Conlang relay [relocated] (aka "The Cursed Relay")

[TriceraTiger]

Also would the Anheshnalåks' script ever pass through an Adāta stage before going further westwards?

[Cedh]

Also would the Anheshnalåks' script ever pass through an Adāta stage before going further westwards?

No, I don't think so. Adāta belongs to a different cultural sphere - the Eigə valley - which doesn't have direct contact with the west at this time, while the Anheshnalåks originate from the west (so they may still be connected to their sibling peoples in some way) and are much more interested in the Xšali civilization.

Also, I agree with Corumayas that having the Tjakori script be used early enough to write Gezoro doesn't quite feel right (it's mentioned on the Gezoro language page, but that's probably just a side-remark without many conworlding thoughts having gone into it). It would seem more realistic to me if Gezoro was generally unwritten, so that the Tjakori script would start to be used maybe around -1000 or so. I guess it could then spread to the Dāiadak at any time between -1000 and -300 (probably not later though, because after that time there would have been some cultural pressure on the Dāiadak to adopt another script instead, e.g. the Ndok script). The Anheshnalåks would adopt writing around -500 (either the Tjakori script or whatever the Xšali were using at that time; I think both options are equally likely) and spread it to the Wañelinlawag soon afterwards.

Dewrad's script is probably the Adāta version, so the Western scripts could look quite different (although they'd probably work similarly if they're derived from the Tjakori script).

What do we know about the Xšali otherwise, besides the fact that they had a stable state society going fairly early on in Akana history, that their language had clicks, that they had writing in some form, and that they were just generally weird? There's surprisingly little on them and on the Tjakori (on the wiki, anyways).

I don't think this has been answered yet, but the truth is we basically don't know anything else. The Tjakori were originally just penciled-in as a name, and they haven't been developed any further AFAIK. With regards to the Xšali, I know that Radius Solis worked out quite a lot of cultural stuff about them, but he never posted it, and he may even have lost some of the information due to a hard disk failure on his computer a few years ago. He's not around here much these days, but you could try contacting him directly via a PM.

[Pole, the]

Kopoıves Lexicon's up.

[Cedh]

For the record: I've just updated the wiki to the current version of MediaWiki. It seems to be fully functional; if you encounter any errors in the next few days or weeks please tell me. The custom theme doesn't work out-of-the-box with the new version though, so I'll have to adapt it a bit. In the meantime, we'll have to be content with the standard layout.

[communistplot]

Both Forum and Wiki seem to be down.

EDIT: Both are back up now.

[Cedh]

For the record: I've just updated the wiki to the current version of MediaWiki. It seems to be fully functional; if you encounter any errors in the next few days or weeks please tell me. The custom theme doesn't work out-of-the-box with the new version though, so I'll have to adapt it a bit. In the meantime, we'll have to be content with the standard layout.

The custom theme should be working again now.

(I haven't checked everything, so there might still be some places that don't look like they should. If you encounter any layout glitches, please tell me.)

[CatDoom]

This goes out to Linguifex; I've been looking at Proto-Macro-!Etfãmuǝ:nłenian lately, and it seems pretty neat. I hope you come back to it eventually, but in the meantime I think I noticed a couple of errors.The orthography section implies that the language has dental clicks, while some of the morphemes later in the document have a phoneme written <y> (presumably meant to be /j/), but neither of these appear in the phonology table.

Anyway, like I said, cool stuff; I've been tinkering with some sound changes for a daughter I might develop after the current reconstruction game is finished.

[Pogostick Man]

This goes out to Linguifex; I've been looking at Proto-Macro-!Etfãmuǝ:nłenian lately, and it seems pretty neat. I hope you come back to it eventually

To God be the glory.

but in the meantime I think I noticed a couple of errors.The orthography section implies that the language has dental clicks

In the words of Marc Okrand, "I have make a mistake".

while some of the morphemes later in the document have a phoneme written <y> (presumably meant to be /j/), but neither of these appear in the phonology table.

That one isn't a mistake. *s lenites to *[j] around *e.

Anyway, like I said, cool stuff; I've been tinkering with some sound changes for a daughter I might develop after the current reconstruction game is finished.

Ooooooh, I can't wait to see it!

[Pole, the]

http://akana.conlang.org/wiki/Menlish

Whoa? Is Menlish gonna be spoken in Akana, seriously?

[Zju]

Yep, Menlish is a thing. I've got a few ideas I want to experiment with later on and akanawiki is the perfect place where I can keep what I've made so far.

Understandably enough, I got jankoed. Just in case you wonder what Menlish numbers are:

gra
gragra
gragragra
garagara
garagara
garagara
garagara
garagara
garagara
garagara

garagara gagr!

[4pq1injbok]

Surely a language of fifteen words shouldn't waste one of them on an autonym?

[Cedh]

Yep, Menlish is a thing. I've got a few ideas I want to experiment with later on and akanawiki is the perfect place where I can keep what I've made so far.

But it's not a serious naturalistic language, and thus it doesn't really fit in. I'd suggest you move it over to FrathWiki.

[WeepingElf]

Yep, Menlish is a thing. I've got a few ideas I want to experiment with later on and akanawiki is the perfect place where I can keep what I've made so far.

But it's not a serious naturalistic language, and thus it doesn't really fit in. I'd suggest you move it over to FrathWiki.

Seconded. Menlish is about as grossly out of style in Akana as the Radetzky March would be on a reggae mixtape

[the duke of nuke]

Mm... while it looks like fun, it's not even slightly in keeping with the naturalistic style of Akana and its languages, and the Akana Wiki is strictly for Akanaran works. I'd recommend storing it on FrathWiki or KneeQuickie, or on something personal like Google Drive.

[TriceraTiger]

Possible complete moron question-what's the singular of Lukpanab, or "person who faces the sea" in Proto-Lukpanic?

[Cedh]

Possible complete moron question-what's the singular of Lukpanab, or "person who faces the sea" in Proto-Lukpanic?

Number is unmarked on nouns, except optionally by a class of adjectival suffixes.

So both singular and plural should be Lukpanab. If you really wanted to be specific, you could probably form an ad-hoc singulative by adding the suffixed form of the numeral 1, giving Lukpanabisu IIANM.

[Pole, the]

How could a tentative language superfamily comprising Dumic [!], Mbingmik, Wendoth, Leic and Ronquian within the Mediundic stock be named?

[Dē Graut Bʉr]

Reconstruct the word for "two" in the protolang and you'll know it.

[CatDoom]

How could a tentative language superfamily comprising Dumic [!], Mbingmik, Wendoth, Leic and Ronquian within the Mediundic stock be named?

I've been thinking for a little while about a "West Tuysáfan" language family consisting of the Mbingmik, Wendoth, and Ronquian/Rompian/Northwest Tuysáfan languages. Since our reconstruction of proto-Leic is still in its very early stages I hadn't been considering including that family thusfar.

Including Dumic seems like a *real* stretch; the homelands for Proto-Mbingmik, Wendoth, Proto-Ronquian, and Proto-Leic could easily form a contiguous or nearly contiguous area in western Tuysáfa, possibly representing the more-or-less immediate descendants of the final wave of "Mediundic" settlers before the arrival of the Ultimundic canoe-people. Dumic, on the other hand, is literally on the other side of the continent.

I suppose the languages could be related if we presumed that they once dominated most of the continent, and were subsequently displaced from the middle by other language families, but the fact that most historical migrations in Tuysáfa seem to have proceeded from west to east makes it seem unlikely to me that a family would be displaced from most of the continent but continue to dominate the extreme west. I suppose much of the linguistic landscape of central Tuysáfa is still undefined, so we could add more languages to connect the West Tuysáfan languages with Dumic, but that strikes me as a bit... excessive.

As for the name... I have a proposal, but I'd rather not share it for now, since it would probably be a significant hint about a word in Proto-Ronquian.

[Pole, the]

How could a tentative language superfamily comprising Dumic [!], Mbingmik, Wendoth, Leic and Ronquian within the Mediundic stock be named?

I've been thinking for a little while about a "West Tuysáfan" language family consisting of the Mbingmik, Wendoth, and Ronquian/Rompian/Northwest Tuysáfan languages. Since our reconstruction of proto-Leic is still in its very early stages I hadn't been considering including that family thusfar.

Then, I think, you should know that some similarities between Mbi-Wen and Leic languages do exist as well, some of them already evident. (Believe me or not, those were created accidentally and then realized only afterwards.)

There is also an interesting case of the second person singular pronoun in the two relay families (in particular, Arósen Tayīgan and Rom wí Mhakh Thandim).

What tempted me to include the East Tuysafan Team 2 language family was the fact that:
i. Proto-Dumic was an ergative-absolutive language; Proto-Mbingmik exhibits similar features, so it could be a retention of an earlier, split-ergative stage;
ii. Proto-Dumic 1sg *ti and 2sg *ma could correspond to Pre-Wendoth *doh and *muhu; its two 3sg pronouns could be a simplification of the four-gender system seen in Proto-Mbingmik; (cf. also pronouns in Leic)
iii. there are similarities among the numerals, for instance: PD *miki "2" could be related to PMb men "1" + ʔiek "2"; with PD *kada derived from another root;
iv. furthermore, there are two /p/-numerals in Dumic: *pira "3" could be a cognate of corresponding Leic numerals, *pigi "5" could be related to PWen *peŋoʔ and PNWT *faŋ.

Still, I acknowledge that the connection could be too far fetched. Even with that established, the time depth would have to reach at least -7000 YP. (About the time Proto-Northeastern was spoken — and PNE is considered not reconstruable in-universe.)

In the attachment there is one way such “East-West-Tuysafa language family” could look.

[Zju]

I must admit I have attempted internal reconstruction on more than one occasion for PL. Now I have something to compare to!
And the forum is still down. I should copy everything relevant whenever it comes back up.

[CatDoom]

It could be a fun experiment, and not entirely implausible. If the Dené–Yeniseian can be taken as valid (and a number of specialists in the field believe it is), it provides a precedent for extremely geographically dispersed, non-contiguous language families outside of the pacific. Maybe one group of "Proto-East-West-Tuysafan" speakers spread rapidly but unevenly along the southern coast of the continent, while another spread inland to the northwest, or maybe the language family originated somewhere near the center of Tuysafa and nomadic groups spread out in different directions, which many or most ultimately being assimilated by other cultures on the continent.

[Zju]

Are there any descendants of Proto-Mbingmik? Or any lexicon?

[Neon Fox]

"Proto-East-West-Tuysafan"

"Pan-Tuysafan"

You've named it, I think it must exist now. :)

[vec]

Cedh and I are currently working on the common ancestor of Proto-Mbingmik and Proto-Rompian/Ronquian. Obviously we can't reveal anything about it because the reconstruction of PR is currently underway.

Note that you can't assume anything regarding PR from the choice of Proto-Mbingmik as a relative – the decision was made post facto – but I feel it is important that I reveal we made this decision since this discussion has come up. However, since PM is Cedh's conlang, he can make it as similar or dissimilar to PR as he wants.