Sound Change Quickie Thread

[Whimemsz]

...weird.

Anyway it's supposed to look like this

[Ser]

Well then.

...And then Apple prides itself of having good fonts.

[Nortaneous]

Isn't it also OS X that conflates x χ?

[Ser]

Isn't it also OS X that conflates x χ?

To be fair, the Trebuchet MS font also does that shit.

[Pogostick Man]

Isn't it also OS X that conflates x χ?

Those appear distinct to me, so I guess not. I'm thinking it's probably something Firefox-specific.

[Click]

Isn't it also OS X that conflates x χ?

Those appear distinct to me, so I guess not. I'm thinking it's probably something Firefox-specific.

I use Firefox on Win7 and those appear distinct to me.

[Pole, the]

Those appear distinct to me, so I guess not. I'm thinking it's probably something Firefox-specific.

It is for sure font-specific.
Also, using Firefox, you can set whatever font to be your default (unless the website dictates you one, which is not the case).

[Morrígan]

Those appear distinct to me, so I guess not. I'm thinking it's probably something Firefox-specific.

It is for sure font-specific.
Also, using Firefox, you can set whatever font to be your default (unless the website dictates you one, which is not the case).

Absolutely - whatever that font is, it sucks, get rid of it.

Use Linux Libertine, or Deja Vu, or even something from SIL - there are good options out there, but a font that conflates such different-looking glyphs is not worth it's bits in anything.

[Mystery]

How do I assimilate "Harry" in a conlang with the following inventory:

/p b t d ʈ ɖ k g/
/m n ŋ/
/f v s z/
/r l/
/a e i o u

I figured -arry should be /ari/ but I can't quite figure out the /h/ ... /k/ perhaps?

[Whimemsz]

If the language permits null onsets, another option is something like /ari/ (or /eri/, depending on the English accent you're representing)

[Mystery]

If the language permits null onsets, another option is something like /ari/ (or /eri/, depending on the English accent you're representing)

It doesn't; the syllable structure is C[V/N]

[tezcatlip0ca]

Maybe pull off a reverse Spanish with /fari/?

[gach]

If the language permits null onsets, another option is something like /ari/ (or /eri/, depending on the English accent you're representing)

It doesn't; the syllable structure is C[V/N]

Well how does the language assimilate vowel initial loans? Is there a default dummy onset that it uses for such words? You might try that in this case.

One real world example of such a dummy onset is found in the North Samoyedic languages which also only permit consonant initial words. They smack an extra /ŋ/ at the beginning of vowel initial loans to make them agree with native phonotactics.

[Mystery]

If the language permits null onsets, another option is something like /ari/ (or /eri/, depending on the English accent you're representing)

It doesn't; the syllable structure is C[V/N]

Well how does the language assimilate vowel initial loans? Is there a default dummy onset that it uses for such words? You might try that in this case.

One real world example of such a dummy onset is found in the North Samoyedic languages which also only permit consonant initial words. They smack an extra /ŋ/ at the beginning of vowel initial loans to make them agree with native phonotactics.

/j/ before /i/ or /e/
/w/ before /o/ or /u/
And deletes /a/

So, "Harry" would be either /ri/ or /jeri/?

[gach]

/j/ before /i/ or /e/
/w/ before /o/ or /u/
And deletes /a/

So, "Harry" would be either /ri/ or /jeri/?

Sounds perfectly OK if you are happy with it. If you are going to loan the word with first syllable /a/ but for some reason want to keep the syllable intact, to avoid monosyllabic homophones for example, you might consider putting a sporadic /j/ or /w/ there as well. You might also want to do this for longer /a/ initial words that would end up with illegally complex initial consonant clusters if you just deleted the /a/ and don't want to butcher the clusters too much.

[kanejam]

You could make like Russian and transcribe it as a /gari/. Is there a rule against /jari/?

[Mystery]

You could make like Russian and transcribe it as a /gari/. Is there a rule against /jari/?

There isn't; the approximants were added because /i/ and /e/ are palatallisive (?) sounds and /u/ and /u/ are rounded sounds, since /a/ is neither it's just deleted. Maybe I could add an approximant for dealing with the /a/? Namely the alveolar one.

[Nortaneous]

How do I assimilate "Harry" in a conlang with the following inventory:

/p b t d ʈ ɖ k g/
/m n ŋ/
/f v s z/
/r l/
/a e i o u

I figured -arry should be /ari/ but I can't quite figure out the /h/ ... /k/ perhaps?

I'd use /jari/ or /ŋari/

[tezcatlip0ca]

Similar question with no answers.

How would Mthaduri borrow something like [aja]? I don't want it to be a'i'a with three consecutive glottal stops, and asha seems too distant.

I’m borrowing foreign [w] as /b/, and [j] usually as a glottal stop when adjacent to something that would be borrowed as /i/. I’m not sure how [aja] or [uja] sequences can be borrowed into Mthaduri.

[Nortaneous]

Similar question with no answers.

How would Mthaduri borrow something like [aja]? I don't want it to be a'i'a with three consecutive glottal stops, and asha seems too distant.

I’m borrowing foreign [w] as /b/, and [j] usually as a glottal stop when adjacent to something that would be borrowed as /i/. I’m not sure how [aja] or [uja] sequences can be borrowed into Mthaduri.

You could always collapse vowel sequences: borrow [aja] as /a/ and [uja] as /ba/.

Also: are there any natlangs with a three-vowel system and no length distinctions?

[Mystery]

Similar question with no answers.

How would Mthaduri borrow something like [aja]? I don't want it to be a'i'a with three consecutive glottal stops, and asha seems too distant.

I’m borrowing foreign [w] as /b/, and [j] usually as a glottal stop when adjacent to something that would be borrowed as /i/. I’m not sure how [aja] or [uja] sequences can be borrowed into Mthaduri.

You could always collapse vowel sequences: borrow [aja] as /a/ and [uja] as /ba/.

Also: are there any natlangs with a three-vowel system and no length distinctions?

Rotokas, I think.

[R.Rusanov]

You could make like Russian and transcribe it as a /gari/. Is there a rule against /jari/?

Russian does that because early West Slavs realized g as ɦ in most positions, and Germanic loans went through their lands on their way into Russia, so it became tradition to reflect /h/ as /g/ in loanwords. E.x. "Gitler" for "Hitler". It's not like any a-initial loanword gets a "g".

[Nortaneous]

Similar question with no answers.

How would Mthaduri borrow something like [aja]? I don't want it to be a'i'a with three consecutive glottal stops, and asha seems too distant.

I’m borrowing foreign [w] as /b/, and [j] usually as a glottal stop when adjacent to something that would be borrowed as /i/. I’m not sure how [aja] or [uja] sequences can be borrowed into Mthaduri.

You could always collapse vowel sequences: borrow [aja] as /a/ and [uja] as /ba/.

Also: are there any natlangs with a three-vowel system and no length distinctions?

Rotokas, I think.

Rotokas has five vowels and a length distinction.

[Vuvuzela]

Also: are there any natlangs with a three-vowel system and no length distinctions?

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Marshallese.

[Click]

Also: are there any natlangs with a three-vowel system and no length distinctions?

Quechua.