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Author:  Legion [ Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:56 am ]
Post subject:  Conlang relay [relocated] (aka "The Cursed Relay")



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Author:  Radius Solis [ Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:08 am ]
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Author:  Legion [ Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:15 pm ]
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Okay, here is the first avalaible material on Kozado (contains : phonology and partial nominal morphology).

http://thelegion.free.fr/kozado.htm

Author:  Zhen Lin [ Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:37 pm ]
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Hmm, interesting premise, though I see two minor problems:
1. Geographic overlap with Mavakhalan (assuming the two are in the same time period)
2. The ±palatal distinction of Mavakhalan is fairly recent and only arose after a fall of the yers analogue, which I estimate to be approximately 400 years after Adāta.

Also, I note that this would be the sole direct descendant of Adāta that does not have enclitic possessive pronouns.

Author:  Legion [ Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:28 pm ]
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Author:  Corumayas [ Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:56 pm ]
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Wow! There's a lot of exciting development going on in this project right now. This is really cool.

I'd love to work on a daughter or granddaughter of Faralo, or revisit and expand Ghaf; but since this cursed relay finished off my computer I have limited computer access. I'm watching with interest though! And maybe I'll join in again later.

Author:  Legion [ Fri Apr 06, 2007 2:00 pm ]
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http://thelegion.free.fr/kozado.htm

Updated ; I extented nominal morphology and did most of verbal morphology.

Author:  Zhen Lin [ Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:10 am ]
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I'm still working on the grammar, but the text and lexicon for Mavakhalan are final, I hope.

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Author:  Legion [ Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:24 pm ]
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Author:  Cedh [ Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:21 am ]
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The phonology of is complete!

(I may still change the orthography, and possibly fine-tune some allophony rules, but most of it can be considered final. I'll also have to work out some conhistory to name the notorious "some dialects" :))

@ Zhen Lin: I hope you don't mind me recycling your css file...

Author:  Zhen Lin [ Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:47 am ]
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Author:  Cedh [ Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:40 pm ]
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Author:  TzirTzi [ Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:11 pm ]
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So, Yēt ( /jE:Ot/ ) is going well - phonology is finished except for phonotactics, and noun declension is finished. However, I've lost my pdf maker.. so I'll have to post it in .doc for now.

So for those who can read it - .

Author:  kodé [ Tue May 08, 2007 4:15 pm ]
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I've started uploading. This may take a while, so don't hold your breath.

Seriously, my website doesn't have insurance to cover that.

*tumbleweed blows by*

Alright, here it is :

Author:  4pq1injbok [ Fri May 11, 2007 12:34 am ]
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Good to see this is still going -- last time I was active on the ZBB it looked moribund. Anyway, I anticipate having some time upcomingly so would very much like to take part. I don't particularly mind where in the tree I go, but somewhere with a big and undepleted lexicon would be nice.

I've always liked this sort of game: four of the langs at of the same thing are mine.

Author:  Cedh [ Fri May 11, 2007 4:59 am ]
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Author:  4pq1injbok [ Wed May 16, 2007 5:56 am ]
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I should confirm that I've started to think about a descendant of Mavakhalan: i.e. if there's someone out there maintaining a tree of the project, stick me in it. Got the phonology mostly worked out, consonants and tone(!) at least, and some plans for the verbal system.

Author:  Radius Solis [ Thu May 17, 2007 8:40 pm ]
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Just a taster... I'm sorry, I can't help it. My lexicon has turned out quite Romance-esque in some ways. And very vocalic. There's a great number of words in the dictionary I'm finding aesthetically beautiful, so.... just for a sampling, here's a few of them.


alazia -- a birch tree
reuemio -- a ford, or shallow place in a river
tiliozo -- a principle or conviction
uateua -- a handle. Derived etymologically from "snake-tail".
uestir -- a criminal
zinieze -- a chemical solvent. Derived from "clean-wine"
tiatrei -- a shirt or tunic
sercaio -- an emperor
paogua -- a naval commander
otromea -- the study of alchemy
metraco -- a shoe
loleaca -- a ring
fuilian -- teamwork, cooperation
dioma -- glass



<c> = /ts)/. The rest is all pretty close to IPA values (but /i u/ are often [j w]).

Author:  Zhen Lin [ Fri May 18, 2007 5:16 am ]
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Author:  Radius Solis [ Fri May 18, 2007 7:08 am ]
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Author:  Radius Solis [ Fri May 18, 2007 6:17 pm ]
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I'm cutting corners to be able to meet my self-imposed deadline... don't worry, I'll uncut them later. First off here's a Incomplete, but it should be enough for someone starting to derive from it if anyone's going to. More has been written but not wikified yet, and a lot more still needs to be written, but... good enough for right now. I'm aware it needs a lot more examples, I'll get to them.

I'm probably first going to just stick a .txt of the lexicon up and work on HTMLizing it into a pretty dictionary later; my task now is the text.

Author:  Legion [ Sat May 19, 2007 12:38 am ]
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Cool stuff you got there !

Interestingly, Puoni default word order is identical to the word order Kozado uses in non-declarative sentences with an auxiliary construction, that is : AUX - S - O - main verb

Compare :


Puoni (I hope I didn't make mistakes) :

Peni neca gui kreota
AUX-PAST-3sg.3sg knife take
The wife took a knife


Kozado :

Zu o ze ñire ša tozio avleža
PRVB.REL-CLAUSE be.PFV.SG the wife a knife take-VN
The wife who took a knife


Interrestingly, "neca" and "ñire" are cognates, ultimatly from Ndak Ta "netrai".

Author:  Zhen Lin [ Sat May 19, 2007 3:29 am ]
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Interesting. An auxiliary-oriented verbal system... (I see the future auxilliary, none, appears to be cognate with the verb to go? This particular word seems to have a particularly stable phonological form of alveolar/dental nasal + vowel + alveolar/dental nasal.) What is the motivation for the main verbs being placed at the end, as opposed to, say, after the subject like a participle?

As for Mavakhalan, the word order for sentences with main and auxilliary verbs is reversed, e.g.:

za-ôvlêję aśjênnêrê nož roþę
after-take-VN GEN-DEF;SG;ACC-woman knife IND-be-AOR;SG
"the woman had taken a knife"
(perfect of result, past tense)

Alternatively,
źnêrê ropę za-ôvlêjenaka nož
DEF;SG;NOM-woman IND-sit-AOR;SG after-take-VN-3SG knife

Or even with two full verbs:
źnêrê ropę za-rôvlą nož
DEF;SG;NOM-woman IND-sit-AOR;SG after-IND-take-AOR;SG knife

Also, a note for 4pq1injbok, I've just noticed that some fine-tuning I made to the sound changes has created a new declension class. This necessitates some changes to the various examples.

Author:  Legion [ Sat May 19, 2007 5:06 am ]
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