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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:27 pm 
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Well, if it wasn't it'd be impossible to write in Korean script...


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:38 am 
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Yeah but like way too similar.

And they manage to write Cia-Cia in Hangeul so it can't be that hard.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:37 am 
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Really that similar to Korean pronunciation?

I thought Rangyayo would be somehow between Japanese and Korean overall (leaning towards Japanese as the phonotactics of native Rangyan words are usually CVCV) with a taste of Cantonese for Sino-Rangyan words (CVC-CVC).

This is an audio sample of Rangyayo on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayVrS-Wkizo

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:30 am 
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Uh I thought so anyway. I mean the phonemes are all Korean and the phonotactics is very similar too, and the final allophones. The differences: it's missing the [ɦ] allophone of /h/, the phoneme /ʌ/, it doesn't distinguish /e/ and /ɛ/ and the voicing series aren't quite the same. And it has falling diphthongs. And the syllabic nasals. It seems the diphthongs are something different but really you're expressing them in a different way from which Korean phonology would normally be expressed. Your /ui/ must be the parallel to /ɰi/ though.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 4:25 am 
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The very first learning card presented by the Ministry of Language, Education, Science and Technology of the Kingdom of Rangya.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:43 am 
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The 2nd learning card presented by the Ministry of Language, Education, Science and Technology of the Kingdom of Rangya (Rangya Wangkok Mun-ko-khwa-gi Bu).


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 8:31 pm 
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The second audio sample of Rangyayo:



This audio sample is a Chinese poem Qing Yu An (青玉案) read aloud in Sino-Rangyan pronunciations, which is written by Xin Qi Ji (辛棄疾) in Song dynasty.
The poem shown in the video should be read from top to bottom, right to left (the traditional oriental writing direction).
The Yenmun (or Korean Hangul) on the right side of the Hanji (or Chinese characters) mark the Sino-Rangyan pronunciation of each Hanji.

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Here is the Romaji (Romanization) of the poem:
And the English translation of the poem is in brackets:

Cheng-yok-an Wen-zek Shin Khi-jit

Tung-pung Ya-pang Hwa-chen-zyu, Kang-chui-rak, Seng-yo-yu
------ (night lights a thousand trees in bloom; a shower of stars blown; by the east wind)

Po-ma-tyo-kyo Hang-man-ru
------ (ornate carriages drawn by gallant horses; filled the boulevards with a sweet fragrance)

Bung-syo-seng-dung, Yok-hu-kwang-tsen, It-ya-yo-rong-myu
------ (voice of the magic flute flowing; luster of the jade white urn turning; all night the fishes and the dragons danced)

A-i-set-ryu Hwang-kim-ryu, Syo-yo-yeng-yeng am-hang-khyo
------ (butterflies, willows, charms of gold gone -- that angelic laughter, that subtle perfume)

Tsung-ri-zim-tha Chen-pak-du
------ (in the crowds for her I'd searched a thousand times)

Mak-yen hwai-syu, na-in-khak-jai, tüng-hwa-ran-san-chyo
------ (perchance I turned; and there she was; where lights were few and dim)

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:37 am 
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Rangyan Body Parts: Face
琅野語두体두部份・顔


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琅野語두体두部份・身


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Why so many words that start with <b>?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:29 am 
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This is an awesome language :D The sound is the best part of Rangyayo!
By the way, is the kingdom a constitutional or absolute monarchy?


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:20 pm 
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Google Rangya



(I made the screenshot smaller)

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:01 pm 
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So much white space... does it really need to be that big? (the image is as big as my screen!)


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I like it! :)

It looks like Google Korea had a lovechild with Google Japan.

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A couple of questions I don't think I've ever asked about this:
Does Korean ever do this sort of mixed-logographic style of writing with Hanja? Or is it really just an oddity limited to Japan nowadays? Did Korean ever do the mixed-logographic style, indeed, or was it always purely Hanja? In that sense, is Rangyan a sort of exploration of what that might look like, to some extent?

Do you have like an equivalent of the kunyomi and onyomi in Japanese, making your characters a nightmare to learn?

What about the name of the language/country itself? Is it [raŋjajo] or [ranɟajo] (it's just I've always read it the second way and have only just realised that it's probably not that!) As for the English translation, why is it from the same root? It's just that I might for a second draw your attention to the fact that neither China nor Korea nor Japan takes its English name from the native roots, something like Zhongguo, Hanguk and Nihon respectively; rather we take the root of an old dynasty or the name given to the place by another region. Places like Taiwan and Vietnam where we use the same name as they do are comparatively rare.


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