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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 2:43 pm 
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Originally the idea was to add Category:Articles only to "finished" articles, in order to have a quick way to access what's canon. Since most of the wiki content has become fairly stable by now, and Special:AllPages can now visually distinguish between redirects and full pages, it's probably true that the need for such a category has diminished a bit...

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Is anyone doing work on Xšali right now? It seems like a part of the world which needs a lot of work on it, and we haven't even begun to think about what it'll be like farther south, or in between Xšali and Mrisaŋfa.

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AFAIK the only people who have ever seriously done anything in the Xšali sphere are Radius (Xšali itself, never fully published), Arzena (Shtåså), Vortex/Tiamat (Gaadràmarneš), and Zhen Lin (Vylessa), although the latter two languages are spoken closer to Mrisaŋfa than to Xšalad proper. As for further south, Legion once worked on a sketch for a language spoken in the savannah, supposed to be distantly related to Proto-Western, but he never published it. And there was once a reconstruction relay set in the far southwestern corner of Peilaš too, but not much came of this. Ask the Pole for more information about that one.

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Writing the next few hundred years of Fáralo history to try to bridge it to the new stuff about the Union of Huyfárah and Kasca. Does anyone have zompist's original blurb about the emergence of Wippwo? Is that in this thread somewhere?


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@Dunomapuka:

I'm currently working on (which has just gained some information about numerals btw), for which I plan to actually write a basic sketch grammar, and I've encountered a question regarding Proto-Lukpanic. The short syntax section there says that gerunds and locative adjectives follow the noun in early PL already, and in later stages of the language other modifiers also move to a postnominal position. My question is, how do nominal "suffixes" (in particular quantifiers, the demonstrative -ŋu and the accusative -li, but also the locatives) behave when there's a modifier after the noun? Are they true suffixes which always appear on the noun itself? If so, are they also copied to the modifier as agreement? Or are they clitics which appear on the last word of the noun phrase, i.e. only on the modifier if one is present?

Here's an example sentence: "The mother holds the sleeping baby." Which of the three versions below is correct Proto-Lukpanic?

1. (clitic)
ni-iŋi mu naəpal kpaənu-i=li
hold.tightly-HAB mother baby sleep-GER=ACC

2. (suffix)
ni-iŋi mu naəpal-li kpaənu-i
hold.tightly-HAB mother baby-ACC sleep-GER

3. (suffix with agreement)
ni-iŋi mu naəpal-li kpaənu-i-li
hold.tightly-HAB mother baby-ACC sleep-GER-ACC

And how would the object NP look if it's "all these sleeping babies (ACC)", i.e. with -mea-ŋu-li?

(My own preference would be clitics fwiw...)

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Sounds good to me. I can't syntax, so I think it is wise to go with your suggestion.

One note on morphophonology: the locatives, and also the quantifiers, do not cause a terminal /l/ to be "swallowed," unlike the accusative and demonstrative suffixes. So the correct surface form for "all these sleeping babies" is naəpalimeaŋuli, with epenthetic /i/.

Obviously, this looks like a good candidate for analogical leveling, so O Ayōndui, if you prefer, could use a reflex of **naəpaəmeaŋuli instead.


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http://akana.conlang.org/wiki/Huyf%C3%A1rah#History

Two new sections on Fáralo history. I've advanced it now into the early 1000s. There's some time to fill before Wippwo emerges from the muck, and I think this would be a good juncture for a major barbarian invasion to shake things up. Somebody outside the usual cast of characters maybe?


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I, too, second the idea of Isles peoples invading Kasca from the east. Well, maybe not invade but constitute a persistent and annoying pirating nuisance.


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1. Cedh: I found an old thread where you were discussing the descendant of Fáralo spoken in Sertek. Did you finalize the sound changes on that? I want to have the correct form for a name I used in the Huyfárah article. It would be the reflex of baoteka-laš "governorate."

2. A while ago, somebody (I forget who) did some work on Doroh, including a phonology. Where is that? I can't find it.


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I was actually going to suggest an Affanonic-sized case system; but perhaps that could be another dialect.

Doroh should preserve some reflexes of the PIsth. 'dative' prefix dza-, though it's not productive anymore: it's supposed to have locative adverbs that historically derive from dza-prefixed nouns. Something like zogøṛys 'by the goats', I guess (though maybe that's not the most likely concept to get lexicalized).

Another prefix that would produce this kind of alternation is the reduplicated grade in verbs. (And of course you can make up new prefixes, but I'd rather you use them for something other than case.)

Feel free to make up lots of postpositions. You don't have to use the same ones that Faraghin has; or you could use them, but with slightly different meanings.

(Comparing Latin and English prepositions is interesting in this regard. According to Wiktionary, these are cognates:
ad = at
in = in
infra = under
per = for
super = over
trans = through

but so are these:
ab ‘from, away from, out of’ = of
dē ‘from, away from, down from, out of’ = to! – though with a different vowel grade in PIE I guess?)



Looking at your map closely, it seems slightly weird to me the way the eastern dialect extends on both sides of the mountains there. Something like this would look more logical to me:


Or maybe this:


[Edit: or this, keeping the upland/lowland division...

Okay, maybe that's a little too much. I'm just tinkering with maps now.]

[Edit again: okay, one more.

This is your map plus my two vertical lines, giving a total of 7 dialects. Is that too many? I kinda like it though.]

Of course, if you really prefer your map you should keep it!


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:12 pm 
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I think Corumayas' second map makes the most sense (the one with four dialects).

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