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Author:  Nuntar [ Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:20 pm ]
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Author:  Radius Solis [ Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:04 pm ]
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Well, at this point there is no central repository of information, alas. Aside from this thread. There are details in various people's grammars' background sections, for those that have one. And if it helps, there are some maps that were drawn for the Ndak Ta era and the era of its daughter languages.

The Eige Valley, from a Huyfarahan perspective, circa +200:
http://www.almeopedia.com/index.php/Image:Huyfarah.gif


The whole continent, for the same time period, with the domains of the old relay's participants mapped out:
http://www.almeopedia.com/index.php/Image:Ranradius.png


Finally, there's a map of the Eige Valley from Ndak times, showing the boundaries of the ancient empire. Quaintly, all the features are labelled in Ndak Ta. Some brief descriptions of some of the other tribes can be found . For reference, Rathedan is the mountainous region where the Gezoro live:
http://www.u.arizona.edu/~bpawlows/temp ... re_map.png


Various other information is on the Almeopedia, none of it for any time period later than +200.

Author:  Nuntar [ Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:08 pm ]
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EDIT: and finished.

Author:  Zhen Lin [ Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:42 pm ]
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Author:  Radius Solis [ Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:19 pm ]
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NEW ADATA URL

http://www.deinioljones.net/conlangs/adata/adata.htm


Dewrad re-coded the webpage in addition to moving it to a new web host. So it looks different now. And a few errors were fixed as well, such as the former omission of /h/ from the consonants table.

NOTE: The new lexicon page merges the recent vocabulary extension into the original lexicon. But Dew hasn't re-done the things like irregular stress marking yet. He says he'll get around to it another time.

Author:  Zhen Lin [ Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:59 pm ]
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Author:  Corumayas [ Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:10 pm ]
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Hey, it's great to see discussion here again! There's a lot to respond to. For now, I think I should make explicit a couple of assumptions I made in working on Ghaf:

One is a fairly minor detail of chronology-- I took the Years of the Prophet to date from the death of Zarakatias (based on the Adata materials where his birth is said to be about 200 years ago but the map-- which unfortunately is no longer online-- was dated 130). Dating from his birth, Yiaf should be ~3000-3400, and Ghaf should be ~3600-3900-- as long as that seems plausible given the amount of change; I'm not sure how to judge that kind of thing.

The other is about geography-- I decided that post-Imperial Tharas/Fadah/Ferah was bigger than the original city-state, including at least one other Daiadak city-- Nitaze-- and probably also some of the adjacent region(s) beyond the Rathedan (such as, maybe, whatever of the arid region to the east and southeast could be irrigated or used as pasture).

If Aedhade and Athata share some innovations with Ayasthi, should they originate from adjacent territories?

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Author:  Zhen Lin [ Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:25 am ]
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Author:  4pq1injbok [ Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:39 am ]
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Much to respond to, as ever.

Zhen Lin: will the sound changes to revised Ayāsthi be available anytime soon? Also, when do you imagine the epenthesis of <ı> happened?

There is one more map I know of, the one of Rathedān opening .

It's an excellent idea to put some conworlding behind this project. I'm singularly uninspired when it comes to conhistorization, though; I've just been assuming by default so far that AhH sits there in the city-state of Khalanu and doesn't do anything worthy of notice (thus he-Heloun, and not ha-elsewhere).

Given that not a lot has been done tying the immediate daughters of Adāta together, I wonder whether we might impose some restrictions on new daughters. In particular it'd be nice if new daughters weren't totally independent of all those that had gone before, without good reason. Instead they should have a well-defined place within some dialect continuum into which Late Adāta degenerated, or at the very least show enough relationship to some other daughter that we can posit some early subgrouping and diffusion of innovations within Late Adāta and not just total fragmentation.

(If I were to make a first-level descendant of Adāta, it'd be an attempt to interpolate between old Ayāsthi and Aθáta, perhaps with hints of Æðadĕ, to fill holes in what's attested of Vulgar Adāta. I'd probably want it not to survive far past the +800YP timeframe.)

That said, Radius's and cedh's suggestions seem solid, as to how we can get more room.

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