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I wrote both articles, and forgot to update the one on the wiki when I last edited the one on the board. Also, the ZBB post includes languages which are yet to be derived, while the wiki lists only more-or-less finished ones.

I've just updated the wiki article, and fixed broken links in both versions as far as I could.

(And I've removed my own Aradŕy from the wiki list because I scrapped that one a while ago; I'm currently working on a different descendant of Erhadzy, tentatively called Orrótx)

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<tx>? I hope that's not Esperanto-style orthography there...

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Whoa, cool! Ghaf looks very well-described. I'm not sure the feel of the language is necessarily my cup of tea :P but I always appreciate seeing a skillfully done conlang, and this is certainly one.


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Incidentally, with all that mucking around with Adata I just did, I couldn't help but think of ways I would change it if I could. And so, of course, a sixth Adata daughter - provisionally named Pencek - is in the works. (I'd work on Puoni instead, but all my materials for it are inaccessible on the HD of a dead computer...) However, I'm not highly invested in Pencek and so it's an open question whether it'll end up on the real family tree or not. It is not (yet) an official relay entry.

The backstory will involve the spreading of Adata via Anaitist missionaries and colonists to the tribal Miw who lived in the backwater forest region between Rathedan and the coast. A Metis-style blended culture and ethnicity resulted, including heavy Miw influences on Adata, and the region remained a backwater for many more centuries, cut off from the more affluent civilizations. The speakers of Pencek call themselves Tactak Urkec - the "Forgotten Daiadak".


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I've made a surprising degree of progress with Pencek in a comparatively short time (usually it takes me months to get anywhere at all with a conlang, if I ever do, which usually I don't).

The last time I did so well was with Puoni; similarly, I experienced a quick spate of intensive conlanging and then gradually lost steam. What I'm doing right this time that I didn't then, is to in presentable format everything I do as soon as I'm reasonably sure it's finalized. Currently presented are background/history/dialectology, phonology, and morphology. Watch that space for the upcoming additions of syntax, sample text, and lexicon sections. Of those, as always, syntax will necessarily be the bulkiest, trickiest, and most time-consuming of sections. I've already written a goodly amount of it, but it may be days before I get it wikified (which is next on my list).



I have a good feeling about this. I am absolutely forbidding myself from allowing this to balloon into an unmanageably huge project with grandiose ambitions, which has long been Puoni's major obstacle. I'm trying to follow the famous NASA slogan, what was it? "Cheaper, Faster, Better", or summat. That means there will definitely be inadequate description of dozens of topics. Sorry; maybe I'll get to them later, but ruthlessly ignoring all the non-core material is what's allowing me to keep going so strongly.


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What is given so far is very interesting. The 1100th year of the prophet corresponds to about 300 years after the collapse of Athalē, according to my chronology. Perhaps I should expand my history somewhat, and also add samples of "mediaeval" Adāta (analogous to mediaeval Latin) in my revised Ayāsth.

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Argh, I must stop ignoring this thread for weeks at a time.

Let's see, what appears to be of consequence for my work on AhH? If Ayāsth is being revised, there'll be ramifications, since I've been borrowing moderately heavily and was intending more. And new Adāta words! W00t, though it'll eventually double my workload when they propagate up to me. Anything else?


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There will be changes to vowels (I've thrown out a lot of the umlaut, but I kept the /i u/ lowering to /e o/), as well as consonants at morpheme boundaries. For example, the name becomes [AjAsT1_X], gaining an ultrashort vowel. An example of the elimination of umlaut is [Ar\Az\eE~], instead of [Ar\az\eE~], and an example of the elimination of sandhi is [kA:lAhAx] instead of [kA:lAzAx]. Consequently, the frequency of [æ œ y] will probably decrease significantly (they will still arise from diphthongs, e.g. */ai/ > /æ/; */abi/ > /awi/ > /ay/; */abe/ > /awe/ > /aœ/).

One problem with the new Adata words... there are some consonant-final verbs, which Adāta does not seem to have a conjugation for.

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Ahem.

*cough* *cough*

Even though I'm no longer the relay coordinator, I'm going to pull rank and make a ruling:

Anybody is free to invent words in their source language whenever the author of that language didn't provide something you want to have. Publishment of such words encouraged but not required.

Derivers from small-lexicon languages (e.g. Ayasth) and their descendents, take note.

Okay, good. Now that's out of the way, let me go backxplain several dozen basic verbs into Adata that it didn't have even in the expansion... meh.


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Just posting to say that despite the extremely long time since i last posted, I've finished Yēt - in all its 34 page complexity :P. I'll upload it when I can get the server i use to work (which should be soon).


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