Sound Change Quickie Thread

[Daedolon]

How could you go from /χʷ/ to /v/ ?

[Matrix]

/χʷ/ > /χw/ > /hw/ > /w/ > /v/

[Porphyrogenitos]

Or, alternately, /χʷ/ → /kʷ/ → /gʷ/ → /w/ → /v/.

Or just /χʷ/ → /ʍ/ → /w/ → /v/.

[WeepingElf]

Or just /χʷ/ → /ʍ/ → /w/ → /v/.

Happened in German.

[vokzhen]

You can also probably go /χʷ/ → /ʁʷ/ → /w/ → /v/. It's probably more likely if there's other fricatives that voice as well, but I'm not sure it's necessary. As far as I've seen voicing in consonants farther back than velar tends to be relatively unstable, and more unstable the farther back you go. From what I can tell it does tend to favor voicelessness, but I'm pretty sure I've seen spontaneous voicing as well.

[احمکي ارش-ھجن]

Is it possible for /z/ to assimilate into /ʝ/ near another /ʝ/?
I find it extremely difficult, to near impossible to produce /zʝ/, or vice versa, without it assimilating to /ʝʝ/.

Such a phenomenon can be found in one of the reflexive reflexive patterns, hazCūCaC, when you input root ẕ-n-j to get hazẕūnaj.

I alternatively thought of replacing the <z> in my reflexive forms with <k> but then I face the same problem with /kX/ and /Xk/ with the latter being likely /Xq/, but still impractically difficult to pronounce.
I dunno what to do about anything.

Both problems could be solved by having it be <t>, but I don't want to outright copy the Semitic languages for a reflexive infix like that.

[Matrix]

I can pronounce /zʝ/ and /ʝz/ just fine. Perhaps more practice is in order?

[vokzhen]

I don't find either particularly hard myself, but assimilation is probably still likely, as they're close both acoustically and physiologically (probably similar - but not quite a strong - as /zʑ/, etc). If you want them merged there's good reasons, but if you don't, don't feel like you need to.

[Nortaneous]

the Arabic definite article has a lot more assimilation than that, so why not

[TaylorS]

Is /ɫ/ > /ʁ/ attested? It seems like a very easy change to me, but I just want to be sure.

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Armenian

[StrangerCoug]

Is /b d ɡ/ /v z ɣ/ /ʋ ɹ ɰ/ /w/ attested?

[finlay]

go for it

[CatDoom]

That sounds amazing!

"I need a doggie bag" [aɪ nid ə dɒɡi bæɡ] > [aɪ niw ə wɒwi wæw]

[احمکي ارش-ھجن]

What are environment where allophonic implosives could develop, preferrably voiced stops.
I don't have ejectives, but I have stop+glottal stop clusters.

[Dē Graut Bʉr]

/bʔ/ > /ɓ/.

[احمکي ارش-ھجن]

/bʔ/ > /ɓ/.

I figured that.

[8Deer]

I seem to remember a language where voiced plosives are pronounced as implosive word-initially.

[Nannalu]

Would *n > l and *ŋ > n be possible?

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Both changes are attested from multiple languages so I don't see why not.

[Tiamat]

Alright so I did some more research and it seems like (even though this is partially disputed by some people on the board) that the creation of voiceless aspirates took place on the Proto-Indo-Iranian level. Now my Proto-Karasuk is spoken by Proto-Samoyedic speakers (and maybe the altaic languages and proto-tocharian), and I want to have some influence from Proto-Samoyedic. So far I have some influence in borrowing /l/ and /ŋ/ but also losing word initial /r/ and regaining /e/ and /o/. Because proto-Samoyedic only has one stop series, would it be more realistic to have the voiceless aspirates to collapse into the normal voiceless stops like the voice aspirates did, or would it be fine to keep them separate to have them collapse at a later date when the samoyedic and turkic influence get stronger?

Also is this sound change fine? (P = any voiceless plosive)
hP > P^h / #_
hP > hP / elsewhere

[Bristel]

In my PIE-ish conlang, the included velar nasals pattern like the other velar consonants /ŋ ŋʲ ŋʷ/. In addition there is a lateral fricative, /ɬ/, which can be syllabic.

What are some interesting sounds that these can turn into? I think that a palatalized velar nasal versus a labialized velar nasal might give some interesting new phonemes in a daughterlang.

[Pogostick Man]

Syllabic *ɬ → l̩ → u
*Vŋʷ *Vŋʲ → Ṽw Ṽj
*ɬ → sibilant harmony
*ɬ → tɬ → t (or dɮ → d)
*ɬ → l → ʕ (or → a if syllabic)
*ŋʷ *ŋʲ → m j
*ŋʷ *ŋʲ affect the POA or rounding of an adjacent vowel and then collapse into ŋ
*ŋ *ŋʷ *ŋʲ → g gʷ ɟ
Nasals nasalize vowels and then drop, and the vowels subsequently dipthongize and possibly lose nasality
*ŋʷ *ŋʲ → w̃ j̃

[Nortaneous]

*ɬ̩ > əɬ or ɬə
*ɬ̩ > Vl or lV, where V is some vowel that agrees in some feature with some adjacent vowel
*ɬ *l > l r, or l j, or l w, or l n
*ɬ > θ, s, or ʃ

[Bristel]

Thanks Pogo and Nort