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Lots of people have diachronics questions, so let's put all the sound change quickies into one thread.


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What's the best way to derive a set of affricates along the lines of /tsʰ ts tɬʰ tɬ tʂʰ tʂ tʃʰ tʃ/?

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I have a rule in Kohanese that between vowels, consonants lenite (such as t>þ) but that they do not do so after a stressed vowel. Plausible?


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That's pretty much the exact condition for Verner's Law, except initial consonants resisted Verner's Law, so it's definitely plausible.

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I have a language that doesn't allow /w j/ in codas; if they end up there, they become vowels and diphthongize the preceding vowel, so /aj/ becomes /a͡i/. However, diphthongs only form when the second vowel is higher, and so I'm not sure what to do with /iw/ and /uy/. Are /ju/ and /wi/, respectively, plausible developments?

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Definitely. Middle English /ew/, /iw/ > Modern English /ju/, for example.

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Would it be reasonable to change a vowel pharyngealization contrast into tone?

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How realistic is */r ʀ/ :> /d g/? What about */ð/ :> /ɣ/?


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Is it at all plausible to have a series of palatals but no velars (except allophonically)? If so, how might it come about? Fronting of velars?

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