wa/ ‹U u O o›
/li le lo la/ ‹R r L l›
/ji je jo ja/ ‹I i E e›
/n/ ‹z›

/janmeki jo lanan ŋilitoŋa | man meta noŋa ŋowon/
‹ezwC E lnz GRTq. mz wt Nq QOz.›

[Nortaneous]

/t tʰ d dʱ d̰ ɟʱ k g g̰ q ɢ ʔ ʔʰ/ <t th d dh ḍ j k g ġ q ĝ h hh>
/s ɬ z ɕ ʑ ɧ x  ɣ χ ħ/ <s ł z š ž ŵ x ḷ ǧ x̂ ħ>
/ɹ̥ ɹ ɹ̰ l̥ l l̰ ʕ̥ ʕ ʕ̰/ <rh r ṛ lh l ḷ wh w ẉ>
/i iː ɨ ɨː u uː/ <i ī y ȳ u ū>
/ə əː ə̃ ə̃ː/ <e ē en ēn>
/a aː ã ãː/ <a ā an ān>
/wi wɨ ju wə wə̃ jə jə̃ wa wã ja jã/ <wi wy iu we wen ie ien wa wan ia ian>
/əɪ̯ əʊ̯ aɪ̯ aʊ̯/ <ei eu ai au>

/kaʊ̯χʕ̥iqjug̰aːdwɨqsəʊ̯tʰl̥adɣaɪ̯kχlãː qəʊ̯ kskwət/
Kaux̂whiqiuġādwyqseuthlhadğaikx̂lān qeu kskwet.

[Haplogy]

What is ? My computer won't show the symbol, and a Google search doesn't help either.