Word lists

zelos · Post by **zelos** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:57 am

Mecislau wrote:
Lyhoko Leaci wrote:I'm not sure I like their list for another reason though: It's enormous, going into way too much detail, it would take way too long to go though it. (Or even find something in it, why is there no table of contents?)
Oh, sorry, I just didn't upload it. It's a separate file.

http://cl.ly/2B3l33272U0D0u1K2v2M

I love that one

Skomakar'n · Post by **Skomakar'n** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:55 am

I just make stuff up, with no real resources. Usually I have many meanings of many words, and often provide synonyms or partial synonyms. I have no homonyms yet, though... I'll get right to it.

Foolster41 · Post by **Foolster41** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:14 am

I use the usbourne "First 1000 words" book, and another book like it. Also the already mentioned vocab build thread here

Imralu · Post by **Imralu** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:43 am

The SIL people have worked very hard at understanding languages. Unfortunately, they suck at the rest. Koalas are marsupials, not bears.

Gray Richardson · Post by **Gray Richardson** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:41 pm

Don't be silly. Of course koala bears are bears. It's in their name. Same as panda bears.

The only mistake I can see is that they misclassified Tasmanian devils as marsupials, when those should have clearly been placed in 4.9.2 with the other supernatural beings.

Corundum · Post by **Corundum** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:08 am

Phylogenetics is an invalid method for ascertaining polysemy. The fact that "herptile" is non-cladistic doesn't prevent it from being monosemous. Nor is the concept "wolf (non-dog caninian)" invalid just because it's a non-cladistic concept. Classifying koalas as bears is perfectly reasonable in linguistics, even if it would be erroneous in biology.

While I let cladograms inform my decisions about the semantic space of words for my conlang, the lexicon does contain non-cladistic concepts, e.g. "ungulate (artiodactyle, perissodactyle, or proboscidean (excl. cetacean))", "fish (actinopterygian, chondrichthye, or coelacanth (excl. electric eel))" and "herptile".

Especially if you don't believe in (macro)evolution, broad superordinate terms, like "mammal", must be grades.

A grade-based concept like "fish" still has an utilitarian value, and is likely to be found in the lexicon of natlangs.

However, it seems that whoever wrote that document really thinks koalas belong to the clade Ursidae, which is obviously wrong.

masako · Post by **masako** » Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:20 am

http://www.catalandictionary.org/wordne ... rdNets.htm

Imralu · Post by **Imralu** » Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:01 pm

Gray Richardson wrote:Don't be silly. Of course koala bears are bears. It's in their name. Same as panda bears.

And water bears:

Imralu · Post by **Imralu** » Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:04 pm

A fairly basic word list. Not bad for beginnings.
http://lingweb.eva.mpg.de/fieldtools/li ... ml#lexicon

TomHChappell · Post by **TomHChappell** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:27 pm

Imralu wrote:A fairly basic word list. Not bad for beginnings.
http://lingweb.eva.mpg.de/fieldtools/li ... ml#lexicon

I agree.
Isn't the 5.2.1 - 5.2.207 part basically the same as the Swadesh list?

masako · Post by **masako** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:30 pm

http://lingomi.com/blog/hsk-lists-2010/ ... m=referral

Word list for sure.

Latinist13 · Post by **Latinist13** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:56 pm

http--www.beckerscarsten.de-downloads-sprache-basic_and_additional_vocabulary.txt.url

^^^
This one was pretty good and had a table of contents... too bad the link no longer works.

Fruithat · Post by **Fruithat** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:55 am

I got the Landau Core Vocabulary quite a while ago. It's not online, but I suppose you could ask Khemehekis for it if you really wanted it. He's registered here, but a search for his posts returns no hits; I guess he hasn't posted in a while.

vec · Post by **vec** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:00 am

Imralu wrote:
Gray Richardson wrote:Don't be silly. Of course koala bears are bears. It's in their name. Same as panda bears.
And water bears:

I prefer their other name, personally. Moss piglets.

Fruithat · Post by **Fruithat** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:23 am

Or tardigrades!

Ollock · Post by **Ollock** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:06 pm

Gray Richardson wrote:Don't be silly. Of course koala bears are bears. It's in their name. Same as panda bears.

Actually, I believe the giant panda is, in fact, a type of bear. It eats more food than most herbivores because its inefficient bear digestive system is more suited to omnivory (really maladapted since its primary food source is, in fact, a kind of grass).

Astraios · Post by **Astraios** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:50 pm

Imralu wrote:And water bears:
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Looks like a brown paper bag with claws.

Corundum · Post by **Corundum** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:01 pm

Xeroderma Pigmentosum wrote:I got the Landau Core Vocabulary quite a while ago. It's not online, but I suppose you could ask Khemehekis for it if you really wanted it. He's registered here, but a search for his posts returns no hits; I guess he hasn't posted in a while.

An earlier version is found here.

Fruithat · Post by **Fruithat** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:22 am

Corundum wrote:
Xeroderma Pigmentosum wrote:I got the Landau Core Vocabulary quite a while ago. It's not online, but I suppose you could ask Khemehekis for it if you really wanted it. He's registered here, but a search for his posts returns no hits; I guess he hasn't posted in a while.
An earlier version is found here.

Only 2,000 words? I'll keep my 3,000+ word version, thank you.

Corundum · Post by **Corundum** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:22 am

Buck list

Foolster41 · Post by **Foolster41** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:53 pm

Like, Soap, I've been using a Japanese-english dictionary as well. "Hippocrene Handy Dictionary", which also has a useful grammer section in the back that I've been using as a sort of guide for writing my grammer as well. I've recently finished the As. I think my language total only has maybe 250-350 words.

TomHChappell · Post by **TomHChappell** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:38 pm

Corundum wrote:Buck list

That's a good one.

Foolster41 · Post by **Foolster41** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:40 am

Corundum: I didn't see that before. Thanks for posting that, it's an awesome site! I've already added my lang, and have done a few translations there.

Corundum · Post by **Corundum** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:48 pm

The 400 Dublex Roots might be of interest. (another link)

Rin · Post by **Rin** » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:23 am

I'm currently working on lemmatizing a frequency list.

Dunno how much use it would be to everyone here, since I'm making it specifically for my current conlang, which is very verby and adjectivy (most of its nouns will come from forms of verbs and adjectives).

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